What is wrong with tanking?

[75boyz]

Isn't tanking basically losing to win? That is to a T what Jimmy did.

Yep, excellent point.
It's a simple For the greater good concept that applies to this specific season's circumstance. These so called purists are claiming moral high ground when losing is factually the most beneficial outcome for this specific season. To totally disregard higher picks in every round over their skewed sense of reality of winning a SB this year is mind boggling.

Yeah, we're losers and quitters. Oh yeah, throw in trolls too to the name calling.
**** of here with that crap and get with reality.

 

[Bullflop]

You are A LOT better than him.

Thank you, kind sir -- at least, I give straight answers, minus the gibberish!

 

[blueblood70]

And you apparently manage a sports organization? How are the 3 QBs from 2020 doing right now? I guess they all suck? People are so scared of the next Trubisky they'll pass on every QB from here on out or just wait until they're in complete desperation mode. The Dolphins got lucky and Fitzmagic was much better than they thought it would be. Plus the Lions are just stupid but they probably end up with Herbert anyway!! Still this is a long term organizational deficiency It's not about intentionally losing games or equating that to going out and not trying or missing tackles, dropping balls purposely.. etc.

Building your team is a year round endeavor and this one always looks absolutely baffled on why bad things are happening and how! It's every stupid decision leading up .. a constant 'year round' rotation regularly puts them in these situations. Pretty factual at this point. That includes in season decisions, trades, benchings, one eye on the future, contracts, letting guys walk, starting young guys, coaching. Things that might cause a loss in the short term, but can help in the long term. The gamut of building a quality team. People think this is about 1 year or 1 QB or flat out quitting, now that's funny???.


Jerrys' "win now" one for the gipper mentality. It's actually comical at this point. All businesses look beyond, NFL is no different.. and this team stinks at it. Again pretty factual. This isn't high school but some are definitely smarter than others. "all games matter"? You gotta be kidding? This team routinely disappoints yet management somehow can't put a finger on the issue? Building a team matters the most and there's nothing sneaky or underhanded about it. Instead close the season with a nice moral victory and clean out your lockers! And amazingly enough some fans are all for it?!! and then just refuse to see the pattern?

go back 10 years prior to this year show me top 2 QBs taken 1,2 and tell me how that are doing..i said not this year they played 9 games so too earl so good job using one of the years it might work out to the 80% that DO NOT!!

we will build the defense through this draft quickly by trading down gaining far more picks and still can grab a QB like trask in the first round .Fields is not lock why risk it ..i say NO.. Im betting most of us predicting trade down given more defenders ranked 5-15 then 1-5 and will use all the extra picks to do MORE..

 

[Scotman]

How in the world can fans continuously lie to themselves? If you didn't know what was happening, I'd guess that you were a very young child.

Not trying to lose, trying to get multiple 1st and 2nd round picks.

Define intentionally losing. Jimmy didn't play better players because he wanted the draft picks.

You're wrong and can't see it. You're so convinced that they were trying to tank back then that you are blind to any other argument. Myopic. I wasn't a child at all. I was already finished with my first degree. They didn't tank. They improved throughout the year. You can absolutely church the roster, try and pick up high-value draft picks and still do everything you can to win games.

 

[jnday]

Jimmy’s team didn’t quit
They just didn’t have the talent to win
He did fix that shortly after that season

Jimmy was playing players fresh off the street during that year. He knew what he was doing and he also knew that it would have been a waste of resources to try to get better players because there was nothing to be gained by winning 3-4 games that year. He didn’t tell the team to quit, but he made sure that the players had no chance due to lack of talent.

 

[Rockport]

Yep, excellent point.
It's a simple For the greater good concept that applies to this specific season's circumstance. These so called purists are claiming moral high ground when losing is factually the most beneficial outcome for this specific season. To totally disregard higher picks in every round over their skewed sense of reality of winning a SB this year is mind boggling.

Yeah, we're losers and quitters. Oh yeah, throw in trolls too to the name calling.
**** of here with that crap and get with reality.

Bull****, tanking is losing. Get back to your Madden game and leave football to the winners. Jeez, it’s so sad people like you wish the team loses.

 

[jnday]

go back 10 years prior to this year show me top 2 QBs taken 1,2 and tell me how that are doing..i said not this year they played 9 games so too earl so good job using one of the years it might work out to the 80% that DO NOT!!

we will build the defense through this draft quickly by trading down gaining far more picks and still can grab a QB like trask in the first round .Fields is not lock why risk it ..i say NO.. Im betting most of us predicting trade down given more defenders ranked 5-15 then 1-5 and will use all the extra picks to do MORE..

You have to have a trading partner and that is not guaranteed. The draft sucks for top end defensive players this year, so the Cowboys may be forced to pick and it may be a terrible value to go defense in the first round.

 

[blueblood70]

You have to have a trading partner and that is not guaranteed. The draft sucks for top end defensive players this year, so the Cowboys may be forced to pick and it may be a terrible value to go defense in the first round.

there will be more then one who would take the 2nd spot and possible the third..after that stand pat and take defense if you are 5-10 already..i have seen trades for wentz, Mahomes and others even around 10 that got big rewards..

 

[jnday]

You're exactly saying quit who the **** do you think you're kidding.

Letting the young players accumulate some valuable playing experience is not exactly tanking. Those young guys would bust their rear-ends to impress.

 

[jnday]

there will be more then one who would take the 2nd spot and possible the third..after that stand pat and take defense if you are 5-10 already..i have seen trades for wentz, Mahomes and others even around 10 that got big rewards..

There is not a defensive player ranked anywhere close to the third pick from what I have seen. Are you wanting to reach for a defensive player at the third pick when any other year he would be a 10-15 rated player? That is a total waste of a top five pick. The only pick that would make sense is an offensive tackle if they don’t pick a QB.

 

[Rockport]

Letting the young players accumulate some valuable playing experience is not exactly tanking. Those young guys would bust their rear-ends to impress.

Yeah of course but quit being a coward and admit you want the team to lose. I don’t think you’re man enough.

 

[jnday]

He wasn't? Then explain to me why he didn't play the players from that trade.

Jimmy has said that he has no intention of keeping any of those players. He wanted the draft picks.

 

[jnday]

Yeah of course but quit being a coward and admit you want the team to lose. I don’t think you’re man enough.

I want the team to lose and get a top draft pick instead of winning a couple of meaningless games so that you can puff your chest out and feel like a real winner. You should stop displaying short-sighted stupidity and look at the well-being of this team long term. I said it, so what? You should know by now that I don’t mind sharing my opinion even if it offends you.

 

[CowboysLegends2]

If you quit once, we will always be a quitter.

Did you watch the Commander game?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yep, excellent point.
It's a simple For the greater good concept that applies to this specific season's circumstance. These so called purists are claiming moral high ground when losing is factually the most beneficial outcome for this specific season. To totally disregard higher picks in every round over their skewed sense of reality of winning a SB this year is mind boggling.

Yeah, we're losers and quitters. Oh yeah, throw in trolls too to the name calling.
**** of here with that crap and get with reality.

You are claiming Jimmy lost on purpose to "tank"

Such total and complete BULLSHET!

 

[CowboysLegends2]

Remember when men were proud? When it meant something to be a man? Those were the days.

I think that got left on the plane when they went to DC.

 

[blueblood70]

There is not a defensive player ranked anywhere close to the third pick from what I have seen. Are you wanting to reach for a defensive player at the third pick when any other year he would be a 10-15 rated player? That is a total waste of a top five pick. The only pick that would make sense is an offensive tackle if they don’t pick a QB.

what i said trade down from any spot not the 1st pick overall. I never said take defender at 3 i said 5-10 after trade down and or grab both defender and a QB like Trask.. im not taking a defender top 5 for that reason..not sure where you got that, Im Lawerence or bust ie if we arent #1 trade down..

 

[75boyz]

And you apparently manage a sports organization? How are the 3 QBs from 2020 doing right now? I guess they all suck? People are so scared of the next Trubisky they'll pass on every QB from here on out or just wait until they're in complete desperation mode. The Dolphins got lucky and Fitzmagic was much better than they thought it would be. Plus the Lions are just stupid but they probably end up with Herbert anyway!! Still this is a long term organizational deficiency It's not about intentionally losing games or equating that to going out and not trying or missing tackles, dropping balls purposely.. etc.

Building your team is a year round endeavor and this one always looks absolutely baffled on why bad things are happening and how! It's every stupid decision leading up .. a constant 'year round' rotation regularly puts them in these situations. Pretty factual at this point. That includes in season decisions, trades, benchings, one eye on the future, contracts, letting guys walk, starting young guys, coaching. Things that might cause a loss in the short term, but can help in the long term. The gamut of building a quality team. People think this is about 1 year or 1 QB or flat out quitting, now that's funny???.


Jerrys' "win now" one for the gipper mentality. It's actually comical at this point. All businesses look beyond, NFL is no different.. and this team stinks at it. Again pretty factual. This isn't high school but some are definitely smarter than others. "all games matter"? You gotta be kidding? This team routinely disappoints yet management somehow can't put a finger on the issue? Building a team matters the most and there's nothing sneaky or underhanded about it. Instead close the season with a nice moral victory and clean out your lockers! And amazingly enough some fans are all for it?!! and then just refuse to see the pattern?

Excellent post. Totally comprehensive and well thought out.
Without having an outside the Jones family GM and more qualified coach both in total lockstep with regards to a shared team vision and player profile they both agree on,
this team will continue its perpetual spiral downward.


AFTER the full elimination of all Jones involvement in football operations and an outsider GM has been chosen...

More qualified coach choices and contracts given should be a major focus as well.

These are what the other successful NFL organizations do.

It's too late though. The money outside of football operations and all of the associated earnings that go along with supporting the brand, not the team, are just to a point of such outrageous profitability to this egomaniac that the football team truly has become no more than a play toy or hobby.

Any/all other responses concerning whether to draft a QB or draft defense miss the big picture.

But ultimately the forum would hafta choose if it wanted to shut down along with bottomline expectations if Jerry and Son continue to remain in charge. Because every single post would hafta begin with "If" Jerry/Stephen weren't in charge...

That's cold hard reality.

If you wanted my smaller picture teambuilding opinion I'm a draft the QB and build around him type based off this current roster.

Again, great post.

 

[Rockport]

I want the team to lose and get a top draft pick instead of winning a couple of meaningless games so that you can puff your chest out and feel like a real winner. You should stop displaying short-sighted stupidity and look at the well-being of this team long term. I said it, so what? You should know by now that I don’t mind sharing my opinion even if it offends you.

Thanks for outing yourself as a quitter and a loser. Kudos.

 

[jnday]

No such thing, and your version of better players is like asking Jason Witten to start at TE today

Jimmy didn't tank 1989, no good coach would. Have a read: https://www.___GET_REAL_URL___/s/www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-jimmy-johnson-dolphins-20190919-dop6objxpncfrdlvizz2ucqwky-story.html?outputType=amp

Johnson did inherit a really bad team, but he did nothing to improve it, because he knew that they were likely getting the top pick. Singling guys off the street to play the next Sunday was not attempts to improve. He just wanted the season to end and move on to the draft. Trading Walker was was a good indicator that he wasn’t trying to win games.