Listening to BTB and Locked on Cowboys

[CATCH17]

Nonsense. Frederick wasn't a reach, why cause you said so. Was at the end of the first round to 2nd round is where he was projected and that's where Dallas took him.

We reached for Travis Frederick.. We were drafting against ourselves.

Dallas had their board wiped and the only reason they took him there was for the 5th year option that they valued so much.

Nobody was drafting Frederick until maaaaaybe late 2nd or 3rd.

 

[Stash]

When you fall in love with a player you worry others love that player just as much and become paranoid someone will take him early. Hopefully Quinn is right on that one, because that did look like a big reach.

And I don’t think there’s going to be any in-between. He’s going to either look like a genius or an idiot.

 

[Creeper]

We'll have to see how it turns out in a a couple of years, but there is a strong argument Wright would have been available much later in the draft. And if not, would that have been a huge loss for the Cowboys? I don;t know how you could argue that not getting Surtain wasn't a big loss but losing Wright later would have been.

I was hoping the Cowboys would do as they have done in the past and moved up to get a guy they really wanted. I don't know how strongly they felt about McNeill or MIlton Williams, but it would not have take a lot to move up a few spots for one of them instead of Osa Odighizuwa. You could argue it was bad luck that those guys went before Dallas's pick but you make your luck, like Las Vegas did when the moved in front of Dallas to take Moehrig.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

We reached for Travis Frederick.. We were drafting against ourselves.

Dallas had their board wiped and the only reason they took him there was for the 5th year option that they valued so much.

Nobody was drafting Frederick until maaaaaybe late 2nd or 3rd.

Haha the fact you think you know where he would have gotten drafted.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Does your same standard apply to Mike Nolan last year?

Were you happy with Taco rather than TJ Watt?

No, but what’s your point? Teams make bad picks. It’s always happened and always will. The bottom line is you have to have input from the staff. It’s just common sense.

 

[Stash]

We reached for Travis Frederick.. We were drafting against ourselves.

Dallas had their board wiped and the only reason they took him there was for the 5th year option that they valued so much.

Nobody was drafting Frederick until maaaaaybe late 2nd or 3rd.

 

[Stash]

Haha the fact you think you know where he would have gotten drafted.

The attempt to push such a false narrative.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

The attempt to push such a false narrative.

You don't know where Frederick would have been drafted either so stop acting like you do. It's not a false narrative, it's facts pal

 

[Miller]

How do you know there was better value or where he would have been drafted? Do you have access to all 32 teams big board? Did any other team reach on a player in the 3rd round....... in your expert opinion

I’m no expert but there are guys out there that do this for a living who do as much work as scouts. I’m so sick of the defensiveness on the board about not liking picks or saying it’s “media.” Many of these guys like Greg Cosell and others literally watch film all year long. They talk to everyone. I know some scouting depts have reached out to him. Many of these guys niche is watching film and evaluations. A majority of big boards had this kid rated as a late rounder. There is no bias. They are evaluating. Yes there are instances of these guys being off and getting it wrong but just from an objective standpoint he was ranked as a 6-7 rounder based on his talent. So yes, I’d say taking him in the 3rd is a reach where there was more talent at other positions there. If they wanted him get him later. It’s pretty simple. Y’all act like the Jones family turned into draft gurus and we are supposed to clap like circus seals for every pick. I’d love all 11 guys to be studs but odds are against even half of them sticking. We reached in the 3rd.

 

[Rockport]

That pick made no sense.
Even if the kid becomes the next richard sherman...we could have gotten him in the later rounds. Or even trade down and still got him.

Now later they might claim that they believed another team was going to get him, and maybe that is true, but I highly doubt it.

You don’t know that. There may have been other teams that had him ranked higher than the BSPN talking heads casual fans seem to flock to.

 

[CouchCoach]

Some feel this coaches being involved in draft picks is only with the Cowboys, it is not.

If the GM trusts his coaching, he is going to involve them in the process.

Quinn was hired with a specific goal in mind, re-create the SEA defense so he will get a little more attention. He was probably more consulted than McC was.

 

[basel90]

On my way into work this morning they confirmed our 3rd round CB was absolutely a Quinn pick. The scouts were arguing for Cox, who was higher on the board. We got lucky in that he dropped to round 4.

The dynamic in the draft room is often discussed here so I thought it was interesting to confirm (supposedly) what was is actually happening in the war room. From everything I've heard and read it's a collaborative effort. Although they stick to the board for the most part, they will deviate if a coach feels strongly and puts together a case.

Also had the pleasure of listening to the DB Mukuamu interview and he's a really impressive kid. It wouldn't suprise me to see him stick in this league. My apologies if this has already been covered.

Jerry seems to trust Quinn more and more . Quinn stock is rising and if he improves the defense significantly, he will be the next coach if MM continues to slump and stumble .

 

[Stash]

No, but what’s your point?

Figure it out.

Teams make bad picks. It’s always happened and always will. The bottom line is you have to have input from the staff. It’s just common sense.

And how has what you want to call “common sense” worked out?

That’s right, we got the bust Taco vs the Hall of Fame-bound Watt.

And you want to just shrug your shoulders at ‘teams make bad picks’ as if that done how makes it OK.

It doesn’t.

 

[CATCH17]

The attempt to push such a false narrative.

Not false at all. Dallas even admitted they could’ve got him later but valued the 5th year option.

Everyone gave them heat for reaching. A lot of people had a 3rd round grade on Frederick.

He was a reach on draft day. Old news and now that hindsight tells us he was good we want to act like Dallas didn’t reach for him is ridiculous because they did.

 

[Rockport]

We reached for Travis Frederick.. We were drafting against ourselves.

Dallas had their board wiped and the only reason they took him there was for the 5th year option that they valued so much.

Nobody was drafting Frederick until maaaaaybe late 2nd or 3rd.

5 Pro Bowls and 3 time All Pro. Some reach. Keep posting.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I’m no expert but there are guys out there that do this for a living who do as much work as scouts. I’m so sick of the defensiveness on the board about not liking picks or saying it’s “media.” Many of these guys like Greg Cosell and others literally watch film all year long. They talk to everyone. I know some scouting depts have reached out to him. Many of these guys niche is watching film and evaluations. A majority of big boards had this kid rated as a late rounder. There is no bias. They are evaluating. Yes there are instances of these guys being off and getting it wrong but just from an objective standpoint he was ranked as a 6-7 rounder based on his talent. So yes, I’d say taking him in the 3rd is a reach where there was more talent at other positions. If they wanted him get him later. It’s pretty simple. Y’all act like the Jones family turned into draft gurus and we are supposed to clap like circus seals for every pick. I’d love all 11 guys to be studs but odds are against even half of them sticking

Watching film on this guy is one thing getting access to interviews, medicals and everything else is something completely different or even access to the teams boards.

I never said anybody had to like the pick or that he will be a great player. What I'm saying is most of you guys never even watched film on a player and that complain it was a reach or say he could have been drafted later. Nobody knows but the 32 teams and even they don't know when a team will take a player. Sure you can figure out most of the first round but after that not a single person knows when or where they will be drafted.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Figure it out.



And how has what you want to call “common sense” worked out?

That’s right, we got the bust Taco vs the Hall of Fame-bound Watt.

And you want to just shrug your shoulders at ‘teams make bad picks’ as if that done how makes it OK.

It doesn’t.

Well hell, why didn’t you take your brilliant *** to Dallas and set Jerry Jones straight about who he should listen to and who they should’ve picked! I’m 100% sure YOU would NEVER miss a pick although all 32 teams consistently do. You’re wasting your amazing talents on this board.

By the way, it’s easy to figure out. You one of the many that want to do nothing but ***** and moan about every damned thing.

 

[Stash]

You don't know where Frederick would have been drafted either so stop acting like you do. It's not a false narrative, it's facts pal

Nothing ‘factual’ about it. Learn the difference.

 

[fivetwos]

IF you watch them for about 20 seconds you'll see the Oregon State guy moves around a lot better than the SC guy.

They are talking about moving the SC guy to safety as well and to me he looks like a SS and not a FS.

I think they both are lumbering types. How either is going to play corner in this league I'd love to know, but ok...Dan Quinn knows all apparently.

He sure like his DBs tall.

 

[Stash]

Not false at all. Dallas even admitted they could’ve got him later but valued the 5th year option.

Produce the evidence of this claim.