You don't move on from Dak unless you have The Franchise already on the roster

[Blitzen]

Well Dak fans aren’t physics….all we can do is go on past history. We haven’t used a top 5 pick on a QB. But we also rarely get top 5 picks. But once we move on from Dak guys like Parsons and Lamb will request trades and probably Diggs and we can trade them and really suck. Probably can get a nice haul for Daron Bland too since he’s still on his rookie Dak.

You don’t have to trade players that request trades. Laremy Tunsil wanted a big extension and signed it with the Texans before last season and ended up playing a big role (though the team was atrocious the last few years before). Players will stay with a team to get their paycheck. If the team goes for 4-5 seasons with no improvement (and awful seasons) then I can see some requesting trades. The Cowboys have not had that type of bad string since Campo and all the terrible decisions from the front office and scouting department at that time-plus not having 1st round picks and lots of dead money.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

No-I was already saying that all of Burrow’s accomplishments along with his actual offensive performance cumulatively led me to believe he has reached elite status. I don’t have enough time to go through every single stat and game of Joe to break down all the reasons that led me to this belief. He has performed consistently at a high end throughout his regular seasons and postseasons, in very big moments and against some of the best defenses. He has done it without a functional offensive line and extremely early in his career.

The fact that I felt he reached elite status after getting so far in the playoffs was a composite of his performances to get that far. I don’t regard Trent Dilfer or Flacco that level simply because their team was able to have a great run-because of their own composite career performances surrounding those runs.

Just have to agree to disagree. I’ve seen guys win in this league with below average lines. Never win a SB with one but it’s certainly possible to win in this league with a poor line.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You don’t have to trade players that request trades. Laremy Tunsil wanted a big extension and signed it with the Texans before last season and ended up playing a big role (though the team was atrocious the last few years before). Players will stay with a team to get their paycheck. If the team goes for 4-5 seasons with no improvement (and awful seasons) then I can see some requesting trades. The Cowboys have not had that type of bad string since Campo and all the terrible decisions from the front office and scouting department at that time-plus not having 1st round picks and lots of dead money.

It’s a money game. A offensive linemen is different. Their salary isn’t dependent on stats. Lamb and his team knows his salary is dependent on who’s throwing the football. Parsons pay is dependent on his dominance on a good team. These guys will seek trades. It needs to happen ti rebuild. You can’t have one foot in and one foot out you have to fully commit otherwise it’s not a rebuild it’s a “retool”.

 

[Coogiguy03]

It’s a money game. A offensive linemen is different. Their salary isn’t dependent on stats. Lamb and his team knows his salary is dependent on who’s throwing the football. Parsons pay is dependent on his dominance on a good team. These guys will seek trades. It needs to happen ti rebuild. You can’t have one foot in and one foot out you have to fully commit otherwise it’s not a rebuild it’s a “retool”.

don't know about the Parsons one my friend, could you imagine if we really had some decent guys to help be even greater?

 

[Flamma]

When healthy I think he's the second best QB in the league. Who knows if that will continue with his injuries but even last year the Bengals went as he went.

Yeah. It's Mahomes and Burrow. Maybe Rodgers, but I don't know how good he is now. But The Bengals got to that SB by beating the Chiefs at home after being down 21-0. That was crazy.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yeah. It's Mahomes and Burrow. Maybe Rodgers, but I don't know how good he is now. But The Bengals got to that SB by beating the Chiefs at home after being down 21-0. That was crazy.

But in order for that to happen you have to get stops which is what they did.

 

[5Stars]

Well Dak fans aren’t physics….all we can do is go on past history. We haven’t used a top 5 pick on a QB. But we also rarely get top 5 picks. But once we move on from Dak guys like Parsons and Lamb will request trades and probably Diggs and we can trade them and really suck. Probably can get a nice haul for Daron Bland too since he’s still on his rookie Dak.

lmao....

 

[SultanOfSix]

Good morning Captain S.

After reading that back and forth about hyperbole, this seems like an extremely odd thing to say?

Did you really think he actually meant that an 8 year old JB would be better than a 30 year old Dak with a bonus 100 years of age free practice time?

If so, this really explains a lot. I guarantee you are the only one here that wasn't able to pull the intended meaning out of the obvious hyperbole in that statement.

Take it easy on him. He thinks Dak is the greatest QB who ever lived.

His brain is the size of a pea.

 

[5Stars]

Take it easy on him. He thinks Dak is the greatest QB who ever lived.

His brain is the size of a pea.

Take it easy on TheMarathonContinues, Dak fans aren't physics.

lmao

 

[KJJ]

That's kind of a wild hypothetical. Did they brand Kaepernick or Russel Wilson a choker? Usually QBs branded a choker earn that title by never coming close to getting to a SB in the first place.

You’re not grasping my post. Those QBs didn’t receive hate from their fan base year after year. I’m talking about how our fan base would react to Dak if he had an opportunity to win or tie the SB on a last ditch drive and failed. Our fans would be trashing him claiming he choked.

 

[Blitzen]

Just have to agree to disagree. I’ve seen guys win in this league with below average lines. Never win a SB with one but it’s certainly possible to win in this league with a poor line.

I would not expect you to agree with me. You already said you did not see him as elite. I may have a lower threshold for what constitutes elite than you. I would say that the standard for most Cowboys’ fans (that remember championship teams) will be to have a QB that can make deep playoff runs and eventually win a SB. If they cannot make it to a CCG game at least with their 1st 6 years in the league-I would want to move on to the next QB -no second contract(unless the guy was setting all time league records every year and the defense was trash every season). Dak will never gain these fans’ ultimate respect without accomplishing more in the postseason (playing really well while doing it too). Since history says he will never achieve it-it just means the team should move on to the next guy as soon as possible.

 

[Blitzen]

It’s a money game. A offensive linemen is different. Their salary isn’t dependent on stats. Lamb and his team knows his salary is dependent on who’s throwing the football. Parsons pay is dependent on his dominance on a good team. These guys will seek trades. It needs to happen ti rebuild. You can’t have one foot in and one foot out you have to fully commit otherwise it’s not a rebuild it’s a “retool”.

Montez Sweat and Brian Burns signed huge extensions with clubs that have been disasters for awhile now. Terry McLaurin did the same-and it’s not like Washington has anyone in 2022 or anyone up and coming for the QB position. Drafting and building a team should take into account how difficult it is to find replacements but also the shelf life of each player. Micah and Ceedee likely have at least 5-7 more years of prime production which means the team should hold onto them for the foreseeable future (even with a new QB). If there is an opportunity to get a massive haul during the rebuild sure you should look into it. Guys will sign on the dotted line if the numbers work-too much at stake to risk holding out for a long time. Trade requests can be dealt with at the front office’s leisure and inclination.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Montez Sweat and Brian Burns signed huge extensions with clubs that have been disasters for awhile now. Terry McLaurin did the same-and it’s not like Washington has anyone in 2022 or anyone up and coming for the QB position. Drafting and building a team should take into account how difficult it is to find replacements but also the shelf life of each player. Micah and Ceedee likely have at least 5-7 more years of prime production which means the team should hold onto them for the foreseeable future (even with a new QB). If there is an opportunity to get a massive haul during the rebuild sure you should look into it. Guys will sign on the dotted line if the numbers work-too much at stake to risk holding out for a long time. Trade requests can be dealt with at the front office’s leisure and inclination.

Montez Sweat, Brian Burns nor Terry McClaurin are the highest paid at their positions. I never said Parsons and Lamb wouldn't get paid. I'm saying their salary takes a hit and they know. Why do you think Stefan Diggs went to Hot? He knows this is his last chance at a pay day and he's being phased out of the Bills offense.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I would not expect you to agree with me. You already said you did not see him as elite. I may have a lower threshold for what constitutes elite than you. I would say that the standard for most Cowboys’ fans (that remember championship teams) will be to have a QB that can make deep playoff runs and eventually win a SB. If they cannot make it to a CCG game at least with their 1st 6 years in the league-I would want to move on to the next QB -no second contract(unless the guy was setting all time league records every year and the defense was trash every season). Dak will never gain these fans’ ultimate respect without accomplishing more in the postseason (playing really well while doing it too). Since history says he will never achieve it-it just means the team should move on to the next guy as soon as possible.

Of course he won't. Dak has never had their respect to being with and I'd hope he has enough sense to know he never will. If he won a ring next season they'd just give credit to his cast. IT is what it is. Respect from this fanbase means nothing lol.

 

[Blitzen]

Of course he won't. Dak has never had their respect to being with and I'd hope he has enough sense to know he never will. If he won a ring next season they'd just give credit to his cast. IT is what it is. Respect from this fanbase means nothing lol.

That’s true. He will never accomplish anything more than he already has in the postseason. Since he won’t, you can speculate on these people’s views on something that will never happen. If I won the lottery, my mother in law will still treat me the same…Most of this fanbase believes Dak is a good QB that the franchise should replace because it obviously is not working nor will it work in the future.

 

[Blitzen]

Montez Sweat, Brian Burns nor Terry McClaurin are the highest paid at their positions. I never said Parsons and Lamb wouldn't get paid. I'm saying their salary takes a hit and they know. Why do you think Stefan Diggs went to Hot? He knows this is his last chance at a pay day and he's being phased out of the Bills offense.

And Stefan is reaching the end of his prime years. Very different situations than Micah and Ceedee that have enough prime years left to get through a couple retool seasons. If they want out and are still productive after their extensions-weigh the offers and where the team is headed and make a decision. No team should think they need to get rid of every single good young player when starting over at QB, lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That’s true. He will never accomplish anything more than he already has in the postseason. Since he won’t, you can speculate on these people’s views on something that will never happen. If I won the lottery, my mother in law will still treat me the same…Most of this fanbase believes Dak is a good QB that the franchise should replace because it obviously is not working nor will it work in the future.

I don’t pretend to know or speak for a whole fanbase……millions of us have our own beliefs and views….

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

And Stefan is reaching the end of his prime years. Very different situations than Micah and Ceedee that have enough prime years left to get through a couple retool seasons. If they want out and are still productive after their extensions-weigh the offers and where the team is headed and make a decision. No team should think they need to get rid of every single good young player when starting over at QB, lol.

It’s a production driven business. You can’t say you want to be the highest paid receiver in the league and have 800 receiving yards…why do you think Lamb wants a new deal?

 

[Chasing6]

So Eli Manning was elite to you then?

Anyone that wins a SB must be elite to them by their own definition.

 

[Blitzen]

It’s a production driven business. You can’t say you want to be the highest paid receiver in the league and have 800 receiving yards…why do you think Lamb wants a new deal?

Because his contract expires after this season and he could suffer a career altering injury? Because he has produced and wants a big contract that reflects both what he has done but more importantly what he is capable of producing in the coming seasons (given his age and current trajectory).