WVU to Join Big 12 Pending Missouri Move

[BrAinPaiNt]

I don't care what Chip Brown or that dolt Geoff Ketchum are spewing on Austin radio, I'll eat my own foot if Notre Dame ever joins the Big 12-2-1+1-1+1. It takes a lot of arrogance to believe Notre Dame would consider joining this conference.

The only arrogance here is yours.

Notre Dame wants to join another Conference in everything but Football.

They were happy with the arrangement in the Big East but now with the Big East becoming a sinking ship it is only logical that they look to other conferences to see if they can join in all sports except football.

 

[The30YardSlant]

take your aggie goggles off, as i stated earlier its purely based on football. there is absolutely no question that TCU and West Virginia combined are much better football programs at this time than A&M and Mizzou. they have 4 BCS apperances, Mizzou and A&M have 1. TCU has 1 national championship, just like A&M, and they happened one year apart, before world war 2, i doubt anyone even remembers seeing that team play.

get over it, a&m doesnt bring any markets the big 12 doesnt already have, TCU replaced a&m because they are a really good football program, which is obviously why all this is happening anyway, it has nothing to do with history or fanbases.

and this St. Louis market you speak of, its so massive right! the tv market represents 1.2 million viewers! Colombia is 50 miles further away from st louis than pittsburg is from morgantown. so by your logic, people in Pittsburg must care about West Virginia football! Pittsburg is only 3 spots down from St. Louis in terms of tv market (21st and 24rd) and less than 100k household difference!







in conclusion, you are just butt hurt because your aggies arent as important as you think they are, they were easily replaced in terms of football, they didnt bring anything to the big 12 that texas didnt already bring, and you are upset that the conference didnt fall apart because the aggies left! enjoy competing for 5th place in the SEC west with mizzou and ole miss, you should be used to finishing 5th in a division!

I really couldnt care less how "important" other people think A&M is. The second the LHN came to fruition I knew exactly how our move would be portrayed in the sports media, there's no point in getting upset about it. We'll be making more money, guranteed to be on TV every single week whether we're playing an FCS team or LSU, playing in higher profile games in the highest profile conference in America and, best of all, we'll no longer be in a conference driven by one program's blind ambition. Deloss Dodds says "jump" and the rest of the programs ask "How high?". I want no part of any of that.

As for the TV markets, the St. Louis market is dominated by Mizzou fans. Missouri football games draw similar ratings to Rams games there. Pittsburgh hastheir own major college football program and couldnt care less about West Virginia. The distance has little to do with anything in this case. If you think you're getting the Pittsburgh TV market because WVU is coming you need to stop listening to whoever is feeding you information, because it simply isnt true.

The only really interesting aspect of this move will be seeing what happens when Tech and WVU play. Those two fanbases are perfect for each other, and by perfect I mean someone is going to die.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I don't care what Chip Brown or that dolt Geoff Ketchum are spewing on Austin radio, I'll eat my own foot if Notre Dame ever joins the Big 12-2-1+1-1+1. It takes a lot of arrogance to believe Notre Dame would consider joining this conference.

Someone should bookmark this post. ND is getting to the point they are going to have no choice but join a conference in football. If they want their football revenues to go up, they will have too. They definitely aren't lighting up the ratings anymore.

 

[The30YardSlant]

The only arrogance here is yours.

Notre Dame wants to join another Conference in everything but Football.

They were happy with the arrangement in the Big East but now with the Big East becoming a sinking ship it is only logical that they look to other conferences to see if they can join in all sports except football.

Notre Dame has already been in a conference in everything but football for 16 years, this means nothing. The media here in Texas is trying to make it sound like the Big XII has a chance of landing ND IN FOOTBALL, which is absurd. As it currently stands ND's exclusive TV contract with NBC is voided if they join a conference in football, which is why they keep refusing to join the Big 10. They have repeatedly stated they love the scheduling freedom and exposure that they currently have. Why would they give up their TV contract to come play second fiddle to Texas in a conference that has teams bailing so fast it has to scramble to find replacements?

If baffles me how Big XII fans, especially Texas fans, can keep denying that they are running teams off. Nebraska, A&M, Colorado and Mizzu have all publically stated unhappiness with UT as a major reason for leaving. After enough failed marriages maybe it's time to start considering that the problem isnt all the others leaving, its you. Notre Dame isnt going to mess with that.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

As for the TV markets, the St. Louis market is dominated by Mizzou fans. Missouri football games draw similar ratings to Rams games there. Pittsburgh hastheir own major college football program and couldnt care less about West Virginia. The distance has little to do with anything in this case. If you think you're getting the Pittsburgh TV market because WVU is coming you need to stop listening to whoever is feeding you information, because it simply isnt true.

You really should not talk about things your really have no clue about...Seriously.

About the only time Pittsburgh sells out home games is when WVU plays there.

There are a great deal of WVU fans that live in the Pittsburgh and PA area.

Again...you really don't know what you are talking about here.

Keep an eye on the upcoming Pitt Panthers game and see how many WVU fans are at the stadium...They can go there to have fun and since some of the tickets are being sold for under $2.00 it is a cheap way for entertainment...yes that is right under $2 because Pittsburgh Panthers sell so well.:laugh2:

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Notre Dame has already been in a conference in everything but football for 16 years, this means nothing. The media here in Texas is trying to make it sound like the Big XII has a chance of landing ND IN FOOTBALL, which is absurd. As it currently stands ND's exclusive TV contract with NBC is voided if they join a conference in football, which is why they keep refusing to join the Big 10. They have repeatedly stated they love the scheduling freedom and exposure that they currently have. Why would they give up their TV contract to come play second fiddle to Texas in a conference that has teams bailing so fast it has to scramble to find replacements?

If baffles me how Big XII fans, especially Texas fans, can keep denying that they are running teams off. Nebraska, A&M, Colorado and Mizzu have all publically stated unhappiness with UT as a major reason for leaving. After enough failed marriages maybe it's time to start considering that the problem isnt all the others leaving, its you. Notre Dame isnt going to mess with that.

As I said....Every sport except Football. I don't know how much clearer I can be about that.

Geez...maybe some of the stuff they say about ATM fans are true.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Someone should bookmark this post. ND is getting to the point they are going to have no choice but join a conference in football. If they want their football revenues to go up, they will have too. They definitely aren't lighting up the ratings anymore.

Please, they still have the largest national following of any college football team. Notre Dame receives more private athletic donations than any program in the country and Irish football games on NBC draw the second highest ratings behind primetime ABC games. I think they'll be fine without feeding off the Big XII.

 

[The30YardSlant]

You really should not talk about things your really have no clue about...Seriously.

About the only time Pittsburgh sells out home games is when WVU plays there.

There are a great deal of WVU fans that live in the Pittsburgh and PA area.

Again...you really don't know what you are talking about here.

Keep an eye on the upcoming Pitt Panthers game and see how many WVU fans are at the stadium...They can go there to have fun and since some of the tickets are being sold for under $2.00 it is a cheap way for entertainment...yes that is right under $2 because Pittsburgh Panthers sell so well.:laugh2:

Pittsburgh averaged only 3,000 less fans per game than WVU despite there being literally nothing else to do in Morgantown, and West Virginia averages 5,000 below capacity and have averaged 1-2 sellouts per year over the last decade. If the Mountaineers played in a 75,000 seat NFL Stadium it would look just as empty.

 

[The30YardSlant]

As I said....Every sport except Football. I don't know how much clearer I can be about that.

Geez...maybe some of the stuff they say about ATM fans are true.

The point is that everyone else in this thread and the media are suggesting football as well.

 

[Rogah]

Someone should bookmark this post. ND is getting to the point they are going to have no choice but join a conference in football. If they want their football revenues to go up, they will have too. They definitely aren't lighting up the ratings anymore.

How is joining a conference going to increase their revenue? Their ratings may be bad, but they are still making tons from their NBC contract, which they don't have to share with anyone. (Just imagine how much they'd make if they ever managed to have that "return to glory" we've been hearing about for 15 years now).

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Pittsburgh averaged only 3,000 less fans per game than WVU despite there being literally nothing else to do in Morgantown, and West Virginia averages 5,000 below capacity and have averaged 1-2 sellouts per year over the last decade. If the Mountaineers played in a 75,000 seat NFL Stadium it would look just as empty.

I will just tell you from someone who actually lives in WV, Who follows the Mountaineers and has been following the Big East for years, who has family in Pa....WVU does go into the pittsburgh TV market because there are huge number of WVU fans that live and or work in Pittsburgh and the surrounding areas.

You can wish to deny it, but it is a fact. I don't pretend to know all the dynamics about ATM and act like I have lived in the area or followed the team and Big XII for years. But it however seems that you seem to think you know more than those that have followed WVU, Big East and people who live or have relatives that live in WV and PA. That is the height of arrogance.

It is amazing the number of times you really make yourself look foolish.

But I guess I am part fool for attempting to argue with you over matters because it is like trying to clap with one hand.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Please, they still have the largest national following of any college football team.

Umm. Dude. This is no longer true...and really my point.

 

[YosemiteSam]

How is joining a conference going to increase their revenue? Their ratings may be bad, but they are still making tons from their NBC contract, which they don't have to share with anyone. (Just imagine how much they'd make if they ever managed to have that "return to glory" we've been hearing about for 15 years now).

The same way it will raise revenue for all teams in a conference that has it's own broadcasting network.

Notre Dames ratings have been falling since 2003 and they continue to fall. It is that contract with NBC that will present Notre Dame's problem. I SERIOUSLY doubt NBC renews that contract after 2015.

Businessweek: Notre Dame, the Fleecing Irish

But what Notre Dame does have, unlike every other football program in the nation, is a $15 million-per-year sweetheart deal with NBCUniversal to broadcast its home games nationwide. Never mind that the recent ratings for Notre Dame’s games suggest that NBC, which was acquired by Comcast (CMCSA) from General Electric (GE) earlier this year, may want to re-think the deal when it expires in 2015. Take, for example, the much-hyped Saturday evening game between Notre Dame and Army at Yankee Stadium on Nov. 20, 2010. In 1913, Notre Dame’s away victory over Army, then a national powerhouse, put the upstart Catholic university on the map (and demonstrated the effectiveness of the new forward pass). Last season’s rematch didn’t even muster a 1.0 Nielsen (NLSN) rating among 18- to 49-year-old viewers. While only 3.48 million viewers watched the game, 5.38 million tuned in to ABC’s (DIS) college football coverage (three different games by region). Meanwhile, repeats of CBS’s NCIS: Los Angeles and Criminal Minds beat out both football options.

Such a game in Yankee stadium and couldn't even muster a 1.0 Nielsen rating? Maybe ESPN3 will pick them up after 2015 to stream games over the Internet.

 

[Rogah]

The same way it will raise revenue for all teams in a conference that has it's own broadcasting network. (like the Big 12)

Notre Dames ratings have been falling since 2003 and they continue to fall. It is that contract with NBC that will present Notre Dame's problem. I SERIOUSLY doubt NBC renews that contract after 2015.

People have been saying that for 10 years now. Despite Notre Dame's decade-plus of mediocrity, they renewed the contract within the past year, so it sure seems that both Notre Dame and NBC are happy with the relationship. There is simply no evidence to suggest NBC wants out.

 

[YosemiteSam]

People have been saying that for 10 years now. Despite Notre Dame's decade-plus of mediocrity, they renewed the contract within the past year, so it sure seems that both Notre Dame and NBC are happy with the relationship. There is simply no evidence to suggest NBC wants out.

No, they renewed it in 2009. It ends in 2015 and (especially with Comcast now running the show at NBC), a renewal ain't happening and whoever does (if), it damn sure won't be fore $15M a year like this one.

Not many people follow Notre Dame anymore. As I said, they've been dying (ratings wise) since 2003. It's gotten worse every year. Now they can't even muster a 1.0 rating!

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Big 12 will eventually have to be at 12 I think. It's too iffy if they go to 10 because they are in the same situation if they lose a team. You have to have 10 minimum to have a Conference Championship. 11 doesn't really work so 12 kinda gives you breathing room.

I think that it will end up being 12.

You need 12 to have a championship game in football

 

[Cythim]

take your aggie goggles off, as i stated earlier its purely based on football. there is absolutely no question that TCU and West Virginia combined are much better football programs at this time than A&M and Mizzou. they have 4 BCS apperances, Mizzou and A&M have 1. TCU has 1 national championship, just like A&M, and they happened one year apart, before world war 2, i doubt anyone even remembers seeing that team play.

get over it, a&m doesnt bring any markets the big 12 doesnt already have, TCU replaced a&m because they are a really good football program, which is obviously why all this is happening anyway, it has nothing to do with history or fanbases.

The Mountaineers were good under Rich Rodriguez but have cranked out 9-4 seasons since then while playing in a very weak Big East. While WVU is losing to UCONN and Syracuse Missouri is losing to Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas. The comparison does not fit, WVU is not a better football program than Missouri. They were hot for a little while under Rodriguez, but he moved on and the program is back where it normally is. The fact that the SEC would take Missouri over WVU solidifies my argument.

Comparing TCU is TAMU is laughable as well. They have put some very good football teams on the field in the last three years but they fail at being consistant. They have already lost to Baylor and SMU this season, two teams TAMU was able to beat handily. TCU wins on recent history, but TAMU wins over the long run (25 game win streak against TCU) and appears to be reclaiming their spot as the second best football program in Texas.



The Big 12 needs to hit the go button and invite WVU and Louisville without worrying about Missouri. Commit to a conference of 11/12 teams in 2012 (or 2013/14 if the Big East has their way). The SEC already said they are sticking with 13 teams for 2012 so Missouri might have put themselves in a position where no one wants them next year.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I will just tell you from someone who actually lives in WV, Who follows the Mountaineers and has been following the Big East for years, who has family in Pa....WVU does go into the pittsburgh TV market because there are huge number of WVU fans that live and or work in Pittsburgh and the surrounding areas.

You can wish to deny it, but it is a fact. I don't pretend to know all the dynamics about ATM and act like I have lived in the area or followed the team and Big XII for years. But it however seems that you seem to think you know more than those that have followed WVU, Big East and people who live or have relatives that live in WV and PA. That is the height of arrogance.

It is amazing the number of times you really make yourself look foolish.

But I guess I am part fool for attempting to argue with you over matters because it is like trying to clap with one hand.

Nothing like resorting to personal insults

Nothing arrogant about posting numbers and facts. You made a big deal about Pitt's attendence as if it somehow supported your point.

 

[The30YardSlant]

The Mountaineers were good under Rich Rodriguez but have cranked out 9-4 seasons since then while playing in a very weak Big East. While WVU is losing to UCONN and Syracuse Missouri is losing to Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas. The comparison does not fit, WVU is not a better football program than Missouri. They were hot for a little while under Rodriguez, but he moved on and the program is back where it normally is. The fact that the SEC would take Missouri over WVU solidifies my argument.

Comparing TCU is TAMU is laughable as well. They have put some very good football teams on the field in the last three years but they fail at being consistant. They have already lost to Baylor and SMU this season, two teams TAMU was able to beat handily. TCU wins on recent history, but TAMU wins over the long run (25 game win streak against TCU) and appears to be reclaiming their spot as the second best football program in Texas.



The Big 12 needs to hit the go button and invite WVU and Louisville without worrying about Missouri. Commit to a conference of 11/12 teams in 2012 (or 2013/14 if the Big East has their way). The SEC already said they are sticking with 13 teams for 2012 so Missouri might have put themselves in a position where no one wants them next year.

The most laughable thing is the Big XII acting like losing the sixth largest fanbase in America is no big deal. Good luck getting the same support for WVU and TCU guys.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The most laughable thing is the Big XII acting like losing the sixth largest fanbase in America is no big deal. Good luck getting the same support for WVU and TCU guys.

Sixth largest huh? I'm betting there are a lot of schools out there that would question that. Say, Alabama, Texas, LSU, Florida, UCLA, USC, Pittsburgh, Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Penn State, Wisconsin, and even Notre Dame and I've been arguing against them.