Young outruns the field, is top offensive rookie

[ABQCOWBOY]

Guilty as charged but that don't mean your not dead wrong and it sure don't mean I'm not on the money Jack.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Lets play another game. List all of the NFL QB's with a better winning pct in the games that they started?

Awesome stuff.

Phillip Rivers
Steve McNair
Peyton Manning
Rex Grossman
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Jeff Garcia
Chad Pennington

Nice try, though

 

[DC Cowboy]

Look, he was voted rookie of the year. Not HOFer of the year, not MVP of the league or any other ridiculous award.

He was awarded rookie of the year. He has much improvement to do before he has arrived. However, for a rookie which is what the award is for, he was very deserving.

If you look at his stats in only the games the Titans won you will see his QB rating was 85.6, 87.4, 66.7, 107.9, 72.6, 73.6, 70.1, and 127.7 respectively. Pretty respectable for a rookie.

The guy is supposed to still be playing college football for team that does not even run a pro offense.

Yeah, the guy has a long way to go but he has also come a long way in a very short period of time.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Guilty as charged but that don't mean your not dead wrong and it sure don't mean I'm not on the money Jack.

Wrong about what? That Vince Young has the lowest completion percentage of any QB in the NFL? That would be a fact.

 

[superpunk]

lmao @ the notion that by "first year starting" I meant Vick's rookie season. whatever.

His first year starting - and not playing Dan Reeves little game where he'd play a half, a series, not at all, start - was far superior to Young's. His team went 9-6-1.

I wonder if all the hardcore Young guys at least realize that they sound EXACTLY (and this is not an overgeneralization) like the hardcore Vick guys did a few years back? If you don't learn to be a passer, you will NOT succeed in the NFL, for any more than 2-3 years. Right now, Young's running the Vince Young Read -n- Run, and doing it FANTASTICALLY. Sooner or later he needs to run an NFL offense.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Wrong about what? That Vince Young has the lowest completion percentage of any QB in the NFL? That would be a fact.

About Vince Young as a QB in the NFL and about Reggie McNeal as a QB in the NFL.

Archieves are full of documentation on this subject.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Did Michael Vick start in the year 2001? Is that his first year starting a game?

Vick threw 113 passes. He played in 8 games. I would think that this would be significant experience compared to what Young had under his belt when he became "starter".

How did Vick do with HIS first experience? Those are the stats I posted. Seemed pretty applicable to the discussion to me.

No, Vick did not start his first year.

 

[The30YardSlant]

About Vince Young as a QB in the NFL and about Reggie McNeal as a QB in the NFL.

Archieves are full of documentation on this subject.

Reggie McNeal is a Wide Receiver in the NFL, albeit he does run the Bengals scout team offense as QB

 

[joseephuss]

Phillip Rivers
Steve McNair
Peyton Manning
Rex Grossman
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Jeff Garcia
Chad Pennington

Nice try, though

That is nice company to keep. That is my point. Those guys are mostly highly regarded veteran QBs playing on established teams and Young is right there among them in winning percentage as a rookie on a rebuilding team.

 

[Doomsday101]

lmao @ the notion that by "first year starting" I meant Vick's rookie season. whatever.

His first year starting - and not playing Dan Reeves little game where he'd play a half, a series, not at all, start - was far superior to Young's. His team went 9-6-1.

I wonder if all the hardcore Young guys at least realize that they sound EXACTLY (and this is not an overgeneralization) like the hardcore Vick guys did a few years back? If you don't learn to be a passer, you will NOT succeed in the NFL, for any more than 2-3 years. Right now, Young's running the Vince Young Read -n- Run, and doing it FANTASTICALLY. Sooner or later he needs to run an NFL offense.

I agree that for Young to have a great career he will have to learn how to become a more effective passer. I think he has a fine coach to work with in Norm Chow and it appears Young is receptive to learning how to become a complete QB. Only time will tell if Young can do that. As for this season Young has helped to spark Tenn turn around and has made some big plays that have helped him win the Offensive Rookie of the year.

 

[The30YardSlant]

That is nice company to keep. That is my point. Those guys are mostly highly regarded veteran QBs playing on established teams and Young is right there among them in winning percentage as a rookie on a rebuilding team.

So Vince Young is slightly worse than Jeff Garcia?

The gold standard by which NFL QBs are measured

 

[Maikeru-sama]

lmao @ the notion that by "first year starting" I meant Vick's rookie season. whatever.

His first year starting - and not playing Dan Reeves little game where he'd play a half, a series, not at all, start - was far superior to Young's. His team went 9-6-1.

I wonder if all the hardcore Young guys at least realize that they sound EXACTLY (and this is not an overgeneralization) like the hardcore Vick guys did a few years back? If you don't learn to be a passer, you will NOT succeed in the NFL, for any more than 2-3 years. Right now, Young's running the Vince Young Read -n- Run, and doing it FANTASTICALLY. Sooner or later he needs to run an NFL offense.

No, we just dont understand why Michael Vick cant be Michael Vick and Vince Young cant be Vince Young.

That is what we dont understand.

Thanks though.

And as always, time will eventually tell.

 

[gbrittain]

lmao @ the notion that by "first year starting" I meant Vick's rookie season. whatever.

His first year starting - and not playing Dan Reeves little game where he'd play a half, a series, not at all, start - was far superior to Young's. His team went 9-6-1.

I wonder if all the hardcore Young guys at least realize that they sound EXACTLY (and this is not an overgeneralization) like the hardcore Vick guys did a few years back? If you don't learn to be a passer, you will NOT succeed in the NFL, for any more than 2-3 years. Right now, Young's running the Vince Young Read -n- Run, and doing it FANTASTICALLY. Sooner or later he needs to run an NFL offense.

I do not know if you would consider me to be a hardcore Young supporter or not. I am a big VY supporter, but I absolutely agree that he has to improve in the passing area or he will not make it.

I just happen to think that he can and will.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Reggie McNeal is a Wide Receiver in the NFL, albeit he does run the Bengals scout team offense as QB

This is true, but it is not what you said a few short months ago.

I believe your position was that McNeal would be better as an NFL QB and that Young would not.

 

[joseephuss]

So Vince Young is slightly worse than Jeff Garcia?

The gold standard by which NFL QBs are measured

Weak.

 

[superpunk]

No, we just dont understand why Michael Vick cant be Michael Vick and Vince Young cant be Vince Young.

That is what we dont understand.

Thanks though.

And as always, time will eventually tell.

BEcause precedent says THAT QB can't be successful, long-term. It's a far greater leap to say that Young is suddenly going to buck all trends and make this running QB thing work without being an effective passer. It hasn't happened yet, and I don't think it ever will.

 

[joseephuss]

BEcause precedent says THAT QB can't be successful, long-term. It's a far greater leap to say that Young is suddenly going to buck all trends and make this running QB thing work without being an effective passer. It hasn't happened yet, and I don't think it ever will.

But who is saying that he is going to stay as a running QB? Most people I see say that Young still needs to progress as a passer. I don't think I have seen anyone say that he will be successful if he doesn't improve that aspect of his game. Even the staunchest of Young supporters. The question is whether he can do that. I don't know the answer to that one. It will take some time, but he may be able to do it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

BEcause precedent says THAT QB can't be successful, long-term. It's a far greater leap to say that Young is suddenly going to buck all trends and make this running QB thing work without being an effective passer. It hasn't happened yet, and I don't think it ever will.

I've read through most of this thread and I don't see people trying to say that Young is going to be an effective QB, long term, by not being an effective passer. What I'm reading is that people believe he is going to eventually become a more effective passer as his experience improves.

Young is certainly not the first mobile QB to come into the NFL with designs on improving as a passer. If he succeeds in this process, and I believe he will, neither will he be the first to do so.

It can be done.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Weak.

Facts suck, huh?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

BEcause precedent says THAT QB can't be successful, long-term. It's a far greater leap to say that Young is suddenly going to buck all trends and make this running QB thing work without being an effective passer. It hasn't happened yet, and I don't think it ever will.

First was the guy was going to be converted to a WR.

Then it was he was a 2nd Day pick.

Then it was he was too stupid to play QB in the NFL.

Then it was he was far behind Cutler and Matt Leinart in terms of development and should sit.

But continue to "lump" certain QBs all in the same boat and say A = B and B = A and therefore they will have the same success or same failures.

Funny, that logic could be applied to Tony Romo. His star has finally fell back down to earth but does that mean he cant improve just because someone that "played" like him the past star diminished?
- Mike G.