BPA WR or highest ranked Defensive player?

bcavi

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I dont think Looney cuts it at all. I dont like Looney. And you can get big time centers in the 2nd round.

Looney was a huge problem in the passing game. Sacks were 56 with Looney and 23 when a 70% frederic returned. Not all on Looney, but he just cant make the calls and help out Williams or hold it together.

I see Looney as a backup hard that can snap the ball. Much more to playing the center then that.

Can we get some left tackle incompetence sprinkled in with this, when Tyron was out? Atlanta.... 6 or 7 sacks. Connor William's too please. Looney was not the liability in my opinion.

You should not overlook McGovern. I am not sure drafting a center would be in our best interest, since we have a redshirt guy waiting in the wings. You would have to strongly assume that player would be a considerable upgrade over what we have.
 

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There are a handful of guys that seem to want one of these top 3 highly ranked WR's as BPA even over some defensive guys that would fill holes. So what would they or anyone else do if these players came up on the board when the Cowboys were up to pick?

And I am not saying all these guys are realistically available.

I will use Ruggs as the #3 WR that potentially falls to the Cowboys.

Ruggs or Chaisson? DE

Ruggs or Fulton CB

Ruggs or Henderson CB

Ruggs or Kinlaw DT

Ruggs or Xavier McKinney SS

Ruggs or Trade Down

Depending on how things fall, I would not be surprised at all if the pick at 17 was one of the offensive tackles, or a do-it-all LB like Murray. I would take either over a WR or safety. Ideally if the usual suspects, Henderson, Kinlaw, and Chassion, are not there I'd hope we try to trade back. Maybe a QB is on the board and NE wants to move up from 23.
 
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Yah, Ok. Never heard that one before.

If there is any one position that is no longer as important its the RB position. And paying one 15 million is even more ridiculous. RB by committee is the way to go these days. Plus you can get RB's on the 2nd day no problem.

They let Jones walk because he simply wasn't worth the money. 1 pick in 5 years? LOL

Ramsey just got traded for two first round picks. Gurley they let go.

Doesn't follow your claim at all.

Gurley’s injury made him a shell of himself. Zeke has never missed a game. And I think you really underestimate the threat he presents to the defense. Committee RBs don’t do that. Anyway, agree to disagree on whether we are a better team the last 4 years and beyond with Zeke over Ramsey.
 

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The center is basically another quarterback on the field. Hopefully with Moore, Dak, Looney, Martin, Smith and Williams all more familiar with each other, they can make the necessary adjustments if we have to start a back-up at C all season.

Bottom line is we now have a hole at center. The all pro is gone and we are forced to start a backup caliber player.
 

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Can we get some left tackle incompetence sprinkled in with this, when Tyron was out? Atlanta.... 6 or 7 sacks. Connor William's too please. Looney was not the liability in my opinion.

You should not overlook McGovern. I am not sure drafting a center would be in our best interest, since we have a redshirt guy waiting in the wings. You would have to strongly assume that player would be a considerable upgrade over what we have.

Looney is a backup. We now have a backup starting at center. Not good. McGovern is a better guard prospect and needs to win the job over Williams.
 

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Gurley’s injury made him a shell of himself. Zeke has never missed a game. And I think you really underestimate the threat he presents to the defense. Committee RBs don’t do that. Anyway, agree to disagree on whether we are a better team the last 4 years and beyond with Zeke over Ramsey.

Zeke was suspended 6 games and is a threat to get suspended again. Like Zeke and what he provides, definitely not worth his contact.

Give me the #1 corner in the NFL over any RB.
 

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Bottom line is we now have a hole at center. The all pro is gone and we are forced to start a backup caliber player.
Who do you think is starting at slot wr? An xfl caliber player..and slot wr Is a starter in the NFL..in MM system, they probably play 70%+ of the snaps
 

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Looney is a backup. We now have a backup starting at center. Not good. McGovern is a better guard prospect and needs to win the job over Williams.

Do you think William's was a better guard than Looney? I don't, but they kept him (Williams) in there. I think our coaching staff was so incompetent that they kept players who were not ready to start in their respective positions purely because of where they were drafted. With that being said, let's see what happens in the draft and training camp and we'll let our current coaches determine who starts, and who serves as backup. Right now, I look at it as a blank slate.
 

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I'm taking Henderson over Chaisson..I have them graded similarly..different pros and cons to their ratings..for me higher floor for Henderson and higher ceiling for Chaisson..but cb, imo, is a much much bigger need
Unless you are Deion I can't justify a CB who won't tackle over a highly coveted DE position and talent like Chaisson.
 

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Considering what we already have on the roster in terms of their exceptional talents, it would need to be a generational talent to justify it. Naturally, that's a matter of opinion as to who might qualify as that exception.
If you're taking purely BPA, position doesn't matter. So, you take a RB to sit on the bench? I'm not getting this idea.
 

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why are we even looking at receiver with our first 3 picks?
Offensive skilled positions make a bigger splash. The best pick for this team is on defense though.

Now trade back and get a 3rd, I'm fine going WR. The Cowboys could get 3 defensive players on day 2. :)
 

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Unless you are Deion I can't justify a CB who won't tackle over a highly coveted DE position and talent like Chaisson.

Chaisson isn't rated that highly..if he was, he'd be a top 3 pick...
 

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Chaisson isn't rated that highly..if he was, he'd be a top 3 pick...
If he hadn't torn his ACL in 2018, he'd be a top 10 easy.

Dude has the tools, of that there is no doubt. His development was slowed majorly by the injury. If he's all the way back, he'd be a steal at 17.
 

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Except for Kinlaw and Chaisson, I'd take Ruggs over everyone else. I really can't argue my point, I'm just going off of YouTube videos and draft bios. I don't watch hardly any college football, so that's my two cents.

I think Chaissom will be a solid but unspectacular player in the NFL. Much like Collins, the guy we drafted in the 3rd. I just don’t see him as a first round pick.
 

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I think Chaissom will be a solid but unspectacular player in the NFL. Much like Collins, the guy we drafted in the 3rd. I just don’t see him as a first round pick.
Even w/ that explosion and vastly superior instincts and hand usage?
 

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I think Chaissom will be a solid but unspectacular player in the NFL. Much like Collins, the guy we drafted in the 3rd. I just don’t see him as a first round pick.

Would you take Epenesa at 17 over Chaisson? If all receivers, Kinlaw, and Henderson are off the board? Epenesa is a beast. Strong dude with good college production, but I hear 17 is too high for him. I'd take him at 17. Chaisson? I really can't argue either or, but on his "highlights", the athleticism really stands out to me, although I've heard he's pretty raw.
 

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Would you take Epenesa at 17 over Chaisson? If all receivers, Kinlaw, and Henderson are off the board? Epenesa is a beast. Strong dude with good college production, but I hear 17 is too high for him. I'd take him at 17. Chaisson? I really can't argue either or, but on his "highlights", the athleticism really stands out to me, although I've heard he's pretty raw.
He is going to grow into a 3-Tech DT.
 
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