I wished we had signed Jameis Winston

[RonnieT24]

Once again Ronnie Bag-o-Wind fails to include context.

Winston has only played six seasons. Those other guys had many more years racking up those totals.

Well whaddaya know.. my stalker is still here.. If you had a brain you would know that the discussion was about single season totals not career totals.. so it really doesn't matter how many years guys played.. Hell Manning and Testaverde set their high marks as rookies... But you keep trolling.. I'm sure somebody cares.. just not me..

 

[dckid]

He is a turnover machine, that couldn't even get a starter's job on the open market last yr. It's not even a guarantee he starts this yr, either. Dak is clearly the better QB.

Yep you are correct. Dak got the money and now the team will reap what it sows.

 

[dckid]

Some people prefer ABD at QB..

ABD = Anybody But Dak.

I'm sure they have their reasons.. but precious few of them will be logical.

Some people are so blinded by Jerry that they miss the whole point. This is not against Dak....
This is against overpaying a good player. You Never pay elite QB money to a good player. It just never works out. Name me one time it has worked.
Not Cousins, Flacco ( paid after SB win), Goff, Wentz, Bradford, Jimmy G, Alex Smith, Romo.. to even a bit of a lower extent.. Stafford, Ryan,
90% of the guys I listed just won't move the needle in terms of taking a team over the top. Nothing personal against them.

The team had a chance to flip the table but we just decided to follow the same model which will lead us back to being 8-8. Most fans have resigned themselves to being compared to the Lions & WFT. What a great group to be in.
There a few who still hold out hope for reaching playoff success... 26 years.. whats another 10...

 

[America's Cowboy]

You are not very intelligent.. I am not moaning and crying. The Cowboys mad a very predictable move as always. We will scrap to 8-8 and things will be the same for the next 5 years. I see no path to a championship game.
When you make your QB the highest paid player in the league you have an expectation of winning. When Jerry signed Emmit in 93 I knew we were going to win the SB. This was not a smart move. This was what you do because you are afraid of finding the next guy.

 

[GMO415]

Hahaha. We don't have a DEF to survive all those INTs.

 

[Blackspider214]

I know all you Dak guys will lose your mind. But as I have been screaming all year I wish we had signed Jameis. Saints resigned him for 1 year @12 million. I have a hunch if he starts he will produce at Dak’s level.
I am not anti Dak, and it doesn’t even matter anymore as he is signed and just watch how the team has instant regret. He is not elite and that is what burns me.
I can’t believe I am the only one who feels this way. I honestly can’t see a path to going deep in the playoffs as this fan base hasn’t seen a championship game since January 1996. The days before the Netscape IPO, the AOL day, IRC chat. We have some 30 year olds who has never even seen any real Cowboys success. Just ponder that for a few moments.

Imagine Winston with this defense lmao. Wow. How delirious are you people? The same junk was said back in 2018. You think Dak is careless with the ball? You haven't seen anything yet with Winston. Dak is heads and shoulders ahead of Winston.

 

[morat1959]

I know all you Dak guys will lose your mind. But as I have been screaming all year I wish we had signed Jameis. Saints resigned him for 1 year @12 million. I have a hunch if he starts he will produce at Dak’s level.
I am not anti Dak, and it doesn’t even matter anymore as he is signed and just watch how the team has instant regret. He is not elite and that is what burns me.
I can’t believe I am the only one who feels this way. I honestly can’t see a path to going deep in the playoffs as this fan base hasn’t seen a championship game since January 1996. The days before the Netscape IPO, the AOL day, IRC chat. We have some 30 year olds who has never even seen any real Cowboys success. Just ponder that for a few moments.

Dak=Winston= no SB.

 

[RonnieT24]

Some people are so blinded by Jerry that they miss the whole point. This is not against Dak....
This is against overpaying a good player. You Never pay elite QB money to a good player. It just never works out. Name me one time it has worked.
Not Cousins, Flacco ( paid after SB win), Goff, Wentz, Bradford, Jimmy G, Alex Smith, Romo.. to even a bit of a lower extent.. Stafford, Ryan,
90% of the guys I listed just won't move the needle in terms of taking a team over the top. Nothing personal against them.

The team had a chance to flip the table but we just decided to follow the same model which will lead us back to being 8-8. Most fans have resigned themselves to being compared to the Lions & WFT. What a great group to be in.
There a few who still hold out hope for reaching playoff success... 26 years.. whats another 10...

I only need it to work once.. For my team. If you are unwilling to acknowledge that Dak is different from all the guys you listed here then there is nothing further to discuss. Just because those guys turned out to be bums does not automatically mean he will. I think Dak is better than all of them.. and he is still improving. The Cowboys simply need to address their other issues and they will be fine.. and if they don't it will not matter if they paid Dak 40 million or 40 thousand.. they will not be successful. Period. He's not the problem..

 

[gjkoeppen]

I know all you Dak guys will lose your mind. But as I have been screaming all year I wish we had signed Jameis. Saints resigned him for 1 year @12 million. I have a hunch if he starts he will produce at Dak’s level.
I am not anti Dak, and it doesn’t even matter anymore as he is signed and just watch how the team has instant regret. He is not elite and that is what burns me.
I can’t believe I am the only one who feels this way. I honestly can’t see a path to going deep in the playoffs as this fan base hasn’t seen a championship game since January 1996. The days before the Netscape IPO, the AOL day, IRC chat. We have some 30 year olds who has never even seen any real Cowboys success. Just ponder that for a few moments.

If you want a QB that has a history of giving the ball over to the defense then Winston nay be your choice. Lets take a look at his picks per season. starting his rookie year he has had 15, 18, 11, 14 and 30 in 2019. He didn't start a single game last season and didn't throw any picks but only threw 11 passes completing 7, 4 of those to a RB in the flat. Why you think he would be an upgrade to Prescott is a complete and total mystery.
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[Verdict]

I know all you Dak guys will lose your mind. But as I have been screaming all year I wish we had signed Jameis. Saints resigned him for 1 year @12 million. I have a hunch if he starts he will produce at Dak’s level.
I am not anti Dak, and it doesn’t even matter anymore as he is signed and just watch how the team has instant regret. He is not elite and that is what burns me.
I can’t believe I am the only one who feels this way. I honestly can’t see a path to going deep in the playoffs as this fan base hasn’t seen a championship game since January 1996. The days before the Netscape IPO, the AOL day, IRC chat. We have some 30 year olds who has never even seen any real Cowboys success. Just ponder that for a few moments.

I think Winston’s limitations are mental.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

LOL, Winston is horrible.

No matter what you think of Dak, signing a disaster like Winston doesn't help anything.

 

[Melonfeud]

I think what sucks about this whole Dak situation is the polarization of the fans. I feel like when people have to give a qualifying statement before making an honest appraisal of Dak, it's getting to be too much. Dak is more talented that Winston but is he 148 million over the next 3 years more talented? That'll remain to be seen. But right now Dak is better than Winston. But Dak is not elite. He's not an elite QB. That's a pretty much a solid fact. He may grow to be one but in 2021 and the last 5 years he has not been elite.

I think it sucks and I hope it stops that we have to say "I'm not anti Dak" or "I'm not against Dak" before making an honest statement about him. If you don't shoot out that qualifier then immediately the defensiveness comes out and the argument starts. At some point I would just like to be able to talk about Dak in the manner I talk about Cooper, Zeke, Martin, etc. If someone else has a bad game then we can talk about it without hurting feelings. If you want to say something about Dak that is true you have to define your agenda prior to the statement.

It gets old. I'm hoping that now the contract dispute is over we can talk about him as if he was a normal Cowboy and not a polarizing figure. I don't want to spend the next 4 years starting most of my sentences with "I'm not against Dak".

*Funny thing is that the overall majority of this 'in-house' assembled crew ,suffered ZERO qualms when it came to ripping& tearing a new one for our former #38 back in the not so distant past, er, which really only goes to show : "what the hell do a blithering bunch of vapid keyboard pogues know anyhow?",,,

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Why on earth would you want Winstons even if he is cheaper?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

As you know the cap can be maneuvered and the Cowboys did that with Dak, they added two voidable years to make the deal more cap friendly this year.
Just got to over the cap, and look up Dak's contract for 22 & 23 years, the cap hit is 33 & 44 million.
This year's hit is one thing, but think about all the players you could sign if you didnt have his contract on your books, you can stretch anyone else you sign.

like you said, cap can be manipulated, if the goal is short term, then the this first two years we have manuverability. Jamies is not the long term answer obviously. he won't get much cap relief. thus not sure what purpose it serves to sign him. since it won't lead to any championship or really allow us to get there....he had a top 5 defense. tons of tools and weapons....he went 7-9...... what's the expected result with a bottom feeding defense and his penchant to throw interceptins. he is also not a locker room nor game day leader. that was his reputation in Tampa. and he was 3rd in depth chart of Saints....

 

[Melonfeud]

right and the saints are so confident in him for one its 5.5 12 is with all escalators, they signed THILL some oddball all voidable deal and now have 2 qbs..when you have two you have none..old adage it means they aren't sure about either..now stop drooling over other teams.. Winston played what 30 snaps in 292303 wow HOF bro..straight baller..his old teams now winning SBS with a stoic stand up in the pocket 43year old qb..lmao..

Jameis is sold very low end qb..dude failed he was picked high and well laid an egg compered to expectation..well at least 5.5 mil will keep him from front loading his pants with meat..

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, ,, close out statement is confusingly HILARIOUS,,,

 

[dckid]

I only need it to work once.. For my team. If you are unwilling to acknowledge that Dak is different from all the guys you listed here then there is nothing further to discuss. Just because those guys turned out to be bums does not automatically mean he will. I think Dak is better than all of them.. and he is still improving. The Cowboys simply need to address their other issues and they will be fine.. and if they don't it will not matter if they paid Dak 40 million or 40 thousand.. they will not be successful. Period. He's not the problem..

Hey man, I can tell you are passionate as I am. I am not willing to acknowledge that Dak is different, because over the past 5 years he has not show to be any different. He is a good player when the system suits him. Nothing wrong with being in the group I mentioned in my previous post.
Success in the NFL doesn't just happen, you have to find an edge. All these teams have mountains of analytics trying to gain an edge on other teams. You don't kick the can down the road on a QB you want and then pay him 15 million more per year than you could have. That is being a bad GM.
How do you address the other issues you mentioned in your post? We couldn't address them from 2016-2020 when Dak cost nothing. He was the best value at the QB position in the league outside of a 1st or second year rookie.
The Cowboys fooled themselves into thinking Dak is an elite franchise guy and he isn't. The Winston example is just one of many, I would take Fitz over Dak at his price every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I like Dak, I wanted him to replace Romo. The move this year was to replace Dak and extract the value of trading him. You only don't want to trade Arod, Brady, Mahomes types. You will never get fair value trading a superstar QB and you will have no regret paying them.

The die has been cast, no turning back. I can only hope what my eyes and years of football watching are all lies and Dak becomes a superstar. Right now I don't see him taking this organization to a SB. We haven't been to a championship game in 26 years so please refrain from calling me a quitter on this organization, because I am not.
I am trying to think outside the box and I would suggest you all do the same. I remember the three titles, I enjoyed them very much so especially the 92,93 ones.
Until this organization changes its mindset we are 8-8 forever.

 

[blueblood70]

You obviously don't want to have a discussion, but I really wish we can pin this conversation when Dak plays like crap this year and NO is kicking butt.
If you follow football at all, Arians didn't want to have anything to do with Jameis, he basically said I will not deal with him and let the offensive coordinator handle it.
Jameis is no world beater, I know what he is. An average to above average guy. Dak is not an order of magnitude better. These gigantic mistakes don't just go away with the cap going up. The cheap QB advantage is gone. We need him to carry this team to 3 more wins than it is capable of. Good luck.
Please put a pin in this conversation.
My thought process was sign, Jamies or Fitz and fold the Dak hand. Either you trade him or let him walk. We have the most valuable franchise in all of sports buy we have to clowns running the show. 26 years of not making a championship is not a coincidence. It is based in factual reality.
This front office is not capable of going to the next level. They just don't have the smarts. Organizations realize after 4-5 years, even really dumb ones that a change is required in the way a team should be built....

blah blah blah JW is a bust until further notice..

 

[plymkr]

*Funny thing is that the overall majority of this 'in-house' assembled crew ,suffered ZERO qualms when it came to ripping& tearing a new one for our former #38 back in the not so distant past, er, which really only goes to show : "what the hell do a blithering bunch of vapid keyboard pogues know anyhow?",,,

I saw something on the internet the other day that I remind myself whenever I'm on this board. "Don't argue with an idiot, they'll pull you down to their level and beat you with experience ".

Some people on this site just want to argue and they don't care what is even being said. They just argue. I'm not doing that anymore. I'm talking football and I'm done arguing.

Lol, and yes #38 would have been one of the best player on this defense last year and we couldn't get him out of town fast enough. I also remember GROZ and now Zimmer would have been the best coach we've had since Jimmy. Lol, good times

 

[blueblood70]

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, ,, close out statement is confusingly HILARIOUS,,,

sorry I was in a hurray to run out to work had to type and hit send..) glad you were able to decipher..

He and Randall must have hug out together one got the draws the other got the meat..then they used the cologne and smelled each other after harassing woman..

 

[charron]

Incase people forgot, Dak was setting records in 2020....for throwing int's and fumbling. Not saying Dak isn't better he is but not 150 million better. Winston and Fitz both signed 10-15 million dollar deals but only for 1 year, dalton is also available probably for as cheap if not cheaper. And while they aren't better, we could get similar production with a healthy OL and allow the boys to hopefully build a better defense.