Tank the season to go after Trevor Lawrence at QB? Thread **merged**

[Jake]

In his first year, Prescott threw for 13 touchdowns and 4 interceptions against above-.500 teams and compiled a 6-3 record, including the playoffs. Since then, his touchdown-to-interception ratio is 25-25 and his record as a starter is 6-17. Last year, he had an 8/8 TD/INT ratio and the Cowboys went 1-6 against teams with an above-.500 record.


Oh........uh...against teams with a .500 record or below, Prescott shines. His TD/INT ratio is 64/9 and his record is 29-5. Those are elite stats for sure, but they come against below-average competition. Of course, that's what good quarterbacks do: beat up on bad competition. But putting Prescott in that elite category doesn't fit based on his career performances against better teams thus far.

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/cowboys-dak-prescott-stats-good-teams-contract-01e8w476239v

What I'd be asking myself is how many points did the garbage Dallas calls "defense" allow in those games.

Oh.....uh....stop trying to act clever, (insert derogatory cuss word here). I'm amazed how many "football fans" on this site have no idea what they're watching.

Man, we've got a stupid fan base.

 

[Cebrin]

Forget trying to win Sunday Night. Forget trying to win the division this season. Our Superbowl at this point is Trevor Lawrence..

Unfortunately... We may have watermelon kicked away our chance at an elite quarterback. 2 wins might be too many.

We have a couple of problems.

1. The team pushing these players to try and win these games.

2. The Jets are showing no signs of winning a game.

I'm struggling to find 1 win on this schedule.


Nov. 1 at Kansas City Chiefs
Nov. 9 New England Patriots
BYE
Nov. 22 at Los Angeles Chargers
Nov. 29 Miami Dolphins
Dec. 6 Las Vegas Raiders
Dec. 13 at Seattle Seahawks
Dec. 20 at Los Angeles Rams
Dec. 27 Cleveland Browns
Jan. 3 at New England Patriots

Hopefully the Jets will bring back Darnold and do their best to let him prove his value and the team pulls together and wins 3 games somehow.

Dallas needs to start Ben Dennucci.. Garret Gilbert.. Whoever.. Keep this Oline that might be the worst in history in place and let the defense do the rest.

We also need Justin Fields to have a really good season.. Like hopefully much better than Lawrence type of season. Lawrence struggling wouldn't be the worst thing too to help build the hype for Fields.

Then hopefully on draft day we can do whatever it takes to possibly move up a spot or 2 and get Lawrence. I'm sure Lawrence's agent would put a ton of pressure on the Jets to not select him as well if Dallas and Jerry Jones come calling.



This draft can send us 1 of 2 ways.. We either stay on the path of mediocrity and draft some "stud" defensive guy that has little impact on the outcomes of games or we turn this thing around and bring an electric player inside this building that is so desperately needed.

Right now this franchise needs hope and there is no hope on the way. With Lawrence in the house everything changes.

Potential elite QB for 5 years on a rookie deal is the way forward. Signing Dak and overcoming all of the other obstacles required for him to win a Championship just seems like wishful thinking.

I hope we trade back, and load picks, and players. QB is not the problem for this team.

 

[LovinItAll]

Dak had actually agreed to the $35 mil/year offer. It was the amount of years that he was unhappy about. Dak gave Stephen Jones a handshake promise to agree on the price while work on the length by season's end.

I don't know about handshakes, but I do know he turned down 5 years, $175MM, which is $35MM/yr. I know he wanted a 4 year deal, but that didn't happen, so it's still 'he turned down $35/year'.

My point was that, whatever he was seeking, he'll want more 12 months later based on the team's trajectory. If Dalton had come in and won 10+ games, maybe that would've hurt Dak's negotiating position, but that didn't happen.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I think of building a winner not like Jerry playing favorites just like you. If you would spend 35-40 mill on Dak instead of 7-8 mill on a top 1-3 QB then you are stupid with the needs this team has, Jerry may be just as stupid but it doesn’t matter till the season is over. Think with your brain not your heart

Top 1-3 QB? I'll wait until he plays in the league 1st.

 

[basel90]

For sure, thats why they have to find a way to work the cap with Dak and draft positions that can help imeddiatly, starting with a DT....we can not be the worst run defense in the league every year and expect anything diferent.

Fully agree . Hope Dak has a reasonable approach in the upcoming negotiations. 37 mil cap hit next season will be too painful .

 

[basel90]

Dak had been playing behind the same OTs, LG and C that Dalton was, but was able to lead the #1 offense in the NFL. Losing Martin was big, but even when he was in there, Dalton wasn't able to put a TD on the board.

So while I don't think this oline would not make just any QB look good, I do find it amusing that the oline was not nearly this big of an issue when Dak was playing.

Does that mean they win against the Cards or Washington? Against the Cards, probably not. But we probably beat Washington since their offense did not completely torch our D.

But if we lost both games, it would not be due to not being able to move the ball or score TDs. Our defense sucks, but somehow that is Dak's fault, right?

Sure, $40 million could be used to fix the D. But so can getting rid of the overrated, overpaid players we have on D WHILE keeping a Top-10 (at least) QB.

But instead of addressing the REAL problems, let's create even more holes to fill. After all, Top-10 QBs are E-A-S-Y to find.

Look , You seem like a Dak only single minded fan , like others on this board . so I don’t expect you to get it .
The team defense is definitely bad which resulted in many losses . But Dak is not elite to save this team . He is better than dalton but not by a lot . This is why getting a top pick or top 2 pick QB via the draft would be much more cap freindly and more effective for the future of this team . Dak could not win any significant games in 5 years , he had plenty of chances behind out best OL / WR/ RB combo and he failed to excel and reach any significant playoff success . and there is no guarantee he will heal well from the injury .

 

[Playmaker247]

Look , You seem like a Dak only single minded fan , like others on this board . so I don’t expect you to get it .
The team defense is definitely bad which resulted in many losses . But Dak is not elite to save this team . He is better than dalton but not by a lot . This is why getting a top pick or top 2 pick QB via the draft would be much more cap freindly and more effective for the future of this team . Dak could not win any significant games in 5 years , he had plenty of chances behind out best OL / WR/ RB combo and he failed to excel and reach any significant playoff success . and there is no guarantee he will heal well from the injury .

“He’s better than Dalton but not by a lot”.......lmao what dude? What games have you been watching. Cowboys just scored 3 and 10 points against awful defenses after averaging over 30 with Dak. Just admit you hate Dak and move on

 

[basel90]

“He’s better than Dalton but not by a lot”.......lmao what dude? What games have you been watching. Cowboys just scored 3 and 10 points against awful defenses after averaging over 30 with Dak. Just admit you hate Dak and move on

I hate no one . Dalton is playing behind a more depleted OL and team than Dak did . Don’t forget this was a losing team also under Dak . Don’t be a typical Dak slobberer.

 

[Playmaker247]

I hate no one . Dalton is playing behind a more depleted OL and team than Dak did . Don’t forget this was a losing team also under Dak . Don’t be a typical Dak slobberer.

It’s the same online minus Martin. So Martin must be worth 28ppg then? And it’s not just about losing, they aren’t even competitive. Do you not understand they just lost to arguably the worst team in football by 22....Dak lost to teams that had a combined record 15-5....dalton lost to wash by 22. Make it make sense. I’m not slobbering over Dak but let’s be realistic and objective about what we’ve seen the 2 games without Dak compared to the games with him. If you honestly watch this offense go from one of the best in the league to the worst and you came to the conclusion Dak and Dalton are close then idk what to tell you

 

[America's Cowboy]

I don't know about handshakes, but I do know he turned down 5 years, $175MM, which is $35MM/yr. I know he wanted a 4 year deal, but that didn't happen, so it's still 'he turned down $35/year'.

My point was that, whatever he was seeking, he'll want more 12 months later based on the team's trajectory. If Dalton had come in and won 10+ games, maybe that would've hurt Dak's negotiating position, but that didn't happen.

Do you seriously believe Dalton could lead this team to 10 wins?

 

[chagus]

That doesn't mean Dak is a leader. It means the rest of the team are quitters. That's a big difference.

Honestly...I don't even know. This isn;t the Dallas Cowboys I have been following for 45 years. Even the Quincey carter days seems like we fought harder. I've never been so ambivalent and there;s been dark days.

Dude... the cowboys suck. Granted. But when Dak was playing, they were at least competitive and scoring an insane amount of points. And now? Dallas went to DC to kick a field goal.

How is this sudden turn around NOT because Dak is out? Again... it's painfully obvious: Dak is the heart and soul of the team.

 

[Brooksey]

Trevor Lawrence is another Jake Locker.


Low IQ football fans and brain dead analysts hype up every tall slow big arm quarterback like Daniel Jones, Darnold, Goff, and Lawrence every year then a mobile athletic quarterback like Russel Wilson, Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott, and Watson end up being head and shoulders better.


Fields will be a much better quarterback than Lawrence

Dumb post of the day award..you forgot to mention Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert. Lawrence is better than both

 

[CATCH17]

Dumb post of the day award..you forgot to mention Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert. Lawrence is better than both

That's the type on here calling me an idiot.

 

[CATCH17]

Do you seriously believe Dalton could lead this team to 10 wins?

If everyone was healthy yes...

He's had those types of years before.

Under these circumstances no. And neither could Dak.

 

[baltcowboy]

If we tank the rest of the season and get the 2nd pick in the draft we could own the offseason in 2021. Teams like the Patriots and Colts that have good rosters will be desperate to trade up for Fields or they would have interest in a tagged Dak. But we all know the three stooges will screw that up.

 

[starfan1]

Dumb post of the day award..you forgot to mention Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert. Lawrence is better than both

on paper only and opinion . Trevor has played with quite the compliment of talent in college and so did Burrow but let me see who outperformed who on the big stage. Oh yep it was Burrow. Im not all about tanking for Trevor as he doesnt fix this mess. I am about tanking and fixing the defense and picking up another offensive lineman

 

[phildadon86]

If everyone was healthy yes...

He's had those types of years before.

Under these circumstances no. And neither could Dak.

Dak was putting up points and yards with the same personnel. You are ridiculous. Dalton is trash. And has been trash in Cincy for years.

 

[CATCH17]

Dak was putting up points and yards with the same personnel. You are ridiculous. Dalton is trash. And has been trash in Cincy for years.

Nobody cares but fantasy football fans and a few of you homers.

He was also playing from far behind against some of the worst pass defenses in the league... Stop it. You are ridiculous.

 

[phildadon86]

Nobody cares but fantasy football fans and a few of you homers.

He was also playing from far behind against some of the worst pass defenses in the league... Stop it. You are ridiculous.

I am ridiculous? You are saying Dalton would have the same success. Hes proven he wont. You just cant admit you were wrong about Dalton. Dak has never. Ever. Put up 50 yards in a half of football. And you are sitting here calling me ridiculous?

Im happy you brought up the crappy pass defenses Dak played against. Remind me again. Where is the Football Team ranked? In terms of defense? Dalton failed against them. You can keep going on about Dalton and not admitting he failed. The board and the entire football world knows you're wrong. But hey. Kudos for trying.

 

[Brax]

Hey, numbnuts, Dak has proven himself since his rookie record setting year and developed into a top 5 overall QB. He's earned the right to keep leading this team. Jerry, Stephen, the coaches and especially the players wholeheartedly approve of Dak. Dak has proven he will give you 100% effort and improved production that helps the team. In other words, Dak is a bonafied guaranteed success as a franchise QB. Any rookie QB is not a guarantee but instead a total guess. You should learn about this.

"He's earned the right to keep leading this team"
.Dak has proven nothing , earned nothing and deserves nothing at this point (this statement shows how little you know about football at any level) as the team is not a contender and hasn't been and only a idiot would believe it is. Your statement of Jerry and Stephen approve of Dak should tell you enough but your man crush just blurs your vision. A team with everything in place yes sign Dak to a team manageable deal, unfortunately Dak failed to deliver after huge $$$$ resources and draft capital were spend to hide his flaws now the D is just a joke and there is only a shell of a OL left. Hey doofus unless the QB is generational or elite you don't pay top dollar. This is all mute until the draft order is established but one thing is for sure Paying Dak 35-40 million will ensure the mediocracy of this team for years to come. Jerry is as dumb as you as far as QB talent IQ so you may get your wish and Dak will be signed (and I expect that) and you will be making pitiful excuses of why the team and Dak fail because its never his fault. I will take my chances at 6-8 million on a rookie verse the QB who has taken this team nowhere in 5 seasons and allocate those $$ resources to better the team . Your biggest laugh of the week,"Dak is a bonafied guaranteed success as a franchise QB", these type of QBs lead their teams deep into the play offs year in and out and get to the SB. The team was built around Dak and it is a utter failure but you can not accept that fact. If Dak is this great savior he hasn't shown it in Dallas to date and with Jerry it's not happening. Dak was the QB to start the season and say what ever you want this team should of lost every game he started but as Ws aren't a QB stat except when you want to be this team stunk with Dak at 32 million what do you think it will be with him at 38-40 million? Just how ignorant can you be? I guess you think the team is one or two players away from a SB contender so lets pay Dak the wonder QB, yeah you and Jerry dumber than pet rocks. I've seen your posts for years about the greatness of Dak and here we sit looking at a top 5 draft pick possibly, greatness know no bounds in big D.