The case for going for Lawrence

[CouchCoach]

how is lawrence a better QB now than Dak? what basis? he plays in college. there are now several people out there who have expressed concern about his game. his recognition skills, etc. he has played exactly ZERO downs as a QB in NFL, so we know nothing about him...remember Ryan Leaf? second pick of the draft. he was a sure thing too.....until they play in the NFL. there has only been 3 or 4 sure things coming from college in the past 20 years or so. believe it or not one was Aikman, Manning, Luck. everybody else was flawed or was a high level of certainty projection. most have failed.

Just opinion from watching both play and make the throws and plays. He is not flawless and may not even be the 1st QB taken in this draft.

There are always busts at QB in every draft, the Cowboys tried to trade up for one in Lynch. However, the entry of these young gun QB's like Mahomes, Murray, Burrow, Herbert, Tua, Allen, Jackson and Watson can't be ignored. Some will include Prescott in that group and that is their opinion.

The other part of this is this QB happens to be up and wants in the neighborhood of 35-40M a year on a very top heavy offensive team with the cap.

 

[America's Cowboy]

 

[starfan1]

Just opinion from watching both play and make the throws and plays. He is not flawless and may not even be the 1st QB taken in this draft.

There are always busts at QB in every draft, the Cowboys tried to trade up for one in Lynch. However, the entry of these young gun QB's like Mahomes, Murray, Burrow, Herbert, Tua, Allen, Jackson and Watson can't be ignored. Some will include Prescott in that group and that is their opinion.

The other part of this is this QB happens to be up and wants in the neighborhood of 35-40M a year on a very top heavy offensive team with the cap.

Youre not wrong Jerry screwed the pooch by not extending him 2 years ago. And then compounded mistake by extending Zeke and Jaylon and even Lawrence. Stupid GM

 

[mattjames2010]

Washington 2-6
Minny 3-5
NYG 2-7
San Fran 4-5
Philly 3-4-1
Baltimore 6-2

We have 2 wins! Can i see 4 more? you bet in fact I can see 5. Its doubtful yes but not out of the question. Unfortunately we are also capable of losing out. That said the Lawrence case is out of the question. The Jets ,Jags, and football team maybe will look QB and I can make a case for Minny, Chicago

Minnesota is not as bad as we are. Philly is certainly not as bad as we are. We already lost to the Commanders, who are one of the worst teams in the league. We aren't getting 7 wins.

The only thing that will keep us from Lawrence is the Jets IF they choose him. We are just as bad as the Jags right now.

 

[mattjames2010]

The Jets arent going to win 2 games.

Yeah, except you don't know that. I am saying we are not some 4-5 win team right now. We have 2 wins. We are currently on a 4 game losing streak. We are one of the worst teams in the league. So anyone saying it's a less than 1% chance that we have the first pick, I have no freakin' clue what team you folks have been watching.

Steelers often play down to their competition, don't let that fool you into think we were putting up a real fight.

 

[G2]

Dak didn’t beat a single ranked team his senior season in college, racking up yardage in blow-outs against garbage teams. He’s been a stat-padder his college career. What are you on?

He's played 4+ years in the NFL and has played better than QBs drafted in the 1st round.

 

[Runwildboys]

Very few defensive players have any impact. To top it off, the salary cap is going to be less. You also have to sign players like LVE to their second contracts within the next year or so and they will have much less money available to sign them. Is there any evidence that paying 40 million to one player will produce Super Bowl wins? The evidence that I have seen has shown the opposite.

I see both sides. The problem with drafting a QB is that, in order to get the best one, we'll have to give up picks and/or players to get him. Still, there are no guarantees his college skills will translate to the pros. How many times have we seen that? Then there's the fact that this defense clearly isn't good enough, and after giving up draft picks and/or players, it's very unlikely the defense will improve. We also need to booster the O-line some.
By the time we build both sides of the roster, it'll be time to pay this QB we drafted, assuming he's worth keeping.

On the other hand, Dak will be expensive to keep, but at least we have a good idea of who he is. There must be some draft picks that'll improve our defense over what it is now, so I think we're probably better off with Dak, but it's not an easy choice.

 

[starfan1]

Minnesota is not as bad as we are. Philly is certainly not as bad as we are. We already lost to the Commanders, who are one of the worst teams in the league. We aren't getting 7 wins.

The only thing that will keep us from Lawrence is the Jets IF they choose him. We are just as bad as the Jags right now.

or these guys and common sense. Something that those who think a different QB is going to fix what ails the team is sorely lacking and Im not saying we are getting to 7 wins what Im saying is it isn't out of the question. Neither is 2

 

[mattjames2010]

But either way, we don't need the first pick in the draft to get our QB of future if we are picking in the top 3-5.

 

[Sevenup3000]

Minnesota is not as bad as we are. Philly is certainly not as bad as we are. We already lost to the Commanders, who are one of the worst teams in the league. We aren't getting 7 wins.

The only thing that will keep us from Lawrence is the Jets IF they choose him. We are just as bad as the Jags right now.

You are another one.

Why are you in this thread focusing on Lawrence who very well might go No. 1 overall?

Shouldn't we be focusing on the Superbowl now given that Dak is no longer here to mess up our great team?

 

[Sarge]

Then why hasn't he done it yet?

You’d have to ask him.

 

[mattjames2010]

or these guys and common sense. Something that those who think a different QB is going to fix what ails the team.

That really doesn't make sense in response to my post. I never suggested only a QB will fix what is hurting our team, actually, it's one of the reasons I don't want to give Dak near Mahomes money. We'll need that money elsewhere. What a top 5 QB in the draft does is give you the potential cheap but great QB while you have the cap space to build around him. Owners will eventually begin to understand paying QBs the kind of money they are these days is not good for the long term. QBs have to start taking more friendly deals if they want long term success in terms of W/Ls

 

[G2]

Yeah, except you don't know that. I am saying we are not some 4-5 win team right now. We have 2 wins. We are currently on a 4 game losing streak. We are one of the worst teams in the league. So anyone saying it's a less than 1% chance that we have the first pick, I have no freakin' clue what team you folks have been watching.

Steelers often play down to their competition, don't let that fool you into think we were putting up a real fight.

After how the team played vs. Pittsburgh I'd say there is a better chance that we win a couple more games than lose the remaining. Playing down to your competition is a myth, there's no evidence of that. It's all about field position, match ups and execution.

 

[mattjames2010]

You are another one.

Why are you in this thread focusing on Lawrence who very well might go No. 1 overall?

Shouldn't we be focusing on the Superbowl now given that Dak is no longer here to mess up our great team?

I never called Cowboys a "Great team". You want to quote where I ever said that? I'll give you a few hours to go through my posts, check the offseason and see what I said about them.

Take your time.

 

[mattjames2010]

You’d have to ask him.

I mean, it shouldn't need to be said. If Jerry and Stephen thought Dak was THE guy, they wouldn't have squabbled over length of contract. You think Chiefs would have done this with Mahomes or Seattle with Wilson? There is obviously SOMETHING that gets Jerry and Stephen nervous about giving Dak that contract.

 

[Sarge]

I mean, it shouldn't need to be said. If Jerry and Stephen thought Dak was THE guy, they wouldn't have squabbled over length of contract. You think Chiefs would have done this with Mahomes or Seattle with Wilson? There is obviously SOMETHING that gets Jerry and Stephen nervous about giving Dak that contract.

Ya, the fact that they have blown the last 3 big contracts they entered into.

 

[G2]

I see both sides. The problem with drafting a QB is that, in order to get the best one, we'll have to give up picks and/or players to get him. Still, there are no guarantees his college skills will translate to the pros. How many times have we seen that? Then there's the fact that this defense clearly isn't good enough, and after giving up draft picks and/or players, it's very unlikely the defense will improve. We also need to booster the O-line some.
By the time we build both sides of the roster, it'll be time to pay this QB we drafted, assuming he's worth keeping.

On the other hand, Dak will be expensive to keep, but at least we have a good idea of who he is. There must be some draft picks that'll improve our defense over what it is now, so I think we're probably better off with Dak, but it's not an easy choice.

The fans suggesting that we go all in on the 1st overall pick completely ignore that the front office had 4 years of Prescott's rookie contract to invest in a defense, but assume they would do it drafting a 1st rounder. Which will cost more even on a rookie contract than Dak's did as a 4th rounder.
And for whatever reason, they didn't max out the salary cap.

 

[starfan1]

That really doesn't make sense in response to my post. I never suggested only a QB will fix what is hurting our team, actually, it's one of the reasons I don't want to give Dak near Mahomes money. We'll need that money elsewhere. What a top 5 QB in the draft does is give you the potential cheap but great QB while you have the cap space to build around him. Owners will eventually begin to understand paying QBs the kind of money they are these days is not good for the long term. QBs have to start taking more friendly deals if they want long term success in terms of W/Ls

we can just leave it at this. having a top pick can propel the cowboys to fixing this mess. Getting a QB with it isnt the way. trading down and grabbing defense is. QB hasnt been the problem for years. Do they make mistakes yep they both have have but there has always been plenty of blame to go around. Whether it be Oline, Defense or coaching and at times its been all of those. The 2 buffoons picture in my previous post is a good place to start and finish.

 

[mattjames2010]

After how the team played vs. Pittsburgh I'd say there is a better chance that we win a couple more games than lose the remaining. Playing down to your competition is a myth, there's no evidence of that. It's all about field position, match ups and execution.

....Steelers do this every year lol They are known for playing poorly against bad teams. It's one of Tomlins biggest criticisms.

 

[Bullflop]

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Yep, unfortunately, that's what Jerry said recently and I believe him.