WVU to Join Big 12 Pending Missouri Move

[BrAinPaiNt]

Don't sleep on BYU Brain. Something is going on there. There are a lot of very subtle reports on BYU and the Big 12. I think it's going to happen and I think the 4th team in that scenario might end up being Louisville.

Not sleeping on them at all...just pointing out that they would make it 11 teams unless someone else joined.

I actually hope they do join because they would be a good addition to both football and basketball.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not sleeping on them at all...just pointing out that they would make it 11 teams unless someone else joined.

I actually hope they do join because they would be a good addition to both football and basketball.

Big 12 will eventually have to be at 12 I think. It's too iffy if they go to 10 because they are in the same situation if they lose a team. You have to have 10 minimum to have a Conference Championship. 11 doesn't really work so 12 kinda gives you breathing room.

I think that it will end up being 12.

 

[MC KAos]

There is an issue with the Big East on this. The Big East is blocking both Pitt and Syracuse from leaving for the ACC. I suspect that the same thing will happen with WV. From what I understand, it is not a trivial amount so I doubt that WV will get approved by the Big 12 for 2012 unless Missouri actually leaves. However, if Missouri does leave, the Big 12 almost has to do this and then I think they probably put up the money on behalf of WV and they come on over.

I actually see this being TCU, BYU and WV, assuming Missouri departs. That would make a lot of sense to me. I don't think I would invite ND unless they bring football. There is not really much advantage otherwise. They might help Basketball but it doesn't really make a lot of sense to me unless they join and bring Basketball with them. IDK.

i think the Big East would be in no place to hold anyone for 27 months if they end up losing 2 more teams to the ACC (most likely rutgers and uconn) and more teams to the big 12 (Cinci, Louisville, ND). Last i heard from the rumor mill was that Mizzou is staying until 2013, and then WV would join. But, if the Big East starts to fall apart, they wont have the power to hold anyone to any sort of agreement outside of the $5million buyout.

You and I agree on a lot, Kos.

But, uh, no...TCU's athletic program is not even close to TAM's. I'm not even sure their football program is, let alone the whole package.

WVU has at least has an argument vs Mizzou. I wish WVU had a partner from that region to come with them.

And both are lower academically.

i agree 100% with you, but this is driven mostly by football, and there is no doubt that TCU has been the better football program the last 10 years between them and A&M. This year A&M might be better, but i think TCU is young and A&M is a more veteran team, and even then if they played i think it would be a close game.

But, outside of football, A&M is a much better Program that TCU. But i wouldnt be surprised to see them make a big jump in baseball and basketball now that they are part of the big 12.

Don't sleep on BYU Brain. Something is going on there. There are a lot of very subtle reports on BYU and the Big 12. I think it's going to happen and I think the 4th team in that scenario might end up being Louisville.

i heard some rumors about the big 12 and BYU just not clicking, something about cultural differences. I think the big 12 is going to continue to expand into the western part of big east territory. I dont see them adding just BYU out west

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Big 12 will eventually have to be at 12 I think. It's too iffy if they go to 10 because they are in the same situation if they lose a team. You have to have 10 minimum to have a Conference Championship. 11 doesn't really work so 12 kinda gives you breathing room.

I think that it will end up being 12.

I thought it had to be a minimum of 12 teams for a conference Championship?

 

[MC KAos]

Big 12 will eventually have to be at 12 I think. It's too iffy if they go to 10 because they are in the same situation if they lose a team. You have to have 10 minimum to have a Conference Championship. 11 doesn't really work so 12 kinda gives you breathing room.

I think that it will end up being 12.

me too, ive heard some want to go to 16 (prob the iowa state's and kansas' of the world) but it will prob end up at 12. I just dont think it will be at 12 before 2015 or so.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

i heard some rumors about the big 12 and BYU just not clicking, something about cultural differences. I think the big 12 is going to continue to expand into the western part of big east territory. I dont see them adding just BYU out west

I heard that at one time as well. Talk about the not playing on Sundays and some other things.

However I have also heard that after a time of not talking, the talks started back up. Don't know if there is any truth to that or not.

 

[MC KAos]

I heard that at one time as well. Talk about the not playing on Sundays and some other things.

However I have also heard that after a time of not talking, the talks started back up. Don't know if there is any truth to that or not.

if they are the only team west of texas tech to join, my guess is that they would be the football only member if ND were to join for everything else. I wish it was Boise though

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

i heard some rumors about the big 12 and BYU just not clicking, something about cultural differences. I think the big 12 is going to continue to expand into the western part of big east territory. I dont see them adding just BYU out west

This is not at all what I have heard out of Provo. I have heard that it's a done deal but that some of the financial details, depending on how many teams come into the Big 12 and when need to be confirmed. I haven't heard any talk of cultural differences at all. Where did you hear that?

 

[YosemiteSam]

My preferred situation would be accept WVU, keep Missouri, and land ND. That would fill out the Big 12.

No need to add Cincy, BYU, or anyone else.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I thought it had to be a minimum of 12 teams for a conference Championship?

You may be correct BP but if that's the case, all the more reason you need to get to 12 IMO.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

My preferred situation would be accept WVU, keep Missouri, and land ND. That would fill out the Big 12.

No need to add Cincy, BYU, or anyone else.

You can only add ND if they choose to bring their Football Program with them. If they only want to bring all else, it won't work.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

God for them, theyve played their way into a stable situation. As a Rutgers fan I cant cry if they get left out in the cold, theyve never won their conference and have never beaten WVU.

NYC has more Rutgers fans than ND, PSU, and UCONN combined, so if they can steal the weak *** conference this year they can make their case. With the NY market and top notch academic rating.

 

[The30YardSlant]

they say now that they are coming no matter what happens with MIZZOU. I like this! i hope we get either cincy or louisville for all sports, boise for football only, and ND for non FB sports! that would make the big 12 easily the second best football conference in the nation! im so glad the big 12 stayed together and we have our own conference here in the texas/oklahoma/middle of the country area!

West Virginia>Mizzou
TCU>A&M

Big 12 going forward>the past!

This is laughable at best. Missouri and A&M bring TV markets, fanbases and history that WVU and especially TCU simply do not. The Big XII already has any markets TCU would bring, and less than 50 people actually own TVs in West Virginia. Also, A&M is a top 10 all-around athletic program and Mizzu is top 20. Very narrow-minded and shortsighted thinking here.

Bringing in WVU for Mizzu exchanges a great TV market with a poor one and increases travel costs for both them and the Big XII schools.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Why exactly does the SEC even want Missouri? There is better low hanging fruit out there. Do they just want another team in-conference to kick around?

Missouri TV market (especially St. Louis), academic reputation, strong all around athletic program (Missouri is competative in all three major sports) and a very solid fanbase.

 

[The30YardSlant]

My preferred situation would be accept WVU, keep Missouri, and land ND. That would fill out the Big 12.

No need to add Cincy, BYU, or anyone else.

There is literally zero chance that Notre Dame ever joins the Big XII. They have been turning down advances from the Big 10 for decades, and they would never agree to taking a backseat in a conference that is now owned by Deloss Dodds and Texas. It would be incredibly stupid from every standpoint financially, competatively and exposure wise.

 

[YosemiteSam]

There is literally zero chance that Notre Dame ever joins the Big XII. They have been turning down advances from the Big 10 for decades, and they would never agree to taking a backseat in a conference that is now owned by Deloss Dodds and Texas. It would be incredibly stupid from every standpoint financially, competatively and exposure wise.

You are aware that there have already been discussions right?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You are aware that there have already been discussions right?

You have read his post before, right? :laugh2:

 

[YosemiteSam]

You have read his post before, right? :laugh2:

Touché :laugh2:

 

[MC KAos]

This is laughable at best. Missouri and A&M bring TV markets, fanbases and history that WVU and especially TCU simply do not. The Big XII already has any markets TCU would bring, and less than 50 people actually own TVs in West Virginia. Also, A&M is a top 10 all-around athletic program and Mizzu is top 20. Very narrow-minded and shortsighted thinking here.

Bringing in WVU for Mizzu exchanges a great TV market with a poor one and increases travel costs for both them and the Big XII schools.

take your aggie goggles off, as i stated earlier its purely based on football. there is absolutely no question that TCU and West Virginia combined are much better football programs at this time than A&M and Mizzou. they have 4 BCS apperances, Mizzou and A&M have 1. TCU has 1 national championship, just like A&M, and they happened one year apart, before world war 2, i doubt anyone even remembers seeing that team play.

get over it, a&m doesnt bring any markets the big 12 doesnt already have, TCU replaced a&m because they are a really good football program, which is obviously why all this is happening anyway, it has nothing to do with history or fanbases.

and this St. Louis market you speak of, its so massive right! the tv market represents 1.2 million viewers! Colombia is 50 miles further away from st louis than pittsburg is from morgantown. so by your logic, people in Pittsburg must care about West Virginia football! Pittsburg is only 3 spots down from St. Louis in terms of tv market (21st and 24rd) and less than 100k household difference!

Missouri TV market (especially St. Louis), academic reputation, strong all around athletic program (Missouri is competative in all three major sports) and a very solid fanbase.

There is literally zero chance that Notre Dame ever joins the Big XII. They have been turning down advances from the Big 10 for decades, and they would never agree to taking a backseat in a conference that is now owned by Deloss Dodds and Texas. It would be incredibly stupid from every standpoint financially, competatively and exposure wise.

in conclusion, you are just butt hurt because your aggies arent as important as you think they are, they were easily replaced in terms of football, they didnt bring anything to the big 12 that texas didnt already bring, and you are upset that the conference didnt fall apart because the aggies left! enjoy competing for 5th place in the SEC west with mizzou and ole miss, you should be used to finishing 5th in a division!

 

[The30YardSlant]

You are aware that there have already been discussions right?

I don't care what Chip Brown or that dolt Geoff Ketchum are spewing on Austin radio, I'll eat my own foot if Notre Dame ever joins the Big 12-2-1+1-1+1. It takes a lot of arrogance to believe Notre Dame would consider joining this conference.