Why is Dak refusing to give the cowboys a discount? Mahomes did!

[SteveTheCowboy]

I could be wrong but, here is my shot at it. Dak is not Mahomes talented and he knows it. The market is what it is. This may be his shot a getting payed.

Mahomes has "it" in spades. Dak does not posses that trait but, he is capable of wining if you put talent around him. There inlays the problem because of the reduced cap and his 36-40 mil cap he would take up.

We have a pie people. How many slices can you manage to get out of it to win the slice challenge? If someone in this God for saken franchise is smart enough to figure it out, we win. Until then grow thicker skin!

If I read you right...you are suggesting Mahomes doesn't have talent around him?

 

[Vinnie2u]

If Dallas wanted to sign Dak they would of.. they feel he’s worth X amount of dollars over Y amount of time.

 

[acr731]

They did no such thing. Great job trying to create a false narrative though. And even if it was true....great job it did.....it resulted in so many playoff wins.

I was asking a question, not just outright saying 'by God, Romo and Witten both took a reduced salary'. Even if they did it failed miserably. Why? That dude thinking he knows how to build a team.

 

[Ranched]

why is Dak allowing his contract saga to continue this long ? This is a great town

Jerry selected Dak in the 4th round

This is how you remain irrelevant and 25 years away from a super bowl appearance !!

Cowboys Nation is world wide. What town do you speak of that's great?

Kindly provide link indicating Dak is refusing to give the Cowboys a discount?

Jerry selected Dak in the 4th round while others passed on him. Are you saying Jerry did Dak a favor? Will McClay chose both Dak & Zeke, not Jerry.

25 years away from a super bowl
Reason:

• Chan Gailey (1998-99)
• Dave Campo (2000-02)
• Bill Parcells (2003-06)
• Wade Phillips (2007-10)
• Jason Garrett (2010-2019

 

[USArmyVet]

Look everyone it’s a sheep believing what his master feeds him.

Funny you have the tampon to call someone a sheep yet all you do is espouse all of your "I love Dak" BS.

 

[USArmyVet]

No I will not stop. I don’t care if he was undrafted. He significantly outperformed his contract and cheapskates shouldn’t be looking for any discounts and he was top 10.

Outperformed how? By passing a lot when games were out of control? I know it wasn't because of leading Dallas deep into the playoffs as Dak's 1-2 playoff record would show that.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

oh.....i don't know.....maybe because he wants to get the most he can...while he can.
and on the other side.....they want to get the best deal they can.
i don't fault the player or the team.
they both are doing exactly what they 100% should be doing.
it ain't my money...so i'm not gonna sweat the details of a contract we haven't seen yet.

Absolutley, 100 percent. Funny thing about this is guys didn't want Dak when he was making less than a million a year but now it's all about money.

 

[gjkoeppen]

This is a good question. I fully understand that every player has a right and an obligation to seek the best contract possible for himself and his family. I don't expect any player to give a discount to the Cowboys. But still, when you see this, it means a lot. It means the player wants to be with the team. It means he wants to win, and it means he has a lot of confidence in himself and his ability to take the team to a championship. Guys who pinch pennies or show too much concern for the contracts appear to put winning second to personal status. Honestly, when a player gets $100 million guaranteed over 5 years, is a couple of million more so important to him that he won't sign? To me, that is a sing he is not fully committed to this team even though he may think he is. I don't it against Dak that he wants what he wants and won't settle for less, but I'd rather have the guy willing to shave a few bucks off his contract to be with this team.

This is why I think the Cowboys and Dak will part ways at some point. If Dak holds out for $40 million, a number I would never pay him, or refuses to sign a deal at all forcing the Cowboys to franchise him again, then I would trade him. If he does not sign in 2021 then he is never going to sign and next year they cannot franchise him. In 2022 he walks and the Cowboys get nothing more than a 3rd round comp pick. Trade him in 2021 and they should be able to get at least a 1st round pick for him.

I know it sucks to have to go find a QB again, but it is not up to the Cowboys alone. Dak has to agree to stay in Dallas and despite his words, which mean nothing, by not signing to a reasonable deal he is showing he is not committed to Dallas. And the Cowboys offered him a very reasonable deal based on media reports.

You first say one thing and then another and the second thing isn't necessarily true.. First you say that you understand a player will want the best contract possible for himself and his family and then you say that if a player doesn't do a team friendly contract that he doesn't mean he doesn't want to play for that team or want to win. Prescott grew up a Cowboys fan and his dream, what he wanted most was to play for the Cowboys. Prescott has already lost two immediate family members, his mother and a brother and he very close with his extended family. I'm sure he wants to make sure that what's left of his family is taken care of and that his children will never be worried about money even as adults. Fans find it so easy to justify what a player should accept especially when it's less than the current market value but yet so many people buy lottery tickets hoping to win the jackpot and start to live the life they always dreamed of. Out of all the people that claim if they win the lottery that they would continue with their current jobs, only about 1% do and then only for a year or less and then they start to live the life they always wanted.

Oh and even though it would be really hard on the cap, any player can be franchised a third time, but I don't recommend it. The Cowboys have from now until 3 days before free agency starts to get a contract done. If not they will have to franchise him again but that doesn't mean they can't and won't get a contract done. Lawrence was tagged a 2nd time and about a week later signed a new long term contract.
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[Scottishcowboy]

I honestly don't get the desire by QBs to earn maximum dollars, is it an ego thing or a badge of honour?

There's no way you sit in your home in 20 years' time and say "you know, what....I'm really struggling on my $150m, wish I'd pushed for $180m so I could get the bigger yacht". I know I say it as joke but really, does it make any difference at that level? If you are say, a JAG TE then yes, push for everything you can get as it probably will make a difference to your eventual family wealth but a top level QB won't even notice the extra squeeze.

I always remember many years' ago Sting (from the band the Police) was robbed by his accountant and he didn't even notice.....he has/had that much money he didn't even realise millions had been stolen from him! I say that to illustrate these people don't know what to do with their cash above a certain level.

So with that in mind, don't you think the better option would be to sit as as old man is 50 years' time and say "I had a great career, I earned a fortune and I won X divisional titles, Y championships and Z superbowls" rather than "I had a great career and made a fortune, that's it". You still earn a fortune on option A!!!!

We are not talking about a working class man earning say, $50k a year where earning $55k would help his family with I don't know, a nicer car, a great annual vacation that kind of thing. That person absolutely push your employer for every last dollar you can get.

I'd love to have the skill and talent to play QB for Dallas and I can honestly say, I would do the deal to allow the team to bring in top level talent and win ring/s rather than take so much off the table it makes it harder to win. Am I that far out of touch with professional athletes that I am talking rubbish? I don't think I am.

To be clear, I'm not calling Dak greedy, I think he's great. Virtually all the players seem to want to do it and I fail to see why.

 

[Flamma]

why is Dak allowing his contract saga to continue this long ? This is a great town with great state tax savings , and prime time endorsements , which Dak has already cashed in on . After all , Jerry selected Dak in the 4th round while others passed on him . Jerry surrounded him with the most expensive OL RB WR combos to succeed .

The cowboys need all the savings to fix the Defense . They spent the least money on defense among all NFL teams in 2020 61.4 Mil , except for the jets .

Yet ,Dak is not relenting one inch for the sake of this team like Mahomes or Brady and others did to help their teams .

look at the fabulous discount Mahomes gave the chiefs . A dream contract by all means for a super bowl winner . The chiefs were able to spend big on defense last year , spending 97 mil to stack up their defense ( 6th highest investment in defense among all teams ) . Mahomes cap hit was actually 5.3 mil in 2020 . If he continues to play this good , his cap hit will be 24.8 mil in 2021 , and 31.5 in 2022 . This is how you win Super Bowls !!!

In contrast, Dak’s cap hit last year was 31.4 Mil and now wants 40 mil a year.?? On top of the mistake expensive zeke and other contracts ?
This is how you remain irrelevant and 25 years away from a super bowl appearance !!

Mahomes didn't give the Chiefs such a great deal. 2022 is the first year of his new contract. It's 31.5 million. For the first year. Great deal?

 

[gjkoeppen]

Jerry offered 35 mil a year guaranteed around 85-100 . Seems more than generous for a QB with a serious injury who has not done anything special on the top offensive outfit in the league ( OL WR RB )

Those that want to push Prescott's injury as some big negotiating tactic are only fooling themselves. The doctors and trainers that are actually treating Prescott have said that he';s actually a head of schedule on his rehab and he may even be ready to participate in some of the off season programs. To listen to some of you it sounds like he may not be ready until sometime after the season starts and is going to have a permanent limb. Here's an example of why your thinking is flawed. In 2011 Peterson tore is ACL and MCL in November and an injury like that usually takes a year before they are back to normal but he in 2012 starting in week 1 he rushed for over 2000 yards, his best season ever. Now a QB doesn't take anywhere as much pounding as a RB.
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[USArmyVet]

Mahomes didn't give the Chiefs such a great deal. 2022 is the first year of his new contract. It's 31.5 million. For the first year. Great deal?

$31.5M....for a possible 2-time Super Bowl Championship? Yeah, that is a GREAT deal!!!!

 

[CouchCoach]

How is Prescott greedy? They wouldn't settle for a 4 year contract, which just happens to be the norm except for Mahomes and that contract will not last 4 years.

Rodgers has 4 years left on his and wants a new one. And he will get that in GB or another market. That is going to happen.

France is doing his job and looking out for his player because the opinion is the cap is going to really expand when the new rights contract is done with TV and streaming and the effect of gambling hasn't been fully felt yet.

99.9% of the players are all about one thing, maxing out their dollars while in a 15B business that only exists because of them.

 

[USArmyVet]

Those that want to push Prescott's injury as some big negotiating tactic are only fooling themselves. The doctors and trainers that are actually treating Prescott have said that he';s actually a head of schedule on his rehab and he may even be ready to participate in some of the off season programs. To listen to some of you it sounds like he may not be ready until sometime after the season starts and is going to have a permanent limb. Here's an example of why your thinking is flawed. In 2011 Peterson tore is ACL and MCL in November and an injury like that usually takes a year before they are back to normal but he in 2012 starting in week 1 he rushed for over 2000 yards, his best season ever. Now a QB doesn't take anywhere as much pounding as a RB.
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The point is a severe ankle injury, even if healed 100%, is not as strong as prior to when the bone was broken. In other words the ankle is more susceptible to another break given the previous injury. Would you trust a house that has a load bearing beam that was previously broken and patched?

 

[Winonesoon]

If I read you right...you are suggesting Mahomes doesn't have talent around him?

sorry if it came wrong. I not suggesting that at all. that's just silly. All i'm saying is Dak doesn't posses the extra "It" mahomes has. Dallas can win with Dak, he just needs a little more help.

 

[basel90]

Thats definitely true. They need that first year to be lower on the cap.

First two actually if possible....then they can shed 54 and 21.....possibly 19....to gain some cap room.

The only real way to pay Dakota and also win right now is draft extremely well (not just telling themselves they did) and get some real coaching.

Edit.....not to mention if he plays again on the tag he is definitely gone and I don't see plan B anywhere around.

Very true .

 

[Flamma]

$31.5M....for a possible 2-time Super Bowl Championship? Yeah, that is a GREAT deal!!!!

Dude, he's still playing on his rookie contract. The new deal doesn't start until 2022. Lets see how many he wins when his new contract actually kicks in. Again, it starts in 2022.

 

[USArmyVet]

How is Prescott greedy? They wouldn't settle for a 4 year contract, which just happens to be the norm except for Mahomes and that contract will not last 4 years.

Rodgers has 4 years left on his and wants a new one. And he will get that in GB or another market. That is going to happen.

France is doing his job and looking out for his player because the opinion is the cap is going to really expand when the new rights contract is done with TV and streaming and the effect of gambling hasn't been fully felt yet.

99.9% of the players are all about one thing, maxing out their dollars while in a 15B business that only exists because of them.

The 'business' of the NFL (just like any other sports league) exists because of the FANS......lose the fans...tv revenue goes down...concession sales go down...parking sales go down....memorabilia sales go down.....salary cap goes down....player salaries go down.....

 

[StarBoyz83]

Another tag will hurt this team tremendously on the cap , and there won’t be money to fix the defense .

That's part of the reason i say the tag will be pointless tbh. Dallas isn't going to be in contention next year (still 2-3 years away most likely 3). So either sign him long term or Tag him to trade him.

But I could totally understand the tag one more time if theyre worried about his play and health after the Injury. I'm sure we all are on that one.

 

[basel90]

Mahomes didn't give the Chiefs such a great deal. 2022 is the first year of his new contract. It's 31.5 million. For the first year. Great deal?

By that time the cap would be like 245 mil , and kc would have 3 + Super Bowls
Compared to what jerry paid last year for Mr Dakota and we’re 1-4 by the time he got injured . Go figure