Yeah, the stinking Commanders dont have a 2nd & 4th next year in 2007 draft

[silverbear]

Case in point: Gibbs trades up to nab Chris Cooley in the 3rd round, when many experts and scouts say he reached. Bill Parcells told this kid he would never play in the NFL. 2 seasons, 1000 yards, 13 touchdowns and almost 70 first downs later, Gibbs looks like he knows what he is doing.

Somehow, I doubt that Parcells ever said such a thing to Cooley... personally, I had Chris on my list of players I wanted to see the Boys draft on day two, but I did think the 3rd round was too early for him...

That's an observation based not on talent, but on his draft value going into the draft...

 

[silverbear]

Come on, Hostile...you're intelligent. You know exactly what I was saying.

You were talking out of both sides of your mouth, and got called on it... if you now wish to amend your argument to something with a bit of consistency, you're welcome to do so...

 

[silverbear]

What are you talking about?? Trickblue made a comment about past playoff appearances. I said, that's fine, but I still like our history better than your history. How is that talking out of both sides of my mouth??

Mercy, you can't even figure THAT out??

One sentence, you're waxing rhapsodic about the 2nd quarter of Super Bowl 22, then the next sentence you're telling us to "stop living in the past"...

Since you apparently can't grasp the asinine nature of that statement, let me point out that when you get all misty-eyed about Super Bowl 22, YOU'RE the one "living in the past"...

 

[silverbear]

I agree...you're actually scaring me. There's definitely a communication breakdown here.


I was referring to this, upcoming, 2006 season. Not using the past to justify why one team will be better than another in this upcoming, 2006 season. Comparing the 2nd quarter of SB22 (19 years ago) to the 5 Cowboy Superbowls (the most recent of which was 10 years ago) is vastly, vastly different. I wish you could see the difference...I really do.

It was a flippant remark....I guess that doesn't come off well on a message board. *whoknows*

LOL... not when the flippant remark is followed by advice like "stop living in the past"...

 

[silverbear]

So...you think that having a favorite superbowl and "living in the past" are the same thing?

When you get all philosophical reminiscing about it on a freakin' Cowboys board??

You bet that's living in the past...

What is more relevant to this upcoming season? The fact that the Cowboys have 5 superbowl trophies, or the fact that the Skins won 5 in a row to make the playoffs and won a playoff game on the road in Tampa last season?

Neither one of them has ANY relevance to the 2006 season...

Well, obviously you don't take the quality of debate on your board seriously, as you let trolls like 5Bars wander around...

I guess you prefer the fascism of Extremeskins... if you don't like our rules, don't let us keep you from leaving...

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Who has the best OL depth in the NFL ?

And not just that, but the team has to have at least a formidable line to begin with.

To me RB depth is the easiest thing to have. After that everyone is usually pretty equal.

No team really has any depth. The depth argument might be the worst thing ever. People that say the Commanders depth is worst than any other team, simply dont pay attention.

Someone tell me what team has quality depth across the board at the skill offense positions alone. It doesnt exist.

QB's alone: The Dolphins have a QB coming off of major surgery and a backup that can barely tie his own shoes. The Patriots backup QB was a career backup, even in college. The Ravens backup QB has proven he cant play in this league.

There are a few players at backup spots here and there that may make a difference but overall no team has good depth.

And before anyone brings up RBs. On paper... most teams have a solid backup RB.

 

[silverbear]

you'll find this with some posters. its not you... in case you were wondering.

its amazing what one grasps at after one bad season.

Look, gang, it's a Skins fan circle jerk... and ol' Riggo has apparently just volunteered to be the pivot man!!!

I guess a good Skins fan like yourself would be quite conversant with what one grasps at after a bad season... preseason bravado followed by in-season despair has been the modus operandi of your average everyday Skins fan for some time now...

 

[silverbear]

Phew! I'm relieved to see its not just me. But then again, maybe we're all just "wired" the same way....

Yeah, I've long believed that being a Skins fan was a psychological disorder...

 

[random Cs]

You guys are discussing our 2nd and 4th round draft situation in 2007? Must be the offseason.

As for the evaluation on our depth, OL depth is weak at C and G. Bugel and the coaching staff rave about Jim Molinaro from Notre Dame (back-up T), but he hasn't gotten a chance to play yet, so I can't comment.

LB depth is not weak. Chris Clemons is (SLB) one of our better pass-rushers on 3rd downs and Khary Campbell (MLB) is our Special Teams specialist. Then we have weaksauce Holdman and Rocky McIntosh for the WLB.

The secondary is a bit thin after Kenny Wright at CB, but then again, we usually only hold 4 CB's on the active roster and use our back-up safeties, in our dime sets. Pierson Pioleau was a big part of our team last year.

All in all, I don't really see why you guys care about our back-ups. Not to mention our depth is far better then it was last season.

 

[silverbear]

Are you intentionally being obtuse??

Maybe he's just trying to communicate with you on your level... naturally, doing so would require one to adopt an obtuse stance...

 

[silverbear]

Another one who doesn't know what the word means...

Here, I'll settle this:

obtuse:

• [SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1]of an angle; between 90 and 180 degrees[/SIZE][/SIZE]
• [SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1]of a leaf shape; rounded at the apex[/SIZE][/SIZE]
• [SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1]lacking in insight or discernment; "too obtuse to grasp the implications of his behavior"; "a purblind oligarchy that flatly refused to see that history was condemning it to the dustbin"- Jasper Griffin[/SIZE][/SIZE]
• [SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1]dense: slow to learn or understand; lacking intellectual acuity; "so dense he never understands anything I say to him"; "never met anyone quite so dim"; "although dull at classical learning, at mathematics he was uncommonly quick"- Thackeray; "dumb officials make some really dumb decisions"; "he was either normally stupid or being deliberately obtuse"; "worked with the slow students"[/SIZE][/SIZE]

Right... and in that context, not being able to grasp the hypocrisy in first getting all dewy-eyed about the 2nd quarter of Super Bowl 22, then telling US to "stop living in the past" is obviously obtuse in the extremest...

 

[silverbear]

Injuries are a concern for any team in the NFL. You telling me you wouldn't be concerned if you lost one or two olinemen for the season?

Sure, but it wouldn't be the unmitigated disaster it would be for you guys... for example, we have a former first round draft pick for the Bears, whose career was derailed by injuries, waiting on the pines if one of our tackles gets hurt (Marc Colombo)...

I've said it before, there isn't a single backup offensive lineman on the Skins' roster who could even make the Cowboys' 53 man roster... the obvious implication of this opinion is that ALL of our backups are better than ANY of yours (on the offensive line, that is)...

 

[silverbear]

And a Miami dolphin fan would trade both for the 17-0 season.

What's your point?

Just that we have our memories, too... probably a few more than y'all do...

Heck, you don't have ANY plays in your history that rival the Ice Bowl, or the Hail Mary... those games aren't just legendary among Cowboys fans, they're legendary among ALL football fans...

Can you think of one game the Skins have played in the past that is as widely known among football fans of all teams as those two games are??

 

[silverbear]

Hey whatever floats your boat, man. Sounds like a backdoor excuse for your team being injured, *laugh*

Nope, the Cowboys weren't unduly destroyed by injury last year... they had SOME, but they didn't have an epidemic of them...

But yeah, if they had stayed as healthy as your team did, and if the Skins had suffered the injuries the Boys did (including losing a Pro Bowl tackle and two starting linebackers to IR), then the two teams' records would likely have been reversed...

I'd rather gamble on being healthy than gamble on the biggest cancer to ever don a NFL uniform. Two teams and counting... You're next.

ROTLFMAO...

Lacking anything in the way of direct rebuttal, the Skins fan tries to change the subject...

 

[silverbear]

You guys are discussing our 2nd and 4th round draft situation in 2007? Must be the offseason.

As for the evaluation on our depth, OL depth is weak at C and G. Bugel and the coaching staff rave about Jim Molinaro from Notre Dame (back-up T), but he hasn't gotten a chance to play yet, so I can't comment.

The guy has 2 years in the league, and last year he got in all of THREE games... if he had the game to give Jansen of Samuels (or both) a breather, you have to think that Gibbs would have let him do so...

And who's the depth AFTER Molinaro?? Can he play both LT and RT (not at the same time, obviously)??

LB depth is not weak. Chris Clemons is (SLB) one of our better pass-rushers on 3rd downs and Khary Campbell (MLB) is our Special Teams specialist.

Clemons had 9 tackles and 2 sacks last year... Campbell is a Cowboys reject, and being a special teams standout is rather different from being a quality linebacker... 13 tackles in 11 games played doesn't strike fear in my heart... our special teams standout was Keith Davis last year, and he pretty much stunk as a starter at FS...

Then we have weaksauce Holdman and Rocky McIntosh for the WLB.

Holdman is a player most Skins fans have been critical of, and McIntosh is an oft-injured rookie...

The secondary is a bit thin after Kenny Wright at CB, but then again, we usually only hold 4 CB's on the active roster and use our back-up safeties, in our dime sets. Pierson Pioleau was a big part of our team last year.

I like Wright a lot, actually think he was one of your best signings... but the way it works is, you guys have Taylor, Springs, Rogers, Wright, Prioleau, Archuleta, and after that, nothing but dreck (47 games played, 44 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 ints, 2 passes defensed)... Ade Jimoh is the best of the lot, and he's the very definition of a fringe player... after him, you guys have Dmitri Patterson (3 games played, 0 tackles, 0 passes defensed, 1 int), Christian Morton (7 games played, 12 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 ints, 2 passes defensed), Curry Burns (9 games played, 23 tackles, 0 sacks, 1 int, 0 passes defensed), rookie Aric Williams and 2nd year player Dennard Wilson...

So, if you consider Jimoh the 7th DB for the 4-0 sets, that means the remaining 5 backups have combined for 19 games played, 35 tackles, 2 interceptions, 0 sacks, and 3 passes defensed...

I sure HOPE the Skins wind up having to depend on one or more of those questionable talents...

All in all, I don't really see why you guys care about our back-ups. Not to mention our depth is far better then it was last season.

Not from where I sit, it isn't... the only position I see as significantly upgraded is your WR corps...

Though I'm arguing with you, I have respect for the fact that you at least seem to be able to recognize reality when it comes to your own team...

 

[random Cs]

The guy has 2 years in the league, and last year he got in all of THREE games... if he had the game to give Jansen of Samuels (or both) a breather, you have to think that Gibbs would have let him do so...

And who's the depth AFTER Molinaro?? Can he play both LT and RT (not at the same time, obviously)??

We're developing Molinaro to play LT and we signed Tyson Walter, whom I'm sure you're familiar with. We also signed Mike Pucillo from Cleveland for the interior. This kid Ike Ndukwe from Northwestern is supposed to make the team. From what I remember about Walter, he's a big stiff, but Pucillo was decent for Buffalo.

Clemons had 9 tackles and 2 sacks last year... Campbell is a Cowboys reject, and being a special teams standout is rather different from being a quality linebacker...

Clemons is the man; I'm sold on him. I've seen what he can do when healthy. I wouldn't give up Khary for any other back-up MLB in the nfl; special teams play has been a big problem the previous year.

Not from where I sit, it isn't... the only position I see as significantly upgraded is your WR corps...

We're trying. Journeymen O-Linemen aren't much, but they'll be an upgrade over 43yr old Ray Brown and Cory Raymer. We upgraded our secondary by replacing Walt Harris with Kenny; should be a big difference. Having Renaldo Wynn be able to be a back-up helps the D-Line rotation and our back-up DT's are all young; they should improve.

Though I'm arguing with you, I have respect for the fact that you at least seem to be able to recognize reality when it comes to your own team...

Well, I know my team. You sure you know yours?

the obvious implication of this opinion is that ALL of our backups are better than ANY of yours (on the offensive line, that is)...

Kosier is a bum! (damn, don't ya'll have any smilies without stars on em?)

Point taken though, your O-Line depth is obviously above ours. But, we've had more stability in our starting 5 then you guys have. But hey, maybe we'll get lucky this season and be able to see how good your backups really are... : (found one)

 

[jrockster77]

If you're counting on Mike Pucillo and Tyson Walter to help your team, you're in deep doo-doo... indeed, the Skins' depth on the offensive line is WORSE than it was last year-- Walter and Pucillo replace Ray Brown and Cory Raymer, which is NOT an upgrade...

If you think the Oline depth of this year's team is WORSE than last year's team, then you have absolutely zero football knowledge, and are completely unqualified to even hold a football. I say you should be banned from further football discussion for at least two years...that's enough time to learn the game, don't ya think?

If you REALLY think that the draft is unimportant, that free agency can be an acceptable substitute for building a good team for the long haul, then intelligence isn't one of YOUR strong suits, either...

The draft isn't that important, and FA mixed with the draft can be a winning formula. If you can't realize that, you are a football novice...and know nothing about the league.

 

[jrockster77]

Wrong... depth is a critical thing in the NFL, injuries happen to every team, every year (even last year, when you guys got INCREDIBLY lucky on the injury front, you had SOME injuries)...

Teams that trade draft picks for free agents pay FAR more for those free agents than they do draft picks... this means less cap room to develop quality DEPTH...

Yeah...because if you draft somebody, guaranteed they're gonna be quality depth. I mean, the Cowboys had so much depth and drafted so well that Torrin Tucker was their starting LT. Wait.....you mean Torrin Tucker was undrafted??? What happened to all those quality draft picks for depth???

I mean...any team other than the Commanders, if they have an injury, they shouldn't skip a beat, right? I mean, because every other team uses all their draft picks!! There should be 31 superbowl champions every year!!!

If you can't grasp that simple fact, it's no wonder you can't look at your roster now with an unprejudiced eye, and see the SERIOUS lack of depth, particularly at three positions:

Offensive line
Defensive back
Quarterback...

Yeah...our nickel cornerback was the starter on the 7th ranked passing defense in the NFL last season. Yeah...our depth is terrible.

One of two injuries on your offensive line, and your offense is screwed; one or two injuries to defensive backs, and opposing quarterbacks are gonna feast on the Skins' secondary... and if Brunell goes down, your season is OVER...

Rots o' ruck...

Uhhh...if ANY team in the NFL has two offensive linemen or two defensive backs go down with injury, they're in trouble. If you don't know that, you're just a HUGE mega homer. And if you think everything will be okay when Bleedsoe goes down, you're sadly mistaken.

 

[jrockster77]

Championship teams are built through the draft.

Tell that to the 2000 Ravens...thanks in advance.

 

[jrockster77]

The answer, fella, is that they are equally as relevant.

Wow....you're truly the dumbest person I've ever met. Congratulations.