Yahoo: Jerry talking to players about T.O. - 2/6/09

[Arch Stanton]

must be Jordan...........

Can't be. You're not allowed multiple accounts.

 

[Arch Stanton]

My point is that I'm supposed to believe Ed Werder made this stuff up about the turmoil Owens is causing in Dallas, given Owens background in San Fran and Philly. BTW I'll take #1!

If blOwens is still here next season all this stuff will come to a head and boil over into the media even more when they start losing next year. There won't be any doubt then!

There is no doubt NOW. Three's a charm? Some folks have just bought rose colored TO glasses.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

There is no doubt NOW. Three's a charm? Some folks have just bought rose colored TO glasses.

Not to mention how many times did we see him blow up on somebody on the sidelines this year, just like he did in both those other places. But hey, I guess it's Ed's fault for bringing it up.

 

[28 Joker]

And once again


2008

• TO - 69 for 1052, 10 TDs, 15.2 YPC (3 Tds over 52 yds)
• Randy Moss - 69 for 1006, 11 TDs, 14.6YPC
• R Wayne - 82 for 1145, 6 TDs, 14.0YPC (No games w/ B Johnson)
• S Moss - 79 for 1044, 6TDs, 13.2YPC
• Brandon Marshall - 104 for 1265, 6TDs, 12.2 YPC (1 game sup, nO games w/ B Johnson)

Only Megatron, L Fitz and Boldin and Moss had more TDs this year (and none played with B Johnson for 3 games)

Taking away the B Johnson games, TO goes 57 for 952 and 9 TDS for 13 games. Assuming those 3 games Romo would have been QB, the projected stats would be 70 catches for 1172yds and 11 TDs and a 16.7YPC.

Of the 1000yd receivers, only Megatron, S Smith and V Jackson would have a better YPC.

In 2007, Owens had a YPC of, guess what,....16.7YPC. He also had no TDs longer than 52yds in 2007 (3 in 2008).
Your arguement is based on a half-finished Vela Analysis:




FACT = Tony ROMO throws INT to Pitt Safety while targeting Jason Witten in 4th quarter
FACT = Tony ROMO throws INT to Ed Reed twice and says "good as a punt"
FACT = Defense gives up 2 70+ yd runs to pedestrian RBs in crunch time
FACT = Tony ROMO throws INT to Chris Horton while targeting Jason Witten in 4th quarter

41gy#'s "FACT" : TO is in massive decline he has a 2.0YPA vs "red corners" (excluding half of the games ) - Yeah, excluding half of the states in the 2008 presidential election, McCain won 23 of 25 states or 92%)

41gy#'s "FACT" :He Has declining YPA #'s for 3 of 4 years. (ommitting that yr1 and yr3 were stratospheric and yr2 was still over 8.0 - 7.0 is average). No one wants to account for the B Johnson experiment either in 2008.


Ok. If you think specious "WIP FACTS" are the same as "Romo throws INT at GB 14yd line", not much I can say to convince you. RW11 also may have showed he can be a #1 in 2006, but not 2007 and 2008. You can spin anything to satisfy your original thesis, doesn't mean it can't be blown out of the water

I really dont care if TO goes or not, but the team will likely not put up near the offense


Go watch some anatomy of a play videos at nfl.com and watch the double and triple teams. Look at Austins post route vs GB and look who drew the safety and LB away from Austin. The difference this year is that Romo stopped making teams pay after GB.

Watch the difference in Wash #1 vs Wash #2. (Barber 8 rushes for 26, Felix 0 - 0 in First game, Barber ran what routes in second game - sweeps) Even Reeves alluded that TO was good for the running game.

And "can't beat top corners" is funny. Name one person who played him man up. Clements, S Brown, Shepperd, Slant vs Cincy didn't seem to go to well when it happened.

His play will fall off, but he didn't 'hit the wall this year'. I have every game and rewatched all of them mx times

I gave Owens credit for his 2007 season and used it against him. It isn't hard to do. Go look at Rafael Vela's in depth analysis of this subject. Vela wrote about how Owens' YPA (2008) against some of the better corners was below Patrick Crayton's 2007 number in an 8 game sample. When there is that big of a drop, you better look at the player and not the offensive coordinator.

Owens put up a 2.0 YPA against Joyner's 'red' corners in 2008 (*8 game sample). I don't think those numbers are going to get much better with half the "election returns" in . The guy pretty much was a non-factor in too many games. Owens would be getting ready to make that consession phone call. Vela knows this too, and that is probably why he went with it. He watched the games and knows the 49ers gave him a career day by letting him get cranked up and not jamming him.

In 2007, Owens was at 9.3 YPA against Joyner's 'red' corners. His 2008 65.8 YPA reflects that significant dip in his YPA against those better cornerbacks. Owens' YPA has declined 3 out of the last four years. There is a good chance it will never reach the 8.0 or 9.0 level again if he can't get off the jam.

I didn't say he had bad years, I said his YPA declined. Owens is on the downside of his career. His 2007 season, under Garrett, is the only exception, and it was his best year. How ihe forgets.

Are you telling me that teams didn't jam Owens in 2007 and give him bracket coverage? One year he torches it, the next year Shaun Springs and the rest of the Commanders cornerbacks own him, ect...

Owens gets jammed, and he gets bumped off routes and slowed down. It takes him some time to get it cranked up again. Once he has to stop, it takes him a while to get going again. That makes him easy prey for the better corners, especially. Jimmy Johnson is on the record about this. Owens couldn't shake them this year. Using the safety is an easy excuse. All top WRs see bracket coverage, and they find a way to beat it enough. If you don't, you average 65.8 YPG. You left that stat out. I don't need a $ 9 million dollar, glorified decoy. Plus, he doesn't run good routes all the time, he doesn't know where to line up at times, and he doesn't have good hands. He isn't the YAC player he was in Philly and S.F.

1st Commanders game;

Thanks. That's gold. The Bengals receivers couldn't believe it.

17 pass attempts, and he still got owned. Owens had over 8.0 pass attempts per game. He isn't a player who should get 140-150 pass attempts in a year, anymore. He can't beat the jam or bracket. Romo has to hold the ball on his first or second read; that hurts the offense.

 

[dcfanatic]

You mean like using headline titles that the story doesn't even quote?

Or just choosing their own title like you did here while quoting a story with a different title?

Nope. never.

No media member would ever say Reeves left he cause he didn't want to sell seats int he stadium only to get told by that very person he actually volunteered to do so. Nope. Media good. Cowboys bad.

What was wrong with the title of this thread?

It states what the story is about.

Jerry Jones is having players come over to his house to talk about Terrell Owens.

Just because you saw that as something negative speaks about your mindset.

If your mindset was that he was talking to players and the players were all telling him they wanted to keep Terrell Owens you would like the title.

Correct?

You just outed yourself and didn't even realize it.


Reeves selling seats in the new stadium?

What are you even talking about.

We already know why the contract wasn't good for both parties.

Catch up will ya.

And if Jerry Jones was hiring a former head coach to sell stadium seats then I would suggest Stephen Jones step in immediately because Jerry is then clearly in the early stages of Alzheimers.

 

[RoadRunner]

2. No NFL owner wants to have a $9.75 mil cap hit for a guy who is playing for another team.

At least they got this info correct, and didn't try to use the "only cost 600 grand" falsehood.

 

[Hostile]

At least they got this info correct, and didn't try to use the "only cost 600 grand" falsehood.

Study "sunk cost." It will explain the $680,000 difference between keeping him and waiving him.

 

[dcfanatic]

At least they got this info correct, and didn't try to use the "only cost 600 grand" falsehood.

Those were my comments.

Hence the --------------------------.

Just clearing that up.

 

[Randy White]

Only fools equate wr to championships.

You know better than to post such foolishness..

 

[Apollo Creed]

Its really going to kill me see him lighting it up somewhere else this year. It is going to kill me even more when he ends up in Washington, and we have to see him twice.

Owens is 10 years older than him, and is a much better receiver than Roy Wi11iams. We're letting Owens walk, to keep a guy that got 189 yards over 10 games - that we gave away a 1st, 3rd, and 6th for.

Jerry is a *******.

But if you guys think we're better off without Owens, then I will be serving copious quantities of crow for the duration of the 09 season.

He demands double coverage, every single game. Teams don't do that because they like him, or they respect what he's done - its because they know if they don't, he'll light you up for a huge game. Its up to our other guys, Roy E, Wit, Miles, Crayton, to get some separation - but hey, its all T.O's fault, all the time.

 

[Next_years_Champs]

Apparently, we're supposed to believe that players would publicly criticize a combustible teammate like TO. Because that's how it works in real life.

Really who doesn't know how well TO accepts criticism? The thing that disgusts me the most is that TO is so childish he's not acknowledging some of his teammates, but it's ok for TO to go on TV and throw coaches and teammates under the bus.

Anyone who thinks this kind of behavior does anything other than rip a locker room to shreds knows very little about people.

 

[LatinMind]

i dont know whats worse, seeing 1000 threads on owens.

the media trying to put every problem dallas has on owens back.

or parcellsguy "dcfanatic" acting like he was sporting a owens sig earlier this yr praising him on how much he's changed.

every offseason is drama with the cowboys. why cant they just play all yr long.

 

[STSINAZ]

Oh goodie, more anonymous sources.

Chances of this being true: .0002%.

Jerry is an idiot

 

[dbair1967]

every offseason is drama with the cowboys. why cant they just play all yr long.

nothing like the end of 2008 and this offseason though...not even close

 

[Beast_from_East]

I think this all comes down to Romo, seriously.


It really doesnt matter what Wade says, it really doesnt matter what Garrett says, and it really doesnt matter what the players say with one big exception.....the QB.


Basically it is up to Romo is he can play with TO next year or not. If he tells Jerry that they can work out their problems and it is not big deal, then TO is back for another year. If Romo tells Jerry there is no way in hell he can play with the guy, then TO is gone.


Romo is basically the only "untouchable" on the roster when it comes to Jerry. Thus, he is the only person who has both the balls and the authoriy that Jerry would listen to.


Question is........what will Romo say????

 

[Apollo Creed]

Romo and Owens have hooked up for more TDs than any other QB/WR combo in the league.

 

[cowboyed]

I believe the bleeding will be stopped during this off-season. Too much at stake.

 

[superpunk]

I'm sure players are flying in from hundreds of miles away just to talk to Jerry Jones in person about Terrell Owens.

Recently some dude invented this thing called a telephone. Check it out...

 

[cowboyjoe]

now this takes the cake if this is true, mind you, it says unnamed sources

its like jerry jones said, if he finds out whom the unnamed sources are, they are in deep hockey you know what

now if true, then T O needs to be Man enough to admit he is wrong and work out the differences, if not, then yes, I hate to admit it but then T O needs to be gone,

I wanted T O here to give him a chance, to help this team win, and go to superbowl

but if, and i say if T O isnt talking to teammates in the huddle, in the locker room,t hen yes there is a big problem

and it needs to be settled and now

like i said, the biggest thing this team needs is for the players to be in a closed locker room, jerry jones tell them all, your not leaving here till this is settled one way or the other, i will as jerry jones will be outside this door, while you all hash out your differences, and i promise you this, if i find out whom the big rats are that leak out anything that will be said in this private locker rooom debate, airing things out, that player or players will be mud, period

 

[BHendri5]

dude where is your caretaker? because they need to give you your medicine.