Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys are at an impasse over nothing

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I was a critic of Romo too. He rarely put up his best performances against the best teams or in critical and playoff games.

Great QB’s rise to the occasion in these type situations helping change their teams course in history.

I don’t expect average QB’s to take that role but if you are paid Elite then I expect Elite results especially when you’re surrounded with talent.

I’m not impressed just putting up 35 points a game to average to be low average teams . I’m concerned more with how we struggle against the better teams only putting up 15 points a game struggling to score TD’s. That’s not what we should expect from an Elite QB.

And while I might tend to agree Ryan and Wilson aren’t on that Elite level they are closer to it and have led their teams to the brink of championships and a Super Bowl . That matters.

coaching and defense matter. and matter a lot.

KC averaged 35 points a game and tried to win shoot outs, game in, game out in 2018. they fell short....their defense was #31st in the league...in 2019, they averaged 28 pts, but defense was #14.....they won a superbowl…..

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yeah, Dak's one play-off win justifies $28m extra.

that's more than Dalton had all his career. that's more than Wentz had all his career and still got 30 mill.

if that's the only criteria, then all of the QBs are over paid prior to winning any playoff games....

 

[Diehardblues]

coaching and defense matter. and matter a lot.

KC averaged 35 points a game and tried to win shoot outs, game in, game out in 2018. they fell short....their defense was #31st in the league...in 2019, they averaged 28 pts, but defense was #14.....they won a superbowl…..

We definitely could use a better defense but the Chiefs without one were still putting up points against the better teams. Something we struggle with.

How many more games do we win last year if we put up another TD in our 8 losses we only averaged 15 points a game ?

How does a #1 offense only put up 15 points in half of their games?

 

[jazzcat22]

they got to the playoffs having had some really good top 10, top 5 defense.... and in post season, playing against slightly better teams, their offense laid one egg after another...

and I find it funny, you say its a team game, yet, you blame Dak for the 8-8 record last year...… as if defense, special teams, coaching, other offensive players had nothing to do with it..

double standard?

sorry, your spin doesn't make sense.

wow you need to read better. I did not blame Dak for the 8-8 record. Where did you get that. Stop making crap up. I actually said it is a team game, and the let Dak down as they did when Dalton got to the playoffs too.
And wasn’t Dallas D top 10 the past several years?

I think you feel threatened for Dak. I don’t dislike Dak, I actually like him and want him to succeed, but I also see where he needs to improve. I am 60/40 on him if not a bit higher. Maybe 65/35 but not 70/30 yet. I was for awhile. But his performance on the latter games knocked that down. As well as the entire team. The D was a huge letdown though they finished higher in yards given up.

However I can see where Dalton can have success here as well.

 

[Techsass]

Dak Prescott is the game manager with five first round picks around him on offense

If GMs had the chance at a do-over, Dak would be a 1st rounder. So actually six 1st rounders on the O (7 if you want to squeak La'el in there). McCarthy & Moore should be giddy.

I know you want to put Dak down, but neither Goff or Wentz are a full draft round better than Dak.

 

[Diehardblues]

wow you need to read better. I did not blame Dak for the 8-8 record. Where did you get that. Stop making crap up. I actually said it is a team game, and the let Dak down as they did when Dalton got to the playoffs too.
And wasn’t Dallas D top 10 the past several years?

I think you feel threatened for Dak. I don’t dislike Dak, I actually like him and want him to succeed, but I also see where he needs to improve. I am 60/40 on him if not a bit higher. Maybe 65/35 but not 70/30 yet. I was for awhile. But his performance on the latter games knocked that down. As well as the entire team. The D was a huge letdown though they finished higher in yards given up.

However I can see where Dalton can have success here as well.

Dalton is no more than a 9 or 10 wins with the most talented offense in the league. He isn’t taking us any further than Dak. He just provides us to stay afloat if Dak is hurt or holds out. Otherwise our season is over with Rush.

Dak has much more upside than Dalton but we welcome a seasoned veteran as backup and some insurance without Dak.

 

[jazzcat22]

not worried over the competition, because Dak is by far better....I find it funny that Dak detractors now switched to we love Dalton.....having known for months that Burrow will be the top pick by cinci, no one even mentioned a potential trade to get him, now you all are in mad love...prior to that was Keenum, yes, that Keenum who was the fantasy boy of the dak detractors...interesting phenomenon.....

get used to the fact that Dalton is a back up, will be the back up, is nothing better than a back up, all the wishing, arguing in the world, isn't going to make him into anything special.....and that Dak will be the QB of this team and if they agree on the length of the contract, he will be here for a wqhile,

but it will give you guys something to argue against for several years, as you did with Romo, until Romo was gone and now, switching to Dak...

its a never ending cycle with some...they don't like stability

I do not dislike Dak, and I know Dalton was signed to be a backup.
But Dak has not signed yet, so therefore Dalton as the starter is a viable option, finally, for if Dak does not sign.
These conversations would not exists if we still had Rush, Thorsen, DiNucci as the options.

You are reading into things that are not actually said. Read with more comprehension. At least with my posts.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

wow you need to read better. I did not blame Dak for the 8-8 record. Where did you get that. Stop making crap up. I actually said it is a team game, and the let Dak down as they did when Dalton got to the playoffs too.
And wasn’t Dallas D top 10 the past several years?

I think you feel threatened for Dak. I don’t dislike Dak, I actually like him and want him to succeed, but I also see where he needs to improve. I am 60/40 on him if not a bit higher. Maybe 65/35 but not 70/30 yet. I was for awhile. But his performance on the latter games knocked that down. As well as the entire team. The D was a huge letdown though they finished higher in yards given up.

However I can see where Dalton can have success here as well.

I don't feel threatened for Dak, as I don't have emotional attachment. I am a cowboys fan and as a result, want the best opportunity for the team to succeed, and I have my opinions about who will help us do that...tell me if we get Lawrence next year and I will be on a pulpit saying we shouldnt' sign Dak long term...…...I just dont' care about winning a salary cap battle, but be guaranteed to lose...I don't get that mentality.....what for? why, thus arguing the point that Dak gives us a better, much better chance of winning, than will Dalton.....

 

[jazzcat22]

Dalton is no more than a 9 or 10 wins with the most talented offense in the league. He isn’t taking us any further Dak. He just provides us to stay afloat if Dak is hurt or holds out. Otherwise our season is over with Rush.

Dak has much more upside than Dalton but we welcome a seasoned veteran as backup and some insurance without Dak.

I agree, as I never said Dalton would win more games. But he is a good alternative as not to have a losing season.
Dalton can be frustrating just as Dak is, just as Romo was with very untimely interceptions.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I do not dislike Dak, and I know Dalton was signed to be a backup.
But Dak has not signed yet, so therefore Dalton as the starter is a viable option, finally, for if Dak does not sign.
These conversations would not exists if we still had Rush, Thorsen, DiNucci as the options.

You are reading into things that are not actually said. Read with more comprehension. At least with my posts.

oh, I don't disagree. I actually think that there is a chance for Dak to not play the first 6 games. in that case, who would I want to play those 6 games? Rush? or Dalton......Dalton by a mile....but he is not a viable long term option.....by now there is plenty of tape on him and he is what he is....

 

[jazzcat22]

I don't feel threatened for Dak, as I don't have emotional attachment. I am a cowboys fan and as a result, want the best opportunity for the team to succeed, and I have my opinions about who will help us do that...tell me if we get Lawrence next year and I will be on a pulpit saying we shouldnt' sign Dak long term...…...I just dont' care about winning a salary cap battle, but be guaranteed to lose...I don't get that mentality.....what for? why, thus arguing the point that Dak gives us a better, much better chance of winning, than will Dalton.....

I don’t get into the salary cap battle either. It always works itself out. And yes I prefer Dak over Dalton. But Dak is not here right now. I am just saying Dalton can win games for us if need be.

 

[Doomsday101]

I was a critic of Romo too. He rarely put up his best performances against the best teams or in critical and playoff games.

Great QB’s rise to the occasion in these type situations helping change their teams course in history.

I don’t expect average QB’s to take that role but if you are paid Elite then I expect Elite results especially when you’re surrounded with talent.

I’m not impressed just putting up 35 points a game to average to be low average teams . I’m concerned more with how we struggle against the better teams only putting up 15 points a game struggling to score TD’s. That’s not what we should expect from an Elite QB.

And while I might tend to agree Ryan and Wilson aren’t on that Elite level they are closer to it and have led their teams to the brink of championships and a Super Bowl . That matters.

I will say this Wilson numbers when they won the SB are not great, Legion of Boom and a pounding run game got them there. Wilson numbers are better today but Seahawks have not come close to a return trip. Atlanta did make it to the show but outside of that nothing. I do know that Dak put up very good and improved numbers entering the season as one of the lowest paid and said nothing. Does he deserve what he is asking for? Maybe not then again I don't see him as any more greedy than others in the same position. I could sit here and say in my version of pay structure for players should be done a certain way but also see the reality and the 2 are not close, but I accept the reality of the NFL system (after all nothing I can do about it) so unlike some I see no reason to attack Prescott or call him greedy. I still firmly believe the contract will get done before the deadline and then the focus can go back to the upcoming season.

 

[Philmonroe]

Dalton had the benefit of a top 10, top 5 defense in his first 4 years... something Dak never had.....

and the stats aren't similar in the first 4 years.... Dak has thrown 250 more passes or average of 60+more per year or about 4 more passes per game...they have about same number of TD, but Dak has thrown 36 Ints, compared to Dalton's 66. ...Dak has average of 65% completion rate, compared to Dalton's 61%..... and dak has thrown for 1000 more yards over the first four years, average of 250 more per year or 15 more yards per game....those are not similar if you understand QB play and again, benefit of playing with top 10 defense year in year out... Dalton has had 20 game winning drives in his entire career, Dak in 4 years has had 14 game winning drives, 1-2 in the playoffs, vs. 0-5.....

no, those two aren't similar stats....if you think so, then all QBs are similar.....

I’m sure you’re the qb guru even though you’re posting on here right along with me. Like I said lay off the stuff. They’re the same player but yall are too blind or too something else that isn’t nice to say to see it. Spare me the bs their numbers are similar nobody but a Dak worshipper trying to split those numbers and make it seem like Dak some superior qb.

 

[Diehardblues]

I don't feel threatened for Dak, as I don't have emotional attachment. I am a cowboys fan and as a result, want the best opportunity for the team to succeed, and I have my opinions about who will help us do that...tell me if we get Lawrence next year and I will be on a pulpit saying we shouldnt' sign Dak long term...…...I just dont' care about winning a salary cap battle, but be guaranteed to lose...I don't get that mentality.....what for? why, thus arguing the point that Dak gives us a better, much better chance of winning, than will Dalton.....

I agree Dak gives us a better chance to win . And win now. Dalton shouldn’t even be in the discussion.

But the salary cap battle is not just about this year or next year. It’s about several years. And how much we can continue to surround him with this level of talent.

And why so many franchises struggle continuing winning championships after they pay their QB. Especially if it’s Elite money and that QB isn’t enough to carry them without as much supporting cast.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree Dak gives us a better chance to win . And win now. Dalton shouldn’t even be in the discussion.

But the salary cap battle is not just about this year or next year. It’s about several years. And how much we can continue to surround him with this level of talent.

And why so many franchises struggle continuing winning championships after they pay their QB. Especially if it’s Elite money and that QB isn’t enough to carry them without as much supporting cast.

most of those weapons have already had their contracts extended so much of the main talent will be in tact over the next 4 years. We do have Gallup in a couple years and we have LVE and in the meantime the salary cap continues to increase.

 

[Wood]

Weird how Carson Wentz has won zero playoff games.
Mahomes will never make 30-39M. He will make 45+.
Russ signed his deal over a year ago or it would be even larger than it is.

Dak is wildest wet dream couldn't throw team into playoffs like Wentz did with practice squad WR.

 

[Diehardblues]

I will say this Wilson numbers when they won the SB are not great, Legion of Boom and a pounding run game got them there. Wilson numbers are better today but Seahawks have not come close to a return trip. Atlanta did make it to the show but outside of that nothing. I do know that Dak put up very good and improved numbers entering the season as one of the lowest paid and said nothing. Does he deserve what he is asking for? Maybe not then again I don't see him as any more greedy than others in the same position. I could sit here and say in my version of pay structure for players should be done a certain way but also see the reality and the 2 are not close, but I accept the reality of the NFL system (after all nothing I can do about it) so unlike some I see no reason to attack Prescott or call him greedy. I still firmly believe the contract will get done before the deadline and then the focus can go back to the upcoming season.

Those are reasonable arguments.

In the end I think we have to evaluate is Dak at the same level around the league as Elliott is for example in comparisons to his peers at his position.

It’s my opinion based on what I’ve seen and taken in is Dak probably deserves close to top 5-10 money at this time. I don’t think I’d place him at or near the top of the league in talent or performance over his 4 years.

Everyone of course is entitled to their own view. But the offers we’ve made appear to be very fitting to his talent level and where I think even some of his most ardent defenders would place him.

What happens I think is hardcore defenders want to defend him against the more overly critical fans . Most fans I think are more in the middle believing Dak needs to be paid but not the highest paid .

 

[Doomsday101]

Dak is wildest wet dream couldn't throw team into playoffs like Wentz did with practice squad WR.

Does not say much for the Cowboys defense. I agree Dak should not have played in the game coming off the shoulder injury he took the week before. However there was nothing behind him.

 

[Bullflop]

I feel confident that the introduction of Andy Dalton into the QB picture changes Dak's degree of "clout" into a Mexican standoff. Both have quite capable talents and abilities to do the job at hand. For Dak's sake and the sake of the team, I hope he decides to reassess his position and agrees to the terms that seem quite fair for his level of play. Otherwise, he'd possibly be hurting himself and jeopardizing his future in the end. Andy would be more than glad to take his place and the Cowboys might be no worse off for that to happen. They seem to be very close in abilities. Here's hoping both of them serve us well in the future. Dak and his agent have something extremely concerning to think about, imho. Maybe it's high time for Dak to think for himself.

 

[Diehardblues]

most of those weapons have already had their contracts extended so much of the main talent will be in tact over the next 4 years. We do have Gallup in a couple years and we have LVE and in the meantime the salary cap continues to increase.

It’s going to be extremely difficult to build much of a defense with so much Cap invested on offense. And why this QB and offense will have to carry us.

It can’t afford to average 15 points a game to half of its opponents and expect our defense to hold up.