Yahoo: Jones put Dez in bad situation

[Diehardblues]

I'll go with what we do know rather than trying to invent "unknowns" so we can feel better about it.

What we know is we have done nothing with the Cap savings. Zero, zilch, notta, nuttin..

 

[Diehardblues]

I think the bigger question is ;

Did the Cowboys intentionally put Dez in a bad place releasing him late?

 

[OmerV]

Of course they are, and nobody has suggested that they think that. However this was not something that came up out of the blue. Not all decisions are equal.

Of course you suggested that by saying that the Cowboys taking time while decisions equates to incompetence. You are setting a double standard by saying it makes sense for other teams, but not for Dallas.

Nobody has suggested releasing Dez was out of the blue. Everyone knew it was possible. But that doesn't mean the decision was final and unequivocal a month earlier. The Cowboys were still working free agency, and adjusting their draft needs based on free agency, just as other teams were doing, and as such its reasonable to think they may have been deferring the decision until all that was clearer.

 

[G2]

The article suggests that the team wouldn't offer Dez a pay cut. But I doubt Dez would have accepted that in the first place.

 

[cern]

And if a decision is not reasonable, is it not open to criticism? Is it not okay to point out the impact it has on the other party?

I have no problem with that at all. Imo, dez would have been wise to thank the organization for the opportunity and wish the cowboys well. Even if he didn't mean a word of it.

 

[Diehardblues]

The article suggests that the team wouldn't offer Dez a pay cut. But I doubt Dez would have accepted that in the first place.

Initially I thought they’d ask Dez to restructure his contract but it doesn’t appear we ever had any intention? I think it’s clear early on we’d made up our mind to move on. The only question remains is why we took so long in releasing him.

 

[G2]

Initially I thought they’d ask Dez to restructure his contract but it doesn’t appear we ever had any intention? I think it’s clear early on we’d made up our mind to move on. The only question remains is why we took so long in releasing him.

They tried that before and he refused to sign a franchise tag, threatened to not play regular season games unless he got a long term. That might be enough to not repeat the same mistake twice.

 

[Aviano90]

I would have kept him until the end of camp, even risking injury. Trade bait for a team that would have become desperate for WR help.

Only way I cut him earlier is if cap space was necessary to sign someone else.

 

[Diehardblues]

I have no problem with that at all. Imo, dez would have been wise to thank the organization for the opportunity and wish the cowboys well. Even if he didn't mean a word of it.

Right.

Similar to how they handled Murray who was a Cap casualty who had no ill will towards the Cowboys taking a billboard to thank the fans personally. Who BTW was released much earlier in FA.

 

[Diehardblues]

I would have kept him until the end of camp, even risking injury. Trade bait for a team that would have become desperate for WR help.

Only way I cut him earlier is if cap space was necessary to sign someone else.

Now that makes more sense.

Which again leaves us wondering why did we release him when we did?

 

[OmerV]

The article suggests that the team wouldn't offer Dez a pay cut. But I doubt Dez would have accepted that in the first place.

He had previously and publically said he would not take a pay cut, so he was the one that took it off the table. Its a little disingenuous that he claimed after getting released that he would have taken a cut.

I kind of doubt it mattered though. Even if he would have accepted a pay cut, it's unlikely it would have been significant enough to matter.

 

[Diehardblues]

They tried that before and he refused to sign a franchise tag, threatened to not play regular season games unless he got a long term. That might be enough to not repeat the same mistake twice.

That was 4 years ago. Different circumstances .

Jerry buckled there. He should have let Dez sit out. And that might have influenced the decision but it doesn’t answer the time table in which we released him.

 

[OmerV]

I think the bigger question is ;

Did the Cowboys intentionally put Dez in a bad place releasing him late?

For what reason? Besides, Brandon Marshall, CJ Anderson, Daryl Worley and Coby Fleener - all prominant players - were released later than Dez. Derek Newton was released only one day earlier. These things just happen. You are trying to make something out of nothing, preferring soap opera to reality.

 

[Diehardblues]

He had previously and publically said he would not take a pay cut, so he was the one that took it off the table. Its a little disingenuous that he claimed after getting released that he would have taken a cut.

I kind of doubt it mattered though. Even if he would have accepted a pay cut, it's unlikely it would have been significant enough to matter.

From all accounts I’ve read or heard sounds like we had made our decision fairly early to move on. It was a sound Cap move . The only question is the timing.

 

[Diehardblues]

For what reason? Besides, Brandon Marshall, CJ Anderson, Daryl Worley and Coby Fleener - all prominant players - were released later than Dez. Derek Newton was released only one day earlier. These things just happen. You are trying to make something out of nothing, preferring soap opera to reality.

I’m just asking questions. The timing seemed odd to me,

These discussions and speculations is what we do on a fan forum.

 

[Denim Chicken]

 

[OmerV]

From all accounts I’ve read or heard sounds like we had made our decision fairly early to move on. It was a sound Cap move . The only question is the timing.

I don't believe the decision was firm earlier on because they weren't going to let Dez go unless they felt they had done enough to build the WR group without him. My suspicion, although I have no foundation other than my suspicion, is because they didn't sign a higher quality/more expensive WR than Hurns, there was some thought of keeping both Dez and Hurns, so they let things play out a little longer before making the firm decision.

 

[OmerV]

I’m just asking questions. The timing seemed odd to me,

These discussions and speculations is what we do on a fan forum.

I'm sorry about my reaction - I actually thought I was responding to Kevinicus, who has a history of not looking at both sides and preferring drama to reason. You are much more moderate and had I read who the poster was rather than assuming I knew I would have reacted differently.

But I will say that it really doesn't make sense that the Cowboys would have intentionally tried to screw Dez. Some fans like to believe that because they will believe everything negative they can make up, but, again, I know you are more moderate than that. I just don't see how this would make sense. I think fans have to remember there is more going on behind the scenes than we see on TV or read about online. It was reported the team tried to trade Dez, so that may well have been a reason they held on to him longer. Who knows, but there are other possible and reasonable explanations.

 

[Diehardblues]

I don't believe the decision was firm earlier on because they weren't going to let Dez go unless they felt they had done enough to build the WR group without him. My suspicion, although I have no foundation other than my suspicion, is because they didn't sign a higher quality/more expensive WR than Hurns, there was some thought of keeping both Dez and Hurns, so they let things play out a little longer before making the firm decision.

What are your suspicions in why they let it play out a little longer?

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm sorry about my reaction - I actually thought I was responding to Kevinicus, who has a history of not looking at both sides and preferring drama to reason. You are much more moderate and had I read who the poster was rather than assuming I knew I would have reacted differently.

But I will say that it really doesn't make sense that the Cowboys would have intentionally tried to screw Dez. Some fans like to believe that because they will believe everything negative they can make up, but, again, I know you are more moderate than that. I just don't see how this would make sense. I think fans have to remember there is more going on behind the scenes than we see on TV or read about online. It was reported the team tried to trade Dez, so that may well have been a reason they held on to him longer. Who knows, but there are other possible and reasonable explanations.

I’m looking for those other possible and reasonable explanations.

Thus far it appears to have either been intentional , poor planning or last minute decision making on our part?

Many want to dispute any ill will which might be the case but they haven’t yet provided how waiting enhanced our situation nor the intent for the use of Cap savings. It just doesn’t all add up to me.