Derrick Brown possibly being on the board at 17

[dallas72]

I like the player.. I just don’t put premium value on what he does..

The Marinelli system flat out wouldn’t want him.. I still want him.

In this salary cap game you can find what he does for cheap.. Maybe Snacks Harrison is available again since the NFL doesn’t value one of their better run stuffers.

Amari Cooper? How did he get brought into this? I’ve been Pom Pom’ing Byron Jones on this forum.

The problem with Cooper is our QB isn’t good without him and his plays directly effects our W & L column.

Why Byron...he doesnt rotate sides & seldom covers the #1 WRs w 0 ints....I'd rather sign C Harris jr..he rotates & plays slot & is 10x better and cheaper ..as far as you stating noone runs the ball so u dont need run stuffers?...49ers run 1st team were in SB, Titans, Packers, Vikings, Ravens, Bill's all playoff teams ..all run 1st offense...you obviously dont understand NFL

 

[dallas72]

You guys still think in terms of old NFL football..

It’s a passing league.. Do you think Patrick Mahomes cares 1 bit about a guy that stops the run.

When teams run the ball it’s a win for the defense. Running doesn’t lead to points. It’s a passing league.

Right Top passes in 2019..Winson, Dak = 0 playoffs
Ravens, Titans, Bill's, Packers, Vikings, 49ers, Seattle...all built around the running g game all made playoffs...& 49ers should of won SB if they kept to running it....so once again u dont understand NFL

 

[RS12]

there are a few posters on CZ who don’t understand football and keep arguing against drafting or signing DTs and keep wanting to build a team of WRs and CBs only

best to leave them to their ignorance

Hello.

 

[RS12]

A true dominate run stuffing, massive NT is certainly worth a 1st round selection. The Packers drafted B.J. Raji in the top 10, Vince Wilfork was in the top 20 to name a few. Nolan wants to run more of a hybrid scheme, finding a true NT is priority #1.

I dont think he has the pieces anywhere in the front 7 to effectively run a productive 3-4. I much prefer a 4-3 personally.

 

[RS12]

You guys still think in terms of old NFL football..

It’s a passing league.. Do you think Patrick Mahomes cares 1 bit about a guy that stops the run.

When teams run the ball it’s a win for the defense. Running doesn’t lead to points. It’s a passing league.

Speaking of old school did you happen to notice both teams who made the SB this year had a much better DLine than we did, particularly in the middle. Did you also happen to notice one had a QB no better than us. Point being defense still matters a whole lot.

 

[Flamma]

If Brown is there at 17 and we pass on him, we are the dumbest franchise in the NFL, hands down.

This dude is a disruptive stud. Really don't understand how anyone can see it any other way. What is someone worried about, the forty time for a DT? Really? Man, do some research.

I'm fairly certain we won't have to worry about that.

 

[beware_d-ware]

SF had four top 15 picks and a $90M free agent all dedicated to rushing Patrick Mahomes. That's about the most resources you can invest in pass rush and it didn't make a difference. Dude is on a different level.

It's a bit like saying Kenneth Murray runs a 4.52 while Lamar Jackson probably runs like a high 4.3, Murray couldn't contain Jackson on an RPO so why draft him. f you judge rookies up against MVPs, they're all going to look bad.

 

[CATCH17]

there are a few posters on CZ who don’t understand football and keep arguing against drafting or signing DTs and keep wanting to build a team of WRs and CBs only

best to leave them to their ignorance

Well if you’re referring to me you would be wrong.

I just said I value Kinlaw and his ability over Derrick Brown and his ability.

I’ve also said that I would love to have Derrick Brown on the team but I just hate that it comes at the expense of a 1 when he doesn’t provide pass rush.

 

[CATCH17]

Speaking of old school did you happen to notice both teams who made the SB this year had a much better DLine than we did, particularly in the middle. Did you also happen to notice one had a QB no better than us. Point being defense still matters a whole lot.

Yeah I’m all for upgrading the Dline.

This website amazes me sometimes.. I say I don’t value Run stuffing DTs with premium draft picks and you guys run with it as I’m Anti Dline lol. My gosh.

I want pressure players on the Dline and go find some random guy in Free Agency to stop the run.

The problem with Rod is he wouldn’t even sign a big guy like that.

 

[Sully]

I think this is a realistic possibility at this point.

I always felt he was overrated in terms of what he is good at and the value that provides to the team. Me personally I wouldn't draft a run stuffing D Tackle in the 1st round. I feel like you can get a veteran version of this player cheap in Free Agency.

He had a bad combine and I don't see him being a pressure player at the next level.

IMO Kinlaw is the #1 DT in this draft because he can put heat on the QB.



So.. If we get to draft day and Brown is on the board what do you do? Draft him and accept that he will not be much of a difference maker?

No way he is there @ 17. He will be gone in the Top 10

 

[CATCH17]

No way he is there @ 17. He will be gone in the Top 10

He may be falling.

Bad combine and not a pressure player.

I won’t go as far as saying he is there at 17 but at this point it won’t surprise me.

 

[jjktkk]

there are a few posters on CZ like me who don’t understand football

Well its nice to see you finally admit this. I'm sure myself and others on here will me more than happy to help you understand the finer points of football.

 

[Cowboyny]

I dont think he has the pieces anywhere in the front 7 to effectively run a productive 3-4. I much prefer a 4-3 personally.

I believe DLaw/Quinn are better suited in the 4 man alignment, that's why they will stay with that base. However, we should see different looks on 3rd downs.

 

[Cowboyny]

You guys still think in terms of old NFL football..

It’s a passing league.. Do you think Patrick Mahomes cares 1 bit about a guy that stops the run.

When teams run the ball it’s a win for the defense. Running doesn’t lead to points. It’s a passing league.

When the NT get push inside, it doesn't allow the QB to step up. This will make our defensive ends more successful getting home

 

[ChuckA1]

When the NT get push inside, it doesn't allow the QB to step up. This will make our defensive ends more successful getting home

Seems pretty easy to understand. I wonder why so many disagree with this philosophy? And, if the QB has less time, the DB's don't have to cover so long.

 

[Alexander]

Bad Combine or not, I don't think he makes it past Carolina at 7.

 

[Alexander]

He may be falling.

Bad combine and not a pressure player.

I won’t go as far as saying he is there at 17 but at this point it won’t surprise me.

If he is there at 17 you say yes please and move on knowing you have a strong difference maker on the interior.

 

[stilltheguru]

I think people are underselling Brown as a pass rusher. Its not like hes Snacks Harrison

 

[Alexander]

I think people are underselling Brown as a pass rusher. Its not like hes Snacks Harrison

Interior pass rushers ala Aaron Donald are unicorns.

It all depends on what you ask that they do.

For years, Marinelli sent subpar mediocre players to do what Warren Sapp did.

Thankfully, things will be different.

 

[stilltheguru]

Interior pass rushers ala Aaron Donald are unicorns.

It all depends on what you ask that they do.

For years, Marinelli sent subpar mediocre players to do what Warren Sapp did.

Thankfully, things will be different.

Brown is going to shrink the pocket. Thats good enough for me. Hed be the bpa for sure. Ill take my corner in round 2