ZONERS: Bob Lilly or Randy White?
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burmafrd;1570144 said:
Martin was the better pass-rusher but Andrie was better against the run. I think most people tend to focus too much on pass-rushing ability when comparing players.
Martin is our all-time leader in sacks (113 is the number I found) but Andrie was certainly no slouch in that department. The NFL didn't keep records of individual sacks back then and even Martin's totals are not "official", as they started keeping track in 1982, but if they did we would find that Andrie isn't far behind Martin in career sacks.
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Stautner;1570687 said:
They didn't start keeping individual sacks officially until 1982. That said, there are some sites that list "unofficial" sacks for many players. I know Deacon Jones has/had a site that lists several of the sack leaders where he (or someone) has gone back and looked at film to determine how many sacks some of the great players had, mostly to support Deacon's claims that he is the true all-time sack leader.
Harvey Martin is credited as the Cowboys' all-time sack leader with 113 but he played most of his career before they started keeping official records of sacks so I don't know where they got the info from. Jethro Pugh is credited with having 17 sacks one year in the late 60s, again I don't know where they got that info from.
So if anyone knows of a site where some of this info is available I would be grateful.
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I don't care what 5Stars says. It's Mary Anne and that's that.CoCo;1570709 said:
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Gotta go for Lilly since I know Bob Jr.
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Stautner;1570716 said:
Lilly or Randy White? Yep. sure does
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Randy White, a 6-4, 257-pound All-America defensive end at the University of Maryland in 1974, was the Dallas Cowboys' first pick and the second player selected in the 1975 National Football League Draft.
For the first two seasons he was tested at the middle linebacker position but he didn't develop into a super-star until his third season, when he became the starting right defensive tackle on a permanent basis. For the remainder of his 14- season, 209-game NFL career, White was an outstanding anchor of the Cowboys' excellent defensive line.
White capped his first season as a regular by being named as the co-Most Valuable Player in the Cowboys' 27-10 win over the Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XII. That year he began a string of nine straight seasons running through 1985 as an All-Pro selection. He also was named to nine straight Pro Bowls during that span.
In 1978, White was named the NFC Defensive Player of the Year. What set Randy apart from the other Cowboys was not his ability to make big plays but his consistency and his willingness to work hard. At practice, his teammates would suffer just trying to keep up with him.
Blessed with all the traits for a great defensive lineman – quickness, balance, toughness, ability, desire, intelligence and durability – White missed only one game in 14 seasons. He played in 209 regular season games, at the time of his election to the Hall of Fame in 1994, the second most by any Cowboy in history. White played in three Super Bowls and six NFC championship games. He recorded four sacks in the three Super Bowls, including two in Super Bowl X against Pittsburgh. In his regular season career, White was credited with 1,104 tackles, 701 solo tackles and 111 sacks.
For the first two seasons he was tested at the middle linebacker position but he didn't develop into a super-star until his third season, when he became the starting right defensive tackle on a permanent basis. For the remainder of his 14- season, 209-game NFL career, White was an outstanding anchor of the Cowboys' excellent defensive line.
White capped his first season as a regular by being named as the co-Most Valuable Player in the Cowboys' 27-10 win over the Denver Broncos in Super Bowl XII. That year he began a string of nine straight seasons running through 1985 as an All-Pro selection. He also was named to nine straight Pro Bowls during that span.
In 1978, White was named the NFC Defensive Player of the Year. What set Randy apart from the other Cowboys was not his ability to make big plays but his consistency and his willingness to work hard. At practice, his teammates would suffer just trying to keep up with him.
Blessed with all the traits for a great defensive lineman – quickness, balance, toughness, ability, desire, intelligence and durability – White missed only one game in 14 seasons. He played in 209 regular season games, at the time of his election to the Hall of Fame in 1994, the second most by any Cowboy in history. White played in three Super Bowls and six NFC championship games. He recorded four sacks in the three Super Bowls, including two in Super Bowl X against Pittsburgh. In his regular season career, White was credited with 1,104 tackles, 701 solo tackles and 111 sacks.
