Give Dak a nonexclusive franchise tag

Frosty

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The market and the price aren't the same thing.

The market is $40. If, say, Chicago came in and said "we'll go to $45," that's now the price. The reason you don't do non-exclusive is because it forfeits all of your control. It's the same as not letting a guy get to UFA before signing him.

Just a really bad idea with a quarterback. 0 upside.

But it would give the Cowboys a choice to match, or get two 1st round picks.... at least it provides choices
 

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Well I understand is that you've never understood statistics and as such reject them out of hand.

I've tried to discuss with you outliers normalization and other statistical practices and you have no idea on the subject at all whatsoever.

Statistics matter they are a mathematical representation of real life events and as such can quantify and evaluate players on one level. At the same time it should not be the entire evaluation but I've never claimed it should be.

I'm more than comfortable discussing Prescott's play speaking to technique in the like.

I see, and you can explain that statement correct?

I am guessing you don't remember having already answered this question before, BTW.

"Statistics matter they are a mathematical representation of real life events and as such can quantify and evaluate players on one level. At the same time it should not be the entire evaluation but I've never claimed it should be."


Why do Stats matter in terms of paying Dak 45 AAV, explain it to me. They show nothing of importance in the only mathematical equation that truly matters in this discussion. Explain your position.
 

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Sure, if you want to be the Commanders, Bears, Broncos, etc.

It is easily the dumbest thing the Cowboys could do. Easily.

The Cowboys are not much different that the Commanders, Bears and Broncos.....
 

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You could add coaching - take your pick on personal favorites to point fingers at - and the defense as a whole. Injuries play a part at times, and of course, it's up to the coaches and management to be as prepared for injuries as they can with quality depth on the team.

But people like one stop shopping, so instead of accepting that one stop shopping isn't always possible, they sometimes pick one target to point a finger at. It's not fair minded, but as time goes by I realize more and more that there are a lot of people that don't really have much interest in being fair minded.
It just really simple,,, just comes down to player talent evaluation,, its that simple
Talent = Cap
the successful teams have this somewhat figured out, those that are best at it seem to succeed.
 

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Lol yes they are. They can throw the ball.


They are so much further ahead than those teams.

I agree that Offensively, we are better, but not that much better. Cowboys averaged 24.7, Bears 23.3, Skins 20.9 and Denver 20.2. All 4 teams are in the bottom half of the NFL in terms of points per game.

Consequently, all three of these teams are better then the Cowboys, in terms of points allowed per game so it kind of evens out.
 

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So... you think some team would give up 2 firsts for Dak …? :huh:
That would be just part of the leverage that France and Dak would have to except.
No team in this league would bite on the non exclusive tag for Dak.
 

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I agree that Offensively, we are better, but not that much better. Cowboys averaged 24.7, Bears 23.3, Skins 20.9 and Denver 20.2. All 4 teams are in the bottom half of the NFL in terms of points per game.

Consequently, all three of these teams are better then the Cowboys, in terms of points allowed per game so it kind of evens out.
The Cowboys were at about 31 ppg before Dak got hurt. OF course the QB situation with the Bears, Washington and Denver wasn't very settled either.
 

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Lol yes they are. They can throw the ball.


They are so much further ahead than those teams.

Cowboys can throw the ball....but cant play defense....Bears, Washington and Denver have good defenses just suck on offense.
 

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Cowboys can throw the ball....but cant play defense....Bears, Washington and Denver have good defenses just suck on offense.
Ok and throwing the ball is 500000000000000000x more important than having a good defense.

If you don't have a passing game you don't have anything. "Run the ball and play defense" is not a concept that works in the modern NFL.
 

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We could get lucky and receive 2 first round picks for him. The Colts traded for Wentz so they're out of the running. The Saints don't have enough cap room. Maybe a team like the Panthers (8th pick), Jets (2nd pick), or Broncos (9th pick) sign him.
Then What???
 

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Ok and throwing the ball is 500000000000000000x more important than having a good defense.

If you don't have a passing game you don't have anything. "Run the ball and play defense" is not a concept that works in the modern NFL.

Bucs Defense calls BS. So does the Chiefs Offense!
 

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That would be just part of the leverage that France and Dak would have to except.
No team in this league would bite on the non exclusive tag for Dak.

I was actually just poking a little fun at the language in the post I responded to. "I don't think no teams …"

But, to respond to you, I don't think there are many QBs teams would give that up for. Mahomes, sure, and maybe Russell Wilson, but I'm not sure anyone other than those two. Rodgers age might make people hesitate because to give up 2 first rounders a team needs to plan on that player being around and playing at a top level at least 4-5 more years.

That's why I disagree with people when they say the non-exclusive tag provides the chance to see what a player is worth on the open market. It really doesn't because a team doesn't have to give up 2 first round picks to sign a player on the open market. That dramatically changes how many teams would be willing to negotiate, and what they might offer.
 

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This never was nor will be leverage at all.
In any way.

I seriously weep for our collective lack of logic.

A non-exclusive tag does zero TO Dak Prescott. Z E R O.
He signs the offer whenever he chooses and gets paid 37.7M when he does.
He doesn't even as much as have to entertain any offers that might come in. BUT HE COULD.
He plays out this year then he gets to be a true unrestricted free agent.
His agent doesn't have to make or take a single phone call.

Some of you guys live in a fantasy world with goulash for brains.
 

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Since we now know Dak's contract demands the nonexclusive franchise tag is the only solution. Dak can sign an offer with another team. The Cowboys can decide to match if it's reasonable or get 2 1st round picks in return.
yes but will dak sign the tag, and if he doesnt till june , can other teams even make offers?
Cowboys cant trade him until he signs the tag either, so again dak can wait until june, and then other teams will have lost interest or already
got a qb.
everyone is assuming dak will just sign a tag, but I think he wont until last minute.
 

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This never was nor will be leverage at all.
In any way.

I seriously weep for our collective lack of logic.

A non-exclusive tag does zero TO Dak Prescott. Z E R O.
He signs the offer whenever he chooses and gets paid 37.7M when he does.
He doesn't even as much as have to entertain any offers that might come in. BUT HE COULD.
He plays out this year then he gets to be a true unrestricted free agent.
His agent doesn't have to make or take a single phone call.

Some of you guys live in a fantasy world with goulash for brains.
True points, but I'm sorry you are weeping. Would you like a tissue?
 

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yes but will dak sign the tag, and if he doesnt till june , can other teams even make offers?
Cowboys cant trade him until he signs the tag either, so again dak can wait until june, and then other teams will have lost interest or already
got a qb.
everyone is assuming dak will just sign a tag, but I think he wont until last minute.

It doesn't really matter when Dak signs the tag. Dallas can't trade him unless he wants to be traded. He can sign the tag tomorrow and that's it. He doesn't have to sign anything else. No team is going to give the Cowboys assets in a trade for a player that won't sign with them.
 

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Well, I'd guess it's because the Cowboys are trying to sign Dak. See, that's the part I don't get about all of this. Just because a person doesn't agree with the money or what have you, doesn't mean you don't want to get a deal done. It's like going out and buying a car, to me. I can take my Wife or my Kids to a lot and they can see a vehicle that they like. But before we ever step onto that lot, I tell them all that you have to be willing to walk away from any deal if it's not a good one. I explained to them early on that if you get into a bad deal, you end up working for your vehicle instead of enjoying it, which is what you envision when you see yourself driving that car, before you buy it. You want this car, you see yourself in it but it's gotta be the right deal or it turns into an anchor. This, IMO, is the same kind of situation we are watching with Dak. I mean, I get it, but I think you are absolutely right. I see no path to improvement if we overspend on Dak. Let me go a step further here and say that when we start seeing the talent that is going to get cut from other teams and those players start taking jobs with other teams for far less then we would ever expect, we are going to kick ourselves even harder over a decision such as that.

I think Jerry wants Dak, he just understands that it's a bad financial deal with regards to the cap.

JMO

That's as good of an example as any. But there is a possible silver lining if he does get signed. That's if the cap spikes in 2-3 years. But until then it won't be pleasant.

Sort of like spending too much on a car, but you know your salary will double in a years time.
 

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That's as good of an example as any. But there is a possible silver lining if he does get signed. That's if the cap spikes in 2-3 years. But until then it won't be pleasant.

Sort of like spending too much on a car, but you know your salary will double in a years time.

But if you were to suffer a set back, that car could easily become the difference between managing your bills and destroying your credit and losing the car, all together. It's a management thing. But it's also late on a Friday Afternoon so I'm gonna get up outta here.

Flam, you be careful this weekend, be safe but have fun. That goes everybody. Welcome to the weekend Y'all!
 
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