Zeke or Kamara?

[QuincyCarterEra]

"Sproles says hi"

...why are you acting like Sproles is some JAG? He's one of the better receiving backs to ever come into the league. It wasn't "system", Sproles has simply always been a good back and in 2011 he hit his peak.

Who else did this for Saints? Thomas and Bush (outside of his rookie season) are not on Kamara's level.

Don't bother. He doesnt watch these guys.

 

[mattjames2010]

Yep. I still remember Pierre Thomas getting like 50 catches a year... dude was a nobody.

Same thing with the "big slot" New Orleans likes to run. Marques Colston was a nobody who put up just shy of 10,000 career yards in that spot, then Jimmy Graham looked like one of the best players in the NFL playing it (and has never come close to matching that production since), now Michael Thomas takes it over and we're hearing talk about him being a top 5 WR. It's not the player, it's the position.

Pierre Thomas had 50 catches for 425 yards at his peak LOL He then got 77 receptions for 500 yards in 2013.

Kamara has that many catches and yards in 8 games this year haha Kamara had 80 receptions for 800 yards for a 10 yard average

This isn't comparable. Thomas was a good player, but Kamara is a special back.

 

[CATCH17]

Name one receiving back that has done as well as Kamara.

I'll wait

And calling Kamara a receiving back in itself is dumb too lmao. 13.9 rushing attempts per game

And you called Bell a physcial specimen, showing you know even less about these RBs we are referring to.

As well?

None of them have done it as well because none of them are as good as he is.

But the receiving backs in that offense have always been super productive.

He's a good player in a great situation.

 

[InTheZone]

Kamara doesn't really have to worry about defenses focusing on him because of Brees. Brees will spread it around.

Based on how our offense is ran and the players we have Kamara would he half the player he is now. I'll take Zeke. Zeke would probably have more success in NO than in Dallas.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Yep. I still remember Pierre Thomas getting like 50 catches a year... dude was a nobody.

Kamara has 50 catches and the season is only halfway through the season, after catching 80 passes as a rookie.

Wheres the correlation

 

[mattjames2010]

Yep. I still remember Pierre Thomas getting like 50 catches a year... dude was a nobody.

Same thing with the "big slot" New Orleans likes to run. Marques Colston was a nobody who put up just shy of 10,000 career yards in that spot, then Jimmy Graham looked like one of the best players in the NFL playing it (and has never come close to matching that production since), now Michael Thomas takes it over and we're hearing talk about him being a top 5 WR. It's not the player, it's the position.

And LOL at "Marques Colston" a "nobody". Quiet =/= nobody.

That "nobody" helped get the Saints their first super bowl.

 

[mattjames2010]

Kamara doesn't really have to worry about defenses focusing on him because of Brees. Brees will spread it around.

Based on how our offense is ran and the players we have Kamara would he half the player he is now. I'll take Zeke. Zeke would probably have more success in NO than in Dallas.

*sigh* Zeke is near the lowest in the league in terms of seeing stacked boxes.

Please folks, just stop.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Kamara has 50 catches and the season is only halfway through the season, after catching 80 passes as a rookie.

Wheres the correlation

I just remembered the name cause he was one of those fantasy players that would pop up now and again, but he always split reps with either Reggie Bush or Darren Sproles. He was never the main receiving option.

The same year he had 71 catches, Sproles had 77. Brees throws it to receiving backs a LOT. And right now, Karama is getting all that production to himself.

 

[beware_d-ware]

And LOL at "Marques Colston" a "nobody". Quiet =/= nobody.

That "nobody" helped get the Saints their first super bowl.

So did the Saints just luckily hit on an borderline HOFer in the 7th round, a 3rd round TE who produced at a HOF level, and a HOF-productive WR in the 2nd?

Or does Brees just goose the production of every big slot he plays with, just like he does with receiving backs?

 

[mattjames2010]

As well?

None of them have done it as well because none of them are as good as he is.

But the receiving backs in that offense have always been super productive.

He's a good player in a great situation.

And Zeke wasn't in a great situation running behind the best offensive line group of this decade in 2016? He's kinda come back down to Earth some since then, hasn't he?

 

[CATCH17]

Kamara has 50 catches and the season is only halfway through the season, after catching 80 passes as a rookie.

Wheres the correlation

The correlation is that a Jag like Pierre Thomas still had a Super productive year as a receiver in that offense.

So a guy with more talent in Kamara with old Drew Breese is going to catch more balls.

Are you championing all of the passes that Saquon Barkley is catching too?

He's going to catch a lot of passes.. You know why? Because they're throwing him the ball constantly.

Kamara will catch a lot of passes because they are throwing him the ball constantly.

Zeke will not catch many passes because we are not throwing him the ball constantly.

We're running Zeke run into stacked boxes over and over.

Payton is getting his guy in space along with a QB that you have to respect.

 

[mattjames2010]

So did the Saints just luckily hit on an borderline HOFer in the 7th round, a 3rd round TE who produced at a HOF level, and a HOF-productive WR in the 2nd?

Or does Brees just goose the production of every big slot he plays with, just like he does with receiving backs?

I didn't say he was a HOF, what are you talking about? You called him a nobody - like he was some JAG. He wasn't. He was a good/great receiver for nearly a decade that helped put his team over the top.

It's disrespectful to call a WR that had nearly 10,000 receiving yards a "nobody" just because they weren't HOF worthy. You folks have no idea what you're talking about, log off and stop looking stupid.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

As well?

None of them have done it as well because none of them are as good as he is.

But the receiving backs in that offense have always been super productive.

He's a good player in a great situation.

2016 Travaris Cadet- 54 targets, 40 catches, 281 yards
2015 CJ Spiller- 44 targets, 34 catches 239 yards
2014 Pierre Thomas- 55 targets, 45 catches, 378 yards

2017 Kamara- 100 targets, 81 catches, 826 yards
2018 Kamara pace- 132 targets, 102 catches, 854 yards

The numbers arent even remotely comparable. And that's not factoring into account that Kamara is 1000x the runner of the rest of them.

Kamara is not a product of his system, he makes the system way better than it is.

Yall will latch on to any crutch possible as to not say a non-cowboy is better than a cowboy. Slave of the homerism.

If Pierre Thomas with 378 receiving yards is "super productive" as you claim, then what the hell is Kamara doing right now?

 

[mardwin]

Wrong question, the correct question is Dak or Brees?

 

[beware_d-ware]

I didn't say he was a HOF, what are you talking about? You called him a nobody - like he was some JAG. He wasn't. He was a good/great receiver for nearly a decade that helped put his team over the top.

It's disrespectful to call a WR that had nearly 10,000 receiving yards a "nobody" just because they weren't HOF worthy. You folks have no idea what you're talking about, log off and stop looking stupid.

When you're a seventh round pick from a university that doesn't even play football anymore, you're kind of a nobody. At least coming in.

 

[mattjames2010]

The correlation is that a Jag like Pierre Thomas still had a Super productive year as a receiver in that offense.

So a guy with more talent in Kamara with old Drew Breese is going to catch more balls.

Are you championing all of the passes that Saquon Barkley is catching too?

He's going to catch a lot of passes.. You know why? Because they're throwing him the ball constantly.

Kamara will catch a lot of passes because they are throwing him the ball constantly.

Zeke will not catch many passes because we are not throwing him the ball constantly.

We're running Zeke run into stacked boxes over and over.

Payton is getting his guy in space along with a QB that you have to respect.

"Super productive"

Bud, Thomas almost always had low YPC averages - which means he was being forcefed. This is not the same for Alvin Kamara, Kamara last year averaged 6.1 yards a run and 10 YPC. Thomas wasn't some JAG, he was good - Kamara is better....

Just like Thomas and his production doesn't mean Sproles is a JAG. Sproles is still one of the best receiving backs to ever come into the league. If Kamara stays healthy, he's on pace to reach where Sproles is at.

 

[Rayman70]

Its comparing apples to oranges.Two totally different kinds of backs. Just pick a flavor, each is good.

 

[CATCH17]

So did the Saints just luckily hit on an borderline HOFer in the 7th round, a 3rd round TE who produced at a HOF level, and a HOF-productive WR in the 2nd?

Or does Brees just goose the production of every big slot he plays with, just like he does with receiving backs?

People still don't get it.


QB & Coach > Everything else.

Look at the backs Andy Reid gets.

They are all middle to late round picks that come in and our incredibly productive.

Schemes spike players production. Especially when they're already talented.

Westbrook, McCoy, Charles, and now Hunt are all really good players in a GREAT scheme for getting them to produce.

Same goes for the RB's that can catch who play with Breese And Payton.

 

[CATCH17]

"Super productive"

Bud, Thomas almost always had low YPC averages - which means he was being forcefed. This is not the same for Alvin Kamara, Kamara last year averaged 6.1 yards a run and 10 YPC. Thomas wasn't some JAG, he was good - Kamara is better....

Just like Thomas and his production doesn't mean Sproles is a JAG. Sproles is still one of the best receiving backs to ever come into the league. If Kamara stays healthy, he's on pace to reach where Sproles is at.

If a RB is catching 80 balls then I got news for you..

 

[mattjames2010]

When you're a seventh round pick from a university that doesn't even play football anymore, you're kind of a nobody. At least coming in.

"At least coming in" - Yeah, except he actually had a long career that is a little more important than where he was drafted at that immediately becomes irrelevant once you take a snap in the NFL.

Sheesh.