Why is Dak refusing to give the cowboys a discount? Mahomes did!

[CouchCoach]

Coach. I have asked this question numerous times here over the last year or so and have not gotten an answer yet, Maybe you can help me.

You state that four year contracts are the norm. Can you point to a scenario in which a QB was under contract for less than five years after signing a new contract? I could not find any examples of that scenario myself. Four year extensions to the time remaining on an existing contract are common. Straight up four year contracts are unprecedented unless I am missing something.

I am talking about all of the QB contracts extended at around the same time as Prescott's being up. 4 years, except for Mahomes, is the standard. I am not sure of what has been driving that but these agents have projections on where the cap will be and by position.

The rookie contracts are the standard 4 year with 1st rounders having that option year.

The Chiefs pulled the same thing Booger did with Aikman with the length of the contract to inflate the overall numbers but the guarantee was unaffected. Mahomes deal will not last 4 years if this anticipated cap jump takes place. There seems to be this general consensus that it will be the largest jump since it came into being and these agents want to be poised to do just what they've been doing, carve out a disproportionate amount for QBs and a few other select positions. The QB salaries have grown at an alarming rate compared to all other positions.

It wasn't that long ago that people were shocked at Romo's 19M a year deal. Prescott is looking at doubling that in 8 years as well as the guarantees have doubled, and then some, since 2013.

 

[basel90]

Maybe he's hoping to get traded to a team that has a chance to win something.

then make it easy for the team and fans. He should not have signed last year's tag and demanded a trade. I really don't think many teams believe he is elite. but probably a couple of teams would pay him that massive money. There are always suckers out there.

 

[Praxit]

..whether he gets his 40 mill a year or not. Little does he know, Dallas is sitting on a quicksand pit. No team escapes, but some players do. *hint* ..

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

why is Dak allowing his contract saga to continue this long ? This is a great town with great state tax savings , and prime time endorsements , which Dak has already cashed in on . After all , Jerry selected Dak in the 4th round while others passed on him . Jerry surrounded him with the most expensive OL RB WR combos to succeed .

The cowboys need all the savings to fix the Defense . They spent the least money on defense among all NFL teams in 2020 61.4 Mil , except for the jets .

Yet ,Dak is not relenting one inch for the sake of this team like Mahomes or Brady and others did to help their teams .

look at the fabulous discount Mahomes gave the chiefs . A dream contract by all means for a super bowl winner . The chiefs were able to spend big on defense last year , spending 97 mil to stack up their defense ( 6th highest investment in defense among all teams ) . Mahomes cap hit was actually 5.3 mil in 2020 . If he continues to play this good , his cap hit will be 24.8 mil in 2021 , and 31.5 in 2022 . This is how you win Super Bowls !!!

In contrast, Dak’s cap hit last year was 31.4 Mil and now wants 40 mil a year.?? On top of the mistake expensive zeke and other contracts ?
This is how you remain irrelevant and 25 years away from a super bowl appearance !!

That's pretty dumb statement.

If your company comes to you and says give up 5 percent of your salary and we can keep this other guy and make him happy, would you do it?

Us, mahomes got a new contract two years before his contract would end and got a whole bunch of money way in advance, it's different than having fulfilled your contract and now negotiating for a new one. Plus mahomes average is 50M which is way above current QB market and he will renegotiate in 4 or 5 years and push 60....

Your post is totally meaningless.

 

[Qcard]

why is Dak allowing his contract saga to continue this long ? This is a great town with great state tax savings , and prime time endorsements , which Dak has already cashed in on . After all , Jerry selected Dak in the 4th round while others passed on him . Jerry surrounded him with the most expensive OL RB WR combos to succeed .

The cowboys need all the savings to fix the Defense . They spent the least money on defense among all NFL teams in 2020 61.4 Mil , except for the jets .

Yet ,Dak is not relenting one inch for the sake of this team like Mahomes or Brady and others did to help their teams .

look at the fabulous discount Mahomes gave the chiefs . A dream contract by all means for a super bowl winner . The chiefs were able to spend big on defense last year , spending 97 mil to stack up their defense ( 6th highest investment in defense among all teams ) . Mahomes cap hit was actually 5.3 mil in 2020 . If he continues to play this good , his cap hit will be 24.8 mil in 2021 , and 31.5 in 2022 . This is how you win Super Bowls !!!

In contrast, Dak’s cap hit last year was 31.4 Mil and now wants 40 mil a year.?? On top of the mistake expensive zeke and other contracts ?
This is how you remain irrelevant and 25 years away from a super bowl appearance !!

Why are creating Mythical scenarios based on unverifiable information (your opinion)?

 

[kskboys]

Last year was not relevant to the Mahomes extension because it had not kicked yet (he was still on year 4 of his rookie deal and the 5th year option is next year). As for the contract itself Mahomes took the equivalent of a fully guaranteed contract (because of how its structured) that pays him 45m per year and will 100% have to be extended 5 years in. That is not THAT much of a discount considering the guarantees he has.

As for Brady, he is not the breadwinner in that house. His wife makes more than he could get playing football by a significant margin.

Paying Mahomes 27 mil for the first 4-5 years of the contract is a huge discount. How in the world do you think it's not?

 

[kskboys]

That's pretty dumb statement.

If your company comes to you and says give up 5 percent of your salary and we can keep this other guy and make him happy, would you do it?

Us, mahomes got a new contract two years before his contract would end and got a whole bunch of money way in advance, it's different than having fulfilled your contract and now negotiating for a new one. Plus mahomes average is 50M which is way above current QB market and he will renegotiate in 4 or 5 years and push 60....

Your post is totally meaningless.

It's not asking him to give up anything. This is where you guys have a disconnect. It's asking him to take a reasonable salary.

Dak is not under contract, so there is no such thing as giving up any of his salary.

 

[USArmyVet]

Jerry was foolish not to pay Dak at the earliest opportunity.

The Cowboys got 40 wins from Dak during his rookie contract while paying him less than 1% of the salary cap over that period.

I can’t fault Dak for not giving a discount.

Sorry but when people criticize Dak it's a TEAM win or loss but when talking of Dak getting paid suddenly it's about Dak getting the team wins???? Can't have it both ways.

 

[USArmyVet]

Can't trade him. He has to be under contract to trade. That means he has to sign the tag.

If Dallas applies the non-exclusive tag to Dak he and his agent are free to negotiate with other teams and Dallas has a right to match or receive (2) 1st round draft picks in return. If Dak does not find another team to sign with and refuses to sign the non-exclusive tag then he forfeits his right to play in 2021.

So the perception that Dak holds all the leverage is not true as Dallas can apply the tag even after they possibly acquire another QB like Stafford or via the draft.

 

[USArmyVet]

That's pretty dumb statement.

If your company comes to you and says give up 5 percent of your salary and we can keep this other guy and make him happy, would you do it?

Us, mahomes got a new contract two years before his contract would end and got a whole bunch of money way in advance, it's different than having fulfilled your contract and now negotiating for a new one. Plus mahomes average is 50M which is way above current QB market and he will renegotiate in 4 or 5 years and push 60....

Your post is totally meaningless.

So you are trying to compare a blue collar guy making $50,000 and that of an NFL player looking at making $35 MILLION????? And you have the nerve to call anyone else stupid.

 

[fivetwos]

Umm, agents are paid to be selfish. He's literally negotiating what is likely the biggest payday his client will ever have.

They are paid to act in their clients best interest and advise them accordingly, not try to break records to attract other clients.

The injury Dak suffered could have easily been career threatening. Then what?

Instead he had him turn away 150 million dollars (more money than he could ever possibly spend) just so he could cash in more.

Wanting another payday when you already have more money than you can spend over peace of mind, playing where you want to, and financial security is called greed.

I don't think it's the player fueling that idea. Just my opinion.

 

[kevm3]

Why should he? The cowboys took care of the RB and the LB ahead of him and was fine playing him all the way out on that rookie deal. It's not like the cowboys are some winning organization, so if he's going to be here, he might as well get as much money as he can. You take discounts at WINNING organizations. The cowboys had him on a massive discount on that rookie contract and wasted all of that time with nothing to show for it and were still shopping in the garbage bin in free agency. Now, they sign all these other players to some of the most lucrative deals at their position but Dak is supposed to take a discount? Maybe when teh cowboys get an actual GM and show they are serious at winning should Dak think about taking a discount. Now ay in the world should he give a discount so the Jones boys can stuff more money in their pocket or sign guys in FA who won't even make the roster or finish the season.

 

[kevm3]

Paying Mahomes 27 mil for the first 4-5 years of the contract is a huge discount. How in the world do you think it's not?

Maybe the cowboys should have renegotiated Dak's contract two years before it was due like Mahomes and even Zeke if they wanted a discount. KC is also a winning organization where as the Cowboys are not. Why would Dak take a discount for an organization that has been mediocre for 20+ years? Maybe if they hire an actual GM and the criteria for next coach is more than being buddies with Jerry should any player here actually think about taking a discount, much less the qb.

 

[Risen Star]

At least partially because Mahomes deal was redone during his rookie deal, giving him less leverage than a player closer to UFA.

Also IMO Daks agent has a selfish agenda in this case.

Yeah, it's just his agent who is selfish.

 

[gjkoeppen]

The point is a severe ankle injury, even if healed 100%, is not as strong as prior to when the bone was broken. In other words the ankle is more susceptible to another break given the previous injury. Would you trust a house that has a load bearing beam that was previously broken and patched?

You're another one who just wants to push Prescott's injury but using fake news to do it. List all of the players that tore ACL's and then tore that same ACL again. Prescott had some pins and a steel plate put in when he had his surgery and I haven't heard anything about going back and having them removed. Funny this, not ha ha funny, those that have had pins and plates end up with STRONGER joints than before the injury. Not only do they have the bone that healed but also the steel from the pins/and/or plate. You can fret about Prescott's injury if that makes you happy, but I'll go by what the actual doctors and trainers who are treating Prescott say over someone who made his MD shingle in his garage that he's now using to dispense his medical wisdom. Let me guess you read an article in Reader's Digest on first aide and now you can play doctor on NFL injuries.
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[AbeBeta]

They are paid to act in their clients best interest and advise them accordingly, not try to break records to attract other clients.

The injury Dak suffered could have easily been career threatening. Then what?

Instead he had him turn away 150 million dollars (more money than he could ever possibly spend) just so he could cash in more.

Wanting another payday when you already have more money than you can spend over peace of mind, playing where you want to, and financial security is called greed.

I don't think it's the player fueling that idea. Just my opinion.

What if he had a career threatening injury? Wow. What a useless argument. You could say this anytime someone was negotiating a big contract

 

[lockster]

why is Dak allowing his contract saga to continue this long ? This is a great town with great state tax savings , and prime time endorsements , which Dak has already cashed in on . After all , Jerry selected Dak in the 4th round while others passed on him . Jerry surrounded him with the most expensive OL RB WR combos to succeed .

The cowboys need all the savings to fix the Defense . They spent the least money on defense among all NFL teams in 2020 61.4 Mil , except for the jets .

Yet ,Dak is not relenting one inch for the sake of this team like Mahomes or Brady and others did to help their teams .

look at the fabulous discount Mahomes gave the chiefs . A dream contract by all means for a super bowl winner . The chiefs were able to spend big on defense last year , spending 97 mil to stack up their defense ( 6th highest investment in defense among all teams ) . Mahomes cap hit was actually 5.3 mil in 2020 . If he continues to play this good , his cap hit will be 24.8 mil in 2021 , and 31.5 in 2022 . This is how you win Super Bowls !!!

In contrast, Dak’s cap hit last year was 31.4 Mil and now wants 40 mil a year.?? On top of the mistake expensive zeke and other contracts ?
This is how you remain irrelevant and 25 years away from a super bowl appearance !!

Because mahomes wants to win. He's smarter.. way smarter. How much is the love of Kansas and a superbowl ring, worth? Mahomes Boy knows. .
This is the difference between greed and love of the game!!!!!

 

[lockster]

Dal played his first 4 years and make $4.2 million total while giving top 10 production. He shouldn’t be asked to give discounts. He has earned his pay raise. Zeke needs to be giving some discounts.

Top ten production my bootae, he couldn't beat good teams.

 

[Aviano90]

Top ten production my bootae, he couldn't beat good teams.

We haven’t had a QB since Aikman beat good.
May never find one again.

 

[JJHLH1]

Why should he? The cowboys took care of the RB and the LB ahead of him and was fine playing him all the way out on that rookie deal. It's not like the cowboys are some winning organization, so if he's going to be here, he might as well get as much money as he can. You take discounts at WINNING organizations. The cowboys had him on a massive discount on that rookie contract and wasted all of that time with nothing to show for it and were still shopping in the garbage bin in free agency. Now, they sign all these other players to some of the most lucrative deals at their position but Dak is supposed to take a discount? Maybe when teh cowboys get an actual GM and show they are serious at winning should Dak think about taking a discount. Now ay in the world should he give a discount so the Jones boys can stuff more money in their pocket or sign guys in FA who won't even make the roster or finish the season.

Sadly, this post is spot on.

We know from first-hand experience over the last quarter century that the Cowboys are very unlikely to have any meaningful success with Jerry as the GM. I wish this wasn’t the case, but it is.

Given that fact why would Dak even consider giving the team a discount. He and his agent will likely play hardball again, get tagged again, and then leave for greener pastures after the 2021 season when he is an unrestricted free agent.