Young outruns the field, is top offensive rookie

[dre1614]

Does Vince have the ability to read defenses, and throw accurate passes consistently?

 

[jimmy40]

I've got my point across. I must leave the forum for a while, but I would love to stay and argue this with some of you. The evidence certainly is in my favor.

Congrats to Young for winning the popularity contest. It's not his fault.

Congrats to the media for keeping his passing problems buried. I guess I'm the only one who noticed.

Too bad to Colston who actually deserved it.


By the way, Go Irish. Upset of the Bowl season.

This must be HH's mother.

 

[LatinMind]

while young had a good yr, mcneil had a great yr. i think he was robbed

 

[jazzcat22]

congrats to VY, he deserves it.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I'm sorry Heavy, but I don't see how this makes your point. He is in the top 10 in winning pct of games started (including our own Tony Romo), in his rookie season, inheriting a 4-12 team that was 0-3 when he took it over. How is this an indictment?

Also, you said in one of your posts, he is:

1. A great athlete
2. A winner
3. A great motivator

but then:

4. Not a great QB.

Can you tell me how you can be a winner at the QB position and not be considered successful? And don't throw Rex Grossman at me because we all know that the Bears win in spite of Grossman most of the time here lately. Vince Young is actually making plays that give them victories. How can that be considered less than successful?

Because he wont be able to spend his whole career running the ball. Eventually, teams are going to force him to pass. Mike Vick, a much faster, more elusive player than Vince Young can't win games with his legs most of the time, how do yuo expect Vince to?

 

[The30YardSlant]

I've watched Tennesse a great deal this year and I do not concure. Defensively, this is the worse Tennessee team I've seen with the possible exception of the first year. They are last in total defense in the entire NFL. They are second to last in scoring defense. This is not a defensive team that has been making plays all year long. There kicker is no great shakes so far as I know. He's middle of the pack at best. As for Young being 8-5 and only grading out as average, I have to disagree with you again. In fact, in the NFL this year, only 8 QBs were better then 8-5 this season. Those QBs were Brady, Pennington, McNair, Payton Manning, Rivers, Brees and Grossman. In that group, all have at least 3 years experience. That means at least 23 did not post as good a record. That, to me, does not qualify as average.

Their defense single handidly beat Jacksonville. Their kicker has won 2 other games for them.

 

[jay cee]

Ok I'll give you the 2yrs not 3......He's played one season or did you forget.

People were saying he would be a "Bust"....... that does not = O rookie of the year now does it.

Thank you CBZ for pointing that out.

 

[DIAF]

Wow, i think Colston got jobbed. Vince Young won this award on the strength of a handful of plays. He was mostly dreadful otherwise. Colston was what, one of the last 5 picks of the draft? And looks like the 2nd coming of TO.

 

[The30YardSlant]

BTW, I don't have a big problem with him winning the award, though I would have chosen Colston.

 

[jay cee]

lmao @ the notion that by "first year starting" I meant Vick's rookie season. whatever.

His first year starting - and not playing Dan Reeves little game where he'd play a half, a series, not at all, start - was far superior to Young's. His team went 9-6-1.

I wonder if all the hardcore Young guys at least realize that they sound EXACTLY (and this is not an overgeneralization) like the hardcore Vick guys did a few years back? If you don't learn to be a passer, you will NOT succeed in the NFL, for any more than 2-3 years. Right now, Young's running the Vince Young Read -n- Run, and doing it FANTASTICALLY. Sooner or later he needs to run an NFL offense.

If you did not watch him play, how do you know what offense he's running?

 

[gbrittain]

Wow, i think Colston got jobbed. Vince Young won this award on the strength of a handful of plays. He was mostly dreadful otherwise. Colston was what, one of the last 5 picks of the draft? And looks like the 2nd coming of TO.

Colston had a good year no doubt, but he did not get robbed.

 

[Tio]

What I am failing to understand is why VY isn't given the same excuses all young QBs are given when they struggle passing.

 

[Tio]

Oh and here's the difference in W's and L's each rookie qb made for their team when they started.

Broncos
pre Jay Cutler 7-4
post Jay Cutler 2-3 (only wins came against cardinals and bengals)

Cardinals
pre Matt Leinart 1-3
post Matt Leinart 4-8

Titans
pre Vince Young 0-3
post Vince Young 8-5


But everyone loved those other two qbs coming out of the draft.

 

[gbrittain]

Oh and here's the difference in W's and L's each rookie qb made for their team when they started.

Broncos
pre Jay Cutler 7-4
post Jay Cutler 2-3 (only wins came against cardinals and bengals)

Cardinals
pre Matt Leinart 1-3
post Matt Leinart 4-8

Titans
pre Vince Young 0-3
post Vince Young 8-5


But everyone loved those other two qbs coming out of the draft.

Yeah, I think some people are reading way to much into it. The award is what it is and that is rookie of the year.

It does not mean that VY will be anything next year, but it means for this year he was the best offensive rookie. I think Colston did a great job as well, but I lean towards VY because it is much more difficult to be the center of a team at the QB position and be successfull than it is a WR.

All this negativism on VY winning the ROY appears to be focused on what he will or will not become in the future, when all the award is about what he did this year.

Last season the Titans won four games total and did not win a single game the last three weeks of the season. This year they started out 0-3 without VY.

Enter VY into the equation as a raw rookie and they won 8 out of their next 13 games.

We can talk about future success until we are blue in the face, but it is not relevant to the ROY this year. What he did was amazing and he deserves it IMO.

 

[jimmy40]

Because he wont be able to spend his whole career running the ball. Eventually, teams are going to force him to pass. Mike Vick, a much faster, more elusive player than Vince Young can't win games with his legs most of the time, how do yuo expect Vince to?

Hell, you spent a year telling us he wouldn't be able to run AT ALL in the NFL. Now your saying he won't be able to spend his whole career running. You're right about this one though, when VY is 35 he probable won't be able to run in the NFL anymore.

 

[gbrittain]

Hell, you spent a year telling us he wouldn't be able to run AT ALL in the NFL. Now your saying he won't be able to spend his whole career running. You're right about this one though, when VY is 35 he probable won't be able to run in the NFL anymore.

I vividly remember all the VY skeptics saying he could never make some of the runs he did in college in the pros.

Yeah, ok.

 

[Dale]

I'm not a Vince Young homer. I think the guy has serious flaws, but I also think he has serious intangibles that may help make up for those flaws in the long haul.

People acted as if Young wouldn't be able to complete a pass in the NFL his rookie year, yet he threw just one more interception (13) than touchdown (12). He also ran for 7 scores. For comparison's sake, Alex Smith threw 11 interceptions and 1 TD as a rookie. This year, in his second season, he threw a pedestrian 16 interceptions and 16 touchdowns.

Young reminds me a little of LeBron James coming into the NBA -- can't hit a jumper, has no outside shot, etc etc. But he can still play; and, maybe like James, Young will one day correct some of his current flaws. Young isn't all that pretty when throwing the ball, but so far, the results have been far from bad. And teams have plenty of "tape" of the guy.

I think the discrepencies in how we judge these guys is sometimes unfair. Smith was horrid last year but kind of flew under the radar. I never really heard anyone screaming "BUST!!!" this offseason. It was more or less, "bleh."

Yet here Smith is, despite a statistically average season, seemingly progressing decently.

Statistically and realistically, Young held his own in his this league at a time in his career very few thought he would. I could only imagine the lynching he would get if he had a 1 TD, 11 INT season.

 

[gbrittain]

I'm not a Vince Young homer. I think the guy has serious flaws, but I also think he has serious intangibles that may help make up for those flaws in the long haul.

People acted as if Young wouldn't be able to complete a pass in the NFL his rookie year, yet he threw just one more interception (13) than touchdown (12). He also ran for 7 scores. For comparison's sake, Alex Smith threw 11 interceptions and 1 TD as a rookie. This year, in his second season, he threw a pedestrian 16 interceptions and 16 touchdowns.

Young reminds me a little of LeBron James coming into the NBA -- can't hit a jumper, has no outside shot, etc etc. But he can still play; and, maybe like James, Young will one day correct some of his current flaws. Young isn't all that pretty when throwing the ball, but so far, the results have been far from bad. And teams have plenty of "tape" of the guy.

I think the discrepencies in how we judge these guys is sometimes unfair. Smith was horrid last year but kind of flew under the radar. I never really heard anyone screaming "BUST!!!" this offseason. It was more or less, "bleh."

Yet here Smith is, despite a statistically average season, seemingly progressing decently.

Statistically and realistically, Young held his own in his this league at a time in his career very few thought he would. I could only imagine the lynching he would get if he had a 1 TD, 11 INT season.

I could only imagine the lynching he would get if he had a 1 TD, 11 INT season

You could be assured of a thread a week to remind everyone that is for sure.

 

[superpunk]

If you did not watch him play, how do you know what offense he's running?

I believe I said - QUITE clearly, that I had seen 4 of his games.

I can't understand the obsession with not reading what is written

 

[superpunk]

nice post, dale. Like anything else - the amount of opposition is directly proportional to the amount of support - and vice versa.