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Double Trouble;2626121 said:There's a new TO worshipper in town, evidently.
Modern day version of "pod people." I wonder where they grow them.
Double Trouble;2626121 said:There's a new TO worshipper in town, evidently.
Wow, I thought Ed just made it all up, or so some zoners would have us believe. I guess Jerry thinks Ed made it all up to, as if he's believeable!dcfanatic;2626078 said:Jones is hopeful he can manage the situation with Owens and repair the troubled relationship the wide receiver has with numerous teammates, including quarterback Tony Romo.
Sources say that among the issues players are having with Owens is his refusal to talk to other players on offense and acknowledge them in the huddle, in the locker room or at other team functions.
Jerry says he is not buying the locker room problems
Royal Laegotti;2626369 said:Wow, I thought Ed just made it all up, or so some zoners would have us believe. I guess Jerry thinks Ed made it all up to, as if he's believeable!
SLATEmosphere;2626313 said:Tonys not tired of TO?? okay I highly doubt that. I'd be glad to have that constant chirping in my ear "Cmon man I'm open..you didnt see me? I'm wide open, give me the ball"..not to mention all the negatives he brings to my huddle and team. Witten I'm sure feels the same way. They both just play it off in interviews but I know they can't stand the guy.
SultanOfSix;2626385 said:Yes, because those "sources" are rock solid. So solid, that they can't be named.
Royal Laegotti;2626389 said:Did they ever find the "sources" in San Fran and Philly? Just curious because that could've been a fairy tale also orchestrated by the anti T.O. media.
DuaneThomas71;2626402 said:Sources for what? There weren't anonymous reports when he played for those teams, FYI.
Terrell Owens himself was the source for all of that stuff.
Wait, I take it back...the Hugh Douglas incident sort of qualifies, I guess. And notice with that story, we still don't really know exactly what happened. We know that Douglas came in and accused him of faking injuries and we know that they got into some sort of scuffle. Some reports claim Owens body slammed Douglas through a table and beat him senseless, while others say no punches were landed and they were broken up before anything really happened.
That should give you an idea of how reliable anonymous "sources" are. The sources can very well be real, but when they're not named, there are two possibilities:
1. The person doesn't want it to be known that he/she is the source
or
2. The person who is the source is considered damaging to the author's credibility if cited.
The existence of anonymous sources says nothing about the credibility or RELIABILITY of these sources. Mike Florio of PFT can be a source, but as we all know, most of what he writes on his website that isn't lifted from somewhere else he literally made up out of thin air.
Then there's the phenomenon of a "rumor." Rumors tend to get to the point where only a thin layer of truth is even present in whatever the source is saying.
Royal Laegotti;2626389 said:Did they ever find the "sources" in San Fran and Philly? Just curious because that could've been a fairy tale also orchestrated by the anti T.O. media.
SultanOfSix;2626410 said:I don't know. Can you name them? Can you tell me what they said?
Royal Laegotti;2626409 said:My point is that I'm supposed to believe Ed Werder made this stuff up about the turmoil Owens is causing in Dallas, given Owens background in San Fran and Philly. BTW I'll take #1!
If blOwens is still here next season all this stuff will come to a head and boil over into the media even more when they start losing next year. There won't be any doubt then!
DuaneThomas71;2626417 said:You don't plan around failure.
Royal Laegotti;2626414 said:Well maybe those two teams just got rid of him for no good reason? Huh?
I believe I asked you first!SultanOfSix;2626427 said:I don't know. I'm asking you about the sources who reported the information. Who were they?
Not necessarily! So I guess Watergate and "Deepthroat" were all made up? Anonymous sources happen all the time. If a reporter revealed them they get their information flow cutoff and the reputation of both are compromised, it's quite a simple game!SultanOfSix;2626427 said:A team getting rid of a player can be for a variety of different reasons. Logic doesn't dictate that he's performing the same actions - which haven't been substantiated by anyone - at the current place he is employed at. It may be easier to question his credibility, because of past actions, and that is what a media author relies on in order to slowly enforce his bias/agenda.
But in such a case, if the media just quotes anonymous sources, they are being dishonest, because it should be so much easier to prove something against someone whose supposedly done these things before with some actual evidence. Of course, it's also easy to just say "Hey, look at his past history", one primarily determined by these same lackadaisical media sources, who quote anonymous sources, and hope that people don't think and merely accept this slow and methodical brainwashing.
41gy#;2626423 said:Man, Jerry Jones has gone A-wall. He's losing it.
First, he gives Owens (his pet) all that money, and that made him real bold. That was a stupid mistake. Plus, you don't give a 35 year old WR that much money to begin with. Owens' play dropped off the table in 2008. 65.8 YPG says it all. Teams don't fear him, anymore. The better corners easily handled him.
Second, he goes in the lockerroom and chews out the team after the Rams game. "Sure thing, coach".
Third, he said that "he likes all that stuff" when talking about Ed Werder's story. He can't be that stupid. I couldn't believe he made that statement.
Fourth, he calls out Marion Barber for not playing in Pittsburgh. He made himself look like a fool.
Fifth, he chases Dan Reeves out of Valley Ranch. He made himself look really bad with that great backflip.
Sixth, he is listening to all of Owens' friends or the WRs or some defensive players (those are the guys that like Owens) who are probably getting worried about "Little T" getting the boot. Again, players going over Phillips and Garrett and running to grandpa Jerry or Coach Jones.
Stephen can't take over fast enough. There might not be anything left when his dad is done.
I bet you anything that Jason Garrett wants him out of there ASAP. His career can't take forcing 17 passes or throwing 9.0 passes per game to a guy who can't get open.
Royal Laegotti;2626439 said:I believe I asked you first!
Not necessarily! So I guess Watergate and "Deepthroat" were all made up? Anonymous sources happen all the time. If a reporter revealed them they get their information flow cutoff and the reputation of both are compromised, it's quite a simple game!
41gy#;2626423 said:Man, Jerry Jones has gone A-wall. He's losing it.
First, he gives Owens (his pet) all that money, and that made him real bold. That was a stupid mistake. Plus, you don't give a 35 year old WR that much money to begin with. Owens' play dropped off the table in 2008. 65.8 YPG says it all. Teams don't fear him, anymore. The better corners easily handled him.
Second, he goes in the lockerroom and chews out the team after the Rams game. "Sure thing, coach".
Third, he said that "he likes all that stuff" when talking about Ed Werder's story. He can't be that stupid. I couldn't believe he made that statement.
Fourth, he calls out Marion Barber for not playing in Pittsburgh. He made himself look like a fool.
Fifth, he chases Dan Reeves out of Valley Ranch. He made himself look really bad with that great backflip.
Sixth, he is listening to all of Owens' friends or the WRs or some defensive players (those are the guys that like Owens) who are probably getting worried about "Little T" getting the boot. Again, players going over Phillips and Garrett and running to grandpa Jerry or Coach Jones.
Stephen can't take over fast enough. There might not be anything left when his dad is done.
I bet you anything that Jason Garrett wants him out of there ASAP. His career can't take forcing 17 passes or throwing 9.0 passes per game to a guy who can't get open.
41gy#;2626423 said:Originally Posted by 41gy#
Terrell Owens is pushing 36, and his YPA has declined 3 of the last 4 seasons, and it just hit a 4 year low and a big dropoff. His numbers (65.8 YPG) reflect it. He can't get off the line on a consistent basis. Most importantly, he didn't beat bracket coverage, after the Packers and Commanders shut him down, like he did in 2007. The 49ers didn't get the memo. Owens is on the down side, and if the Titans can move the ball up and down the field on Baltimore and Pittsburgh with the great Justin Gage as the #1, then the Cowboys can take Roy Williams and throw him 140-150 balls.
If you throw Owens 140-150 balls next year when he can't beat the top corners, you will be out of the playoffs again. Owens' 2.0 YPA against 'red' corners (on an 8 game sample or half Joyner's returns in) is worse than Patrick Crayton's 2.8 YPA in 2007.
When you go from 9.4 YPA against 'red' corners to 2.0 YPA, even in an 8 game sample, you have to look at the player. That can't be all Jason Garrett's fault like Terrell Owens believes and claims in public.
New:
In 2006, Roy Williams put up number 1 WR numbers according to K.C. Joyner. He had 152 balls directed at him, and he finished with 1,363 yards. Williams' YPA was 9.0, and he put up a 7.6 YPA against the "red" corners. Importantly, Williams had 9.5 attempts per game in that 2006 season, a Pro Bowl season. Why is this important?
In 2007, Owens' huge season in Jason Garrett's passing game and play calling, Owens had 9.3 attempts directed at him in 2007, a year he played like a number 1 WR. Owens and Williams got just about the same amount of passes directed at them in their respective seasons.
However, in 2008, Owens had 8.9 passes directed at him, and he didn't come close to playing like a # 1 WR. (see above)
Now, with Phillips vowing to run the ball more, can you afford to give Terrell Owens # 1 WR attempts or opportunities? If you give Williams his 9 attempts per game and Owens his 8-9 attempts a game, Jason Witten's passes or opportunites will suffer. Plus, players like Bennett and Felix Jones lose touches. Witten is an All-Pro tightend. Williams is 27, and he showed he could be a number one guy in 2006. Owens is pushing 36 and is on the downside of his career.
The decline in Owens' play says that he shouldn't be the center of the offense. Do you honestly think he will settle for 4 or 5 chances per game?
No way. He thinks it should all revolve around him.
Go ahead. Throw him 140-150 passes next year and see how many games you win.
DuaneThomas71;2626388 said:You know?
No you don't. You don't know anything of the sort.
Every quarterback has receivers chirping in their ear about how they were open. That's football. I played quarterback in high school and every single one of my receivers told me they were open numerous times. Every freak'n one. We used to joke around about it, too, just like Romo and Owens apparently do.
I guarantee you Jason Witten chirps in Tony's ear about being open, also. Part of playing the game is giving other players feedback.
The only way Tony would want T.O. gone is if T.O. is being absolutely MALICIOUS behind the scenes, and we can all be pretty certain he's not.
In a round about way. Check post #65.SultanOfSix;2626447 said:You asked me who these anonymous sources were first?
My point was simple. You said "if the media is only reporting anonymous sources they are being dishonest."(paraphrased, forgive me) I used Watergate as a example to show that your assesment was not accurate. But the great thing about all this is I can believe T.O.'s up to his old tricks again, now under a more media savy owner who "loves this stuff around here", which to me is another clue of T.O.'s guilt of this repetitive stupidity! And you can believe Ed's a fictional story teller and that T.O.'s a great teammate and a stable minded fellow and that everything in Cowboy/Jerryland is headed toward #6 next season! I only wish I could be as positive as you, but I'm much too realistic.SultanOfSix;2626447 said:This is a played out argument. Laws were broken in the case of "Deepthroat", and national security was affected. People in high places were breaking the law, and the source(s) feared for their safety. In addition to this, the authors, Woodward and Bernstein actually verified "Deepthroat's" information before publishing anything. In other words, they independently checked their source in order to determine his credibility. An action, rarely, if ever, performed by the public when the media simply quotes anonymous sources, because, well it can't be done.