Zeke's girlfriend alleges domestic violence

[jwitten82]

But I gotta admit, Id hit it

 

[Silver Surfer]

But I gotta admit, Id hit it

Hopefully, EZE didn't.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

people are real quick to believe Elliott but not Hardy even though his witnesses and the 911 call both back his story and all the charges were dropped

This has been discussed to the utmost so for me to comment again is probably crazy. But here you go.

You do know that a trail judge heard all the evidence that you speak of and more, and he was convinced that Hardy was guilty. So he found him guilty. Yes he is not guilty on appeal, but would he have been if the girl didn't get paid. Hmmmmm.

So with that being said I am one that believes he did assault that girl. It could have been she was attacking him out of rage and he went overboard in defending himself or whatever. But that first judge who heard all the evidence for Hardy and against Hardy, found him guilty.

Now with that said, I do believe in second chances and Hardy did pay the price as he was punished. And with me believing in second chances I wanted the Cowboys to sign him. Was behind it 100%. But I still believe he assaulted that girl. Just my opionin based in the evidence that is out there.

And let me add this. I did not judge one way or the other on Hardy's guilt until I heard the evidence and that the judge found him guilty.

 

[Nightman]

This has been discussed to the utmost so for me to comment again is probably crazy. But here you go.

You do know that a trail judge heard all the evidence that you speak of and more, and he was convinced that Hardy was guilty. So he found him guilty. Yes he is not guilty on appeal, but would he have been if the girl didn't get paid. Hmmmmm.

So with that being said I am one that believes he did assault that girl. It could have been she was attacking him out of rage and he went overboard in defending himself or whatever. But that first judge who heard all the evidence for Hardy and against Hardy, found him guilty.

Now with that said, I do believe in second chances and Hardy did pay the price as he was punished. And with me believing in second chances I wanted the Cowboys to sign him. Was behind it 100%. But I still believe he assaulted that girl. Just my opionin based in the evidence that out there.

And let me add this. I did not judge one way or the other on Hardy's guilt until I heard the evidence and that the judge found him guilty.

I am sorry but your interpretation of a trial and a judge's verdict is completely wrong..it was just a preliminary hearing to settle the easy cases...it was also based on lies that were hidden from the defense....when the defense got all the evidence through discovery it was revealed that the DA hid key exculpatory evidence and the Ms Holder was generally untrustworthy as a witness....when confronted with this proof of prosecutorial misconduct they immediately dropped all charges

ps- the bench trial judge was also a woman that made being tough on DV a platform of re-election campaign

 

[bsbellomy]

This chick just wants money. Lol she even has #stopdomesticviolence on her instagram, she is really trying to sell this

I seriously hope the that.neither the Cowboys or Elliot give her one cent. This is a ridiculous ploy to get money from someone with the best tactic the know to.succeed with

 

[zrinkill]

I am sorry but your interpretation of a trial and a judge's verdict is completely wrong..it was just a preliminary hearing to settle the easy cases...it was also based on lies that were hidden from the defense....when the defense got all the evidence through discovery it was revealed that the DA hid key exculpatory evidence and the Ms Holder was generally untrustworthy as a witness....when confronted with this proof of prosecutorial misconduct they immediately dropped all charges

ps- the bench trial judge was also a woman that made being tough on DV a platform of re-election campaign

Sigh ......

On July 15, 2014, a bench trial (which is a trial by judge as opposed to by jury) was held and after 10 hours of depositions that featured some ridiculous testimony, Hardy was found guilty, with Mecklenburg District Judge Becky Thorne Tin announcing the verdict by stressing, “The court is entirely convinced Hardy is guilty of assault on a female and communicating threats.”

However, immediately after the conviction, Hardy’s attorneys announced that he would be exercising his right under North Carolina law to appeal the conviction and be tried by a jury in Superior Court. This set aside the conviction and the sentence, and a jury trial was eventually scheduled for November 17, 2014. The Panthers, who had previously been working on signing Hardy to a long-term deal, said that they would wait until after the trial to decide on any punishments, and Hardy even played in the Panthers’ season opener at Tampa Bay, recording four tackles and a sack.

According to District Attorney R. Andrew Murray, during the months in between the bench trial where Hardy was found guilty and the jury trial that was scheduled for his appeal, Nicole Holder “made herself completely unavailable to the Mecklenburg District Attorney’s Office,” even though his office and law enforcement across North Carolina conducted a thorough search for her. They even went so far as “conducting surveillance of a new residence where she was believed to be living.” Her relatives and her lawyer refused to help as well, though Holder could be found on Facebook during that time, with pictures showing her in Colorado, New York, Paris, and Charlotte.

If that sounds a little weird, it won’t when you hear that Murray also noted:

The State further has reliable information that Ms. Holder has reached a civil settlement with the Defendant.

In other words, Hardy paid Holder off

With no alleged victim coming forth to testify, the District Attorney’s office only had Holder’s prior statement and her District Court testimony9 to rely on, and because of inconsistencies between the two accounts, the State concluded that “in [Holder’s] absence, it did not have sufficient legal basis upon which to introduce the initial statement she provided to law enforcement.”

As Charlotte defense attorney George Laughrun explained to the the Raleigh News & Observer, to enter an unavailable witness’ prior testimony and statements as evidence, prosecutors have to vouch for its truthfulness.

With that, the case was dismissed and on November 5, 2015, the domestic violence charges against Hardy were officially expunged from his record.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

I am sorry but your interpretation of a trial and a judge's verdict is completely wrong..it was just a preliminary hearing to settle the easy cases...it was also based on lies that were hidden from the defense....when the defense got all the evidence through discovery it was revealed that the DA hid key exculpatory evidence and the Ms Holder was generally untrustworthy as a witness....when confronted with this proof of prosecutorial misconduct they immediately dropped all charges

ps- the bench trial judge was also a woman that made being tough on DV a platform of re-election campaign

Bk I'm sorry but you are wrong in a few areas. First it wasn't preliminary hearing. He was found guilty of assault and threatening to kill Holder.

Secondly there was no prosecutorial misconduct. That's a criminal offense and did not happen. Where did you hear the DA hide key evidence. Not sure where you got that from. What did happen is that the prosecutor did not cross reference Holders statement to police and then later to them. That's not misconduct but "prosecutor bunglement".

But with that being said, if Holder did show up and there was a second trial, experts think that there was inconsistencies in Holders statements that might have prevented the prosecutor from preceding with the second trial on appeal.

All of what I just stated is confirmed in the link below.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/latest-news/article10422650.html

Either way we can agree to disagree and I'll just move on from this forever.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

Sigh ......

On July 15, 2014, a bench trial (which is a trial by judge as opposed to by jury) was held and after 10 hours of depositions that featured some ridiculous testimony, Hardy was found guilty, with Mecklenburg District Judge Becky Thorne Tin announcing the verdict by stressing, “The court is entirely convinced Hardy is guilty of assault on a female and communicating threats.”

However, immediately after the conviction, Hardy’s attorneys announced that he would be exercising his right under North Carolina law to appeal the conviction and be tried by a jury in Superior Court. This set aside the conviction and the sentence, and a jury trial was eventually scheduled for November 17, 2014. The Panthers, who had previously been working on signing Hardy to a long-term deal, said that they would wait until after the trial to decide on any punishments, and Hardy even played in the Panthers’ season opener at Tampa Bay, recording four tackles and a sack.

According to District Attorney R. Andrew Murray, during the months in between the bench trial where Hardy was found guilty and the jury trial that was scheduled for his appeal, Nicole Holder “made herself completely unavailable to the Mecklenburg District Attorney’s Office,” even though his office and law enforcement across North Carolina conducted a thorough search for her. They even went so far as “conducting surveillance of a new residence where she was believed to be living.” Her relatives and her lawyer refused to help as well, though Holder could be found on Facebook during that time, with pictures showing her in Colorado, New York, Paris, and Charlotte.

If that sounds a little weird, it won’t when you hear that Murray also noted:

The State further has reliable information that Ms. Holder has reached a civil settlement with the Defendant.

In other words, Hardy paid Holder off

With no alleged victim coming forth to testify, the District Attorney’s office only had Holder’s prior statement and her District Court testimony9 to rely on, and because of inconsistencies between the two accounts, the State concluded that “in [Holder’s] absence, it did not have sufficient legal basis upon which to introduce the initial statement she provided to law enforcement.”

As Charlotte defense attorney George Laughrun explained to the the Raleigh News & Observer, to enter an unavailable witness’ prior testimony and statements as evidence, prosecutors have to vouch for its truthfulness.

With that, the case was dismissed and on November 5, 2015, the domestic violence charges against Hardy were officially expunged from his record.

Thank you Zrinkill!

 

[Nightman]

Sigh ......

On July 15, 2014, a bench trial (which is a trial by judge as opposed to by jury) was held and after 10 hours of depositions that featured some ridiculous testimony, Hardy was found guilty, with Mecklenburg District Judge Becky Thorne Tin announcing the verdict by stressing, “The court is entirely convinced Hardy is guilty of assault on a female and communicating threats.”

However, immediately after the conviction, Hardy’s attorneys announced that he would be exercising his right under North Carolina law to appeal the conviction and be tried by a jury in Superior Court. This set aside the conviction and the sentence, and a jury trial was eventually scheduled for November 17, 2014. The Panthers, who had previously been working on signing Hardy to a long-term deal, said that they would wait until after the trial to decide on any punishments, and Hardy even played in the Panthers’ season opener at Tampa Bay, recording four tackles and a sack.

According to District Attorney R. Andrew Murray, during the months in between the bench trial where Hardy was found guilty and the jury trial that was scheduled for his appeal, Nicole Holder “made herself completely unavailable to the Mecklenburg District Attorney’s Office,” even though his office and law enforcement across North Carolina conducted a thorough search for her. They even went so far as “conducting surveillance of a new residence where she was believed to be living.” Her relatives and her lawyer refused to help as well, though Holder could be found on Facebook during that time, with pictures showing her in Colorado, New York, Paris, and Charlotte.

If that sounds a little weird, it won’t when you hear that Murray also noted:

The State further has reliable information that Ms. Holder has reached a civil settlement with the Defendant.

In other words, Hardy paid Holder off

With no alleged victim coming forth to testify, the District Attorney’s office only had Holder’s prior statement and her District Court testimony9 to rely on, and because of inconsistencies between the two accounts, the State concluded that “in [Holder’s] absence, it did not have sufficient legal basis upon which to introduce the initial statement she provided to law enforcement.”

As Charlotte defense attorney George Laughrun explained to the the Raleigh News & Observer, to enter an unavailable witness’ prior testimony and statements as evidence, prosecutors have to vouch for its truthfulness.

With that, the case was dismissed and on November 5, 2015, the domestic violence charges against Hardy were officially expunged from his record.

for the millionth time......the bench trial is meaningless.....

thanks but no thanks....I have read it all and there is no evidence of a settlement and even if there was it would only prove that she was a gold digger and not a fatal attraction

I don't care to rehash the entire Hardy case again but if you insist on posting errors I will continue to correct them....my main point is that the 2 cases are so similar it is scary yet one guy will be embraced and the other will be blackballed because he is strange

 

[Nightman]

Bk I'm sorry but you are wrong in a few areas. First it wasn't preliminary hearing. He was found guilty of assault and threatening to kill Holder.

Secondly there was no prosecutorial misconduct. That's a criminal offense and did not happen. Where did you hear the DA hide key evidence. Not sure where you got that from. What did happen is that the prosecutor did not cross reference Holders statement to police and then later to them. That's not misconduct but "prosecutor bunglement".

But with that being said, if Holder did show up and there was a second trial, experts think that there was inconsistencies in Holders statements that might have prevented the prosecutor from preceding with the second trial on appeal.

All of what I just stated is confirmed in the link below.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/latest-news/article10422650.html

Either way we can agree to disagree and I'll just move on from this forever.

you didn't even know the bench trial judge was a woman...your knowledge of the case is very limited and your insistence on relying on the bench trial shows much you don't know about the NC courts

 

[erod]

Political hangout facilities?

That's just anti intellectual bs.

I work at a university. I've had maybe one conversation about politics in the past year. Yet about 500 conversations about how to analyze data, improve writing, explain complex analyses to non-experts, and use various widely used software packages.

That's what actually goes on. Very different from your fantasy.

As I said, there's a huge disparity. I've hired kids with MBAs that couldn't build a spreadsheet or understand a budget.

 

[speedkilz88]

As I said, there's a huge disparity. I've hired kids with MBAs that couldn't build a spreadsheet or understand a budget.

And now they've been elected to Congress.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

you didn't even know the bench trial judge was a woman...your knowledge of the case is very limited and your insistence on relying on the bench trial shows much you don't know about the NC courts

What the hell does the fact that the judge was a woman has to do with it. Are you saying she was biased? That's a strong accusation. And you are correct, I have limited knowledge of NC judicuary system but I am smart enough to rely on the court reporters to enlighten me. They say he was found guilty. And you are so set in your opinin that the facts stated in numerous articles written from people more in touch with what's happen.......you know what, never mind!

 

[Little Jr]

bk I wish you would stick with salary cap and actual football stuff instead of law stuff lol. You're more knowledgeable in football than law.

 

[Nightman]

What the hell does the fact that the judge was a woman has to do with it. Are you saying she was biased? That's a strong accusation. And you are correct, I have limited knowledge of NC judicuary system but I am smart enough to rely on the court reporters to enlighten me. They say he was found guilty. And you are so set in your opinin that the facts stated in numerous articles written from people more in touch with what's happen.......you know what, never mind!

You said 'he' several times....I was correcting that....I did also state that she was very anti-DV publicly...she was not going to dismiss the charges against the most famous person in her court knowing that a guilty verdict would instantly be rendered meaningless....

-NC Bench trials are non-binding arbitration
-they weed out the weak cases or the easy cases
-they don't even use court reporters or keep notes
-you keep using terms like verdict and appeal like they apply to other courts and it just is not the same
-when a person 'appeals' a bench trial verdict it no longer matters...they get their constitutional guaranteed right to due process and a jury trial...they even have to be arraigned again...the bench trial 'verdict' is completely discarded...that is why when the charges were dropped they don't revert back to the bench trial's finding...it was like it NEVER happened....it has no standing and should not be used against Hardy in any way

-anyone that talks about a settlement is just speculating, so again that is not some kind of smoking gun

 

[Nightman]

bk I wish you would stick with salary cap and actual football stuff instead of law stuff lol. You're more knowledgeable in football than law.

and yet you can't find one thing incorrect about what I said

 

[phildadon86]

Jalen Ramsey

http://lottimpacttrophy.org/fsus-ja...-he-lives-life-in-an-effort-to-please-others/

Paul Perkins will be a better NFL running back then Elliott and we could have had him after loading up with players needed at other positions.

Give it a rest

 

[jobberone]

I think we've heard enough of the Hardy case for several lifetimes....for several people. I get the comparison.

Let's get back on the topic of EE or has this thread reached the end?

 

[zrinkill]

for the millionth time......the bench trial is meaningless.....

thanks but no thanks....I have read it all and there is no evidence of a settlement and even if there was it would only prove that she was a gold digger and not a fatal attraction

I don't care to rehash the entire Hardy case again but if you insist on posting errors I will continue to correct them....my main point is that the 2 cases are so similar it is scary yet one guy will be embraced and the other will be blackballed because he is strange

You are full of it ...... Everything I posted was factual.

They are not similar at all ....... and your hero worship of that ******** thug is sickening.

 

[zrinkill]

I think we've heard enough of the Hardy case for several lifetimes....for several people. I get the comparison.

Let's get back on the topic of EE or has this thread reached the end?

Sorry Jbberone ...... I am done ........ cant argue with someone who ignores the truth.