The Daklemma

[Runwildboys]

As a Dak supporter I would never wish this. But if Dak had some freakish season ending/offseason injury, I think it would put a ton into perspective.

It certainly would. It'd be like when Romo got hurt and we had to depend on crappy backups who couldn't win a thing.

 

[Diehardblues]

It doesn’t matter . Dakturd isn’t going anywhere.

Jethro and Son hired Fat Mikey and retained the Pizza Boy to carry this Turd to a championship.

All Aboard. SB or Bust. Lol

 

[Runwildboys]

A little banged up? Please, don't let your bias get in the way of your judgment. Like I said before, show me when any other QB has thrown well having to play with a torn shoulder in his throwing arm and a fractured index finger in his throwing hand all at the same time?

Honestly, I don't see that his shoulder was bothering him much when he overthrew 4(?) long bombs in that games. He also threw behind the receivers several times, which had nothing to do with arm strength, but had everything to do with timing and accuracy.

He started the season very strong, and not just because of the weaker teams. You could tell that his footwork, mechanics, decision making, and accuracy had improved considerably. I hope Big Mike and Co. can help him get that back on a more consistent basis.

 

[Runwildboys]

Yes it is but which ones are we going to criticize for going for the gold? There are no players that care about what the team can field or what they will have to do if they get their deal. They're all like Flacco, full of crap. Prescott is the same way, saying everybody can get paid. Did he take any math classes?

I don't know if pro athletes really ever cared about the team but I sure as hell know none do now. But I am not going to criticize them, I would be just like them. The system is built to support and sustain greed.

Well I really, really hate to bring this up...but didn't Brady take a team friendly deal so he could have a better supporting cast? Sure, his wife makes more than he does, but greedy people don't think like that.

 

[Redball Express]

JJ can pay McCarthy as much as he wants without affecting the salary cap. Other than that, I'm with ya.

Yeah..

I wonder what Jerrah paid Garrett when he let him go.

Must have been some sort of Golden Parachute involved there.

Maybe not. Jerrah seems generous with his favorites.

The way he flew to NY after the release may have been a clue.

Jerrah may have had a hand in that hire somehow. Can't really know.

Just glad he is gone. No more dealing with on the job training with Garrett. He was blowing my mind with him starting to suddenly going for 4th and 2s, etc.

Often inside our own 40. He was getting spooky.

 

[CouchCoach]

I'd take Derek and march full speed ahead. That's a dream scenario almost like playing Madden.

Yep, Prescott isn't 75% better than Carr.

 

[xwalker]

Yes, I know, not another Dak thread but this one isn't about paying him or tagging him, it is all based one person's perspective, Big Mike. He has seen first hand what a high % of the cap to the QB can do and he had Tier 1 QB's.

Whether you are a Dakster or Dakater, I think most will agree, he is not a lifter, he needs talent on the field with him as we've seen when the RB1 was missing and there was no WR1.

So if you are this HC, with his experience with QB and salaries, where is the breaking point with Prescott as his QB1? What will paying a 2nd Tier QB 1st Tier money do to his ability to build around him and the D is building around him.

It's not lost on him what they're paying the OL and RB now and he's probably watched a lot of college QB's this past season doing some scouting and evaluating.

I do not doubt he likes Prescott but how much? Does he like him Rodgers, Ryan and Wilson money?

The market has a lot to do with this but if what they do the deal now that puts him in the top 3 now but barely in the top 10 in 2022 and he's not really a top 10 QB?

It is most certainly a dilemma with a QB that you know you need to put the pieces around him but his salary prevents that except for 1st contract players.

The HC's thinking on this is one perspective. Consider the Joneses. What have they said is their biggest regret during the Romo years? Putting the pieces around him.

The other dilemma is the effect of tagging the QB. New HC in his first year and QB maybe in his final. And the assignment is to be better than 2019, the expectations with this hire are as high as they could be from the FO.

And the ultimate dilemma, what's the message tagging sends to the QB, belief or doubt? This is not his first negotiation, the called the last one off with no deal. And the rest of the offense, how do they read a tagging?

No team in the NFL is facing the textbook "damned if you do and damned if you don't" like the Cowboys are this offseason.

Can we stop with the "Big Mike" references. Thar sounds almost as dumb as the poster that calls Jerry booger.

Dak is staying. End of story. If they don't win big with Dak Mike McCarthy won't be here long. Stephen Jones hired McCarthy SJ hates not getting a good ROI.

FYI - Aikman struggled when the surrounding talent declined.

No QB on a Garrett team is going to be great without great talent around him.

 

[CouchCoach]

Well I really, really hate to bring this up...but didn't Brady take a team friendly deal so he could have a better supporting cast? Sure, his wife makes more than he does, but greedy people don't think like that.

He took that team friendly deal in order to strike a compromise with Belichick and not get traded. He took less cap, they traded Garoppolo and I was surprised to see Kraft comment on it and say "Tom didn't have much of a choice". Brady had to give them something in order to stay a Patriot and back then, it was a much better team.

Belichick scared the hell out of players because he'd trade any player. He knew his DE, Chandler Jones, and LB, Jamie Collins, were going to cost him more than would fit into his plans so he traded them at the top of their game. No one was safe with him. The reason he's been the only one to master the cap era is because the roster is never set. He's never about one player, even the GOAT QB, and doesn't agree with those that think his success is all due to Brady.

Brady's comment about his wife was tongue in cheek, he wasn't happy Kraft made that comment. Bad enough Belichick would use him too often to point out mistakes, he had to face the facts he took way less than his value. However, that did cement his legacy in the game.

 

[CouchCoach]

Can we stop with the "Big Mike" references. Thar sounds almost as dumb as the poster that calls Jerry booger.

Dak is staying. End of story. If they don't win big with Dak Mike McCarthy won't be here long. Stephen Jones hired McCarthy SJ hates not getting a good ROI.

FYI - Aikman struggled when the surrounding talent declined.

No QB on a Garrett team is going to be great without great talent around him.

Yeah, who calls him Booger? I stopped calling him Big Mike but it wasn't a slam, actually a term of affection but Greg had to go and call him fat. He will be McC from here on out. And Booger will be........Booger.

 

[Runwildboys]

He took that team friendly deal in order to strike a compromise with Belichick and not get traded. He took less cap, they traded Garoppolo and I was surprised to see Kraft comment on it and say "Tom didn't have much of a choice". Brady had to give them something in order to stay a Patriot and back then, it was a much better team.

Belichick scared the hell out of players because he'd trade any player. He knew his DE, Chandler Jones, and LB, Jamie Collins, were going to cost him more than would fit into his plans so he traded them at the top of their game. No one was safe with him. The reason he's been the only one to master the cap era is because the roster is never set. He's never about one player, even the GOAT QB, and doesn't agree with those that think his success is all due to Brady.

Brady's comment about his wife was tongue in cheek, he wasn't happy Kraft made that comment. Bad enough Belichick would use him too often to point out mistakes, he had to face the facts he took way less than his value. However, that did cement his legacy in the game.

I wasn't aware his spot on the Patriots was ever in peril, but even if it was, I'm sure there would've been plenty of other teams willing to pay him much more.

 

[Runwildboys]

Can we stop with the "Big Mike" references. Thar sounds almost as dumb as the poster that calls Jerry booger.

Dak is staying. End of story. If they don't win big with Dak Mike McCarthy won't be here long. Stephen Jones hired McCarthy SJ hates not getting a good ROI.

FYI - Aikman struggled when the surrounding talent declined.

No QB on a Garrett team is going to be great without great talent around him.

Two things: First, I don't see a problem with Big Mike as a nickname. It's not meant to be derogatory, like Fat Mike.

Second, you just quoted the poster who calls Jerry Booger. What are the odds, right?

No offense meant toward you, please don't take it that way.

 

[xwalker]

Two things: First, I don't see a problem with Big Mike as a nickname. It's not meant to be derogatory, like Fat Mike.

Second, you just quoted the poster who calls Jerry Booger. What are the odds, right?

No offense meant toward you, please don't take it that way.

Maybe he can at least coach 1 preseason game before we break out the nicknames.

Is it the same poster...I try to forget dumb stuff that people post or at least forget who posts which dumb stuff.

 

[xwalker]

Yeah, who calls him Booger? I stopped calling him Big Mike but it wasn't a slam, actually a term of affection but Greg had to go and call him fat. He will be McC from here on out. And Booger will be........Booger.

Those nicknames...

 

[Ranched]

I'd take Derek and march full speed ahead. That's a dream scenario almost like playing Madden.

So no Raiders fan the past 3 years.

 

[Scotman]

Maybe not but if you cripple your ability to build a team because of a massive contract your boat sinks anyway.

I agree. I don't think Jerry is thinking long term, though.

 

[unionjack8]

I haven't read this thread, it's too long.

For me, bottom line, if we pay dak over 30 then we wont win a SB. He isnt good enough to elevate those around him, like mahomes, to another level....

 

[fivetwos]

Can we stop with the "Big Mike" references. Thar sounds almost as dumb as the poster that calls Jerry booger.

Dak is staying. End of story. If they don't win big with Dak Mike McCarthy won't be here long. Stephen Jones hired McCarthy SJ hates not getting a good ROI.

FYI - Aikman struggled when the surrounding talent declined.

No QB on a Garrett team is going to be great without great talent around him.

Same guy, and that's tremendous.

 

[KMY_Amber]

Can we stop with the "Big Mike" references. Thar sounds almost as dumb as the poster that calls Jerry booger.

Dak is staying. End of story. If they don't win big with Dak Mike McCarthy won't be here long. Stephen Jones hired McCarthy SJ hates not getting a good ROI.

FYI - Aikman struggled when the surrounding talent declined.

No QB on a Garrett team is going to be great without great talent around him.

I tend to agree. You put Mahomes on the Cowboys, and I don't think the Cowboys go to the Superbowl with Garrett at the helm and this roster. They still struggle. Sure, they could eek out a few more victories, and win the division, but I don't even see a deep playoff run with him on the Cowboys. Garrett and the current roster would still hold him back. I simply think the Cowboys roster is overrated.

Yes, Dak needs to be surrounded by talent to win, but so do others like Mahomes, Garropolo (sp?), and even Brees and Rodgers (who have immense talent and have only one ONE Superbowl each).

So, no, I don't want to overpay for Dak, because he like everyone else, there needs to be enough left to keep some key talent. But he's a solid QB and a solid leader, and if you put some more talent and better coaching around him, I think he could excel.

Dallas needs a good draft and a good offseason to bring a few more good players, because I see holes in the Dee line, the LB core, the secondary, Witten needs to go, likely need another WR, and how about the o-line? There's a lot of OK players wearing the Star, so McCarthy needs to restock the cupboard with depth and some key acquisitions.

 

[jaythecowboy]

Not a question of just liking him. I like him but at 33-35M and hamstringing this team with talent around him, I don't like him so much anymore.

That is the delimma, if I didn't like him, there would be no delimma, you are correct. It's not a question of liking him, it's how much do I like him. I like him a lot better at Cousins and Garoppolo money than Wilson and Rodgers money.

Garropollo and Cousins were both the highest paid when they signed their deal

 

[America's Cowboy]

Well I really, really hate to bring this up...but didn't Brady take a team friendly deal so he could have a better supporting cast? Sure, his wife makes more than he does, but greedy people don't think like that.

Aug. 4, 2019

Brady signed a two-year, $70 million contract extension with the Patriots.

That's a $35 million/year deal. Is this what one calls a team friendly deal? I guess one can hide the salary hit by committing a good portion of that to a signing bonus, but it still doesn't change the fact it comes out to being over $30+ mil/season, right?