Greeny, I want to be paid!

[Diehardblues]

Yup. But mostly, the teams w/ a D are still the ones winning super bowls. QB also a must.

Yep

I’d be happy just contending for them . Which is what teams like the Packers and Saints for example have been doing.

Yea, they won one but have struggled putting it all together consistently. But with Rodgers and Brees for example are always in contention , which I’d take over the crap we’ve had this era.

And why I’ve always argued for that Elite level of QB for us this era since we haven’t taken building defenses serious enough.

 

[Diehardblues]

We’ve had good enough QB’s if we’d built a great defense. But we won’t . Not sure we even really tried.

And why I’ve always argued this era for a more Elite QB since we don’t appear interested in building a great defense.

 

[JoeKing]

Depends on who their QB is. But most likely won’t be as good as Rodgers. And if Packers were smart wouldn’t trade him to a team that is good.

Are you not aware of the Packers roster? They didn't move up to draft Jordan Love just so he can remain sitting on the bench when Aaron Rodgers isn't available. It doesn't matter what NFL team you put Rodgers on, they are instantly good with him at QB. That's any NFL team.

 

[kskboys]

We’ve had good enough QB’s if we’d built a great defense. But we won’t . Not sure we even really tried.

And why I’ve always argued this era for a more Elite QB since we don’t appear interested in building a great defense.

We are incapable of understanding what it is that makes a great D. Non-football minds in charge.

 

[Diehardblues]

If your D can't make stops, you will not win a super bowl. If your D can't stop the run and win the battle at the LOS in the 4th, you will not win a super bowl.

True.

The difference in our argument is I’m lobbying just to be a more serious contender since defense either isn’t a priority for us or don’t have the ability to do so.

Your argument which is sound and I agree with is totally focused on winning championships where I’m arguing to simply contend for them.

Sincw this organization places a higher premium on offense , why not go after a more Elite QB. Instead we aren’t Elite on either side of the ball. And hence not a serious contender.

 

[kskboys]

True.

The difference in our argument is I’m lobbying just to be a more serious contender since defense either isn’t a priority for us or don’t have the ability to do so.

Your argument which is sound and I agree with is totally focused on winning championships where I’m arguing to simply contend for them.

Sincw this organization places a higher premium on offense , why not go after a more Elite QB. Instead we aren’t Elite on either side of the ball. And hence not a serious contender.

The ineptitude is baffling.

 

[TWOK11]

Coaching is a bit overrated in the NFL, it’s far more important at the lower levels of football where you have to put mostly inferior athletes in positions to best utilize the abilities they do have. The NFL is a two step algorithm: Do you have a Pro Bowl or All-Pro caliber QB, and do you have at least an average defense. If the answer is yes to both, you’re probably a contender. A good coach can make a bad team average or a good team great, but nobody is winning a SB without a good QB unless they have an incredible defense (which are becoming rarer and rarer).

 

[dwreck27]

Packers were in the luckiest situation going from one HOF QB to another

amazing they will only come away with 2 Super Bowls between the two of them and their careers

shows how inept that front office is that they couldn’t get some guys around them

 

[Diehardblues]

Are you not aware of the Packers roster? They didn't move up to draft Jordan Love just so he can remain sitting on the bench when Aaron Rodgers isn't available. It doesn't matter what NFL team you put Rodgers on, they are instantly good with him at QB. That's any NFL team.

He definitely makes any team better . And the right team could go all the way. But he’s not leading every team to a championship appearance.

 

[JoeKing]

He definitely makes any team better . And the right team could go all the way. But he’s not leading every team to a championship appearance.

Put Rodgers on the Jets roster. They are instant contenders.

 

[Captain43Crash]

interesting.

KC had their QB and the better head coach. How did they lose to Tampa?

DDDDDDefense!!! That’s how. A great defense, sometimes just a very good defense, beats great offense.

One of many examples: Tom Brady and Randy Moss and their undefeated 36 points a game offense( possibly the best Offense in history), could not beat a very good Giants defense in the Super Bowl.

 

[Reid1boys]

Yea, if I was the Packers I’d trade his butt to the Jets or Houston. See how he likes losing . Lol

you think Rodgers doesnt have a no trade clause?

 

[Reid1boys]

DDDDDDefense!!! That’s how. A great defense, sometimes just a very good defense, beats great offense.

One of many examples: Tom Brady and Randy Moss and their undefeated 36 points a game offense( possibly the best Offense in history), could not beat a very good Giants defense in the Super Bowl.

its ONE game, and the giants had everything go perfect for them.... Tyree helmet catch...pulease. If they played 10 games that season, the pats would have won 8.

 

[EST_1986]

Salary cap league.. This ain’t Jimmy’s league.. Cowboy fans still don’t get it.

Cowboys front office also doesn’t get it

 

[Hadenough]

Greeny today was talking (well its what he does) and I swear he must have been reading my posts. He was saying how he doesnt want to hear about the talent the Packers have put around Rodgers. He said that QBs like Rodgers have put all those surrounding players kids' in private schools. That it is RODGERS that made the pack good, and if you put an avg QB on the pack that team would be 7-9.

Hello.... its what Ive been saying fopr years. These GMs, coaches, WRs, RBs...... they are fall within that bell shaped curve. Theya re all good, but none are significantly better than anyone else..... uneil the HOF QB is on the roster. Then all of the sudden that coach is just a little bit smarter than the others. That GM is just a little bit better.... those scouts are just a little bit better...... and.. here it is.......... The owner must be great. He must not get involved. He hires coaches and lets them coach.... bahahahahhahahahahahahhah

QB, it starts and ends right there and it was absolutely proven beyond any doubt last season when a 72 year old Tom Brady joined a Bucs team that had been below avg for a very long time went out and won a SB, AGAIN!

Those summer coaching classes that Arians took last year must have really paid off. Hes great!

Rodgers is elite! He is also fed up with the way he is being treated. We better hope the Commanders don't land him. They would become instant SB favorites.

 

[Flamma]

Greeny today was talking (well its what he does) and I swear he must have been reading my posts. He was saying how he doesnt want to hear about the talent the Packers have put around Rodgers. He said that QBs like Rodgers have put all those surrounding players kids' in private schools. That it is RODGERS that made the pack good, and if you put an avg QB on the pack that team would be 7-9.

Hello.... its what Ive been saying fopr years. These GMs, coaches, WRs, RBs...... they are fall within that bell shaped curve. Theya re all good, but none are significantly better than anyone else..... uneil the HOF QB is on the roster. Then all of the sudden that coach is just a little bit smarter than the others. That GM is just a little bit better.... those scouts are just a little bit better...... and.. here it is.......... The owner must be great. He must not get involved. He hires coaches and lets them coach.... bahahahahhahahahahahahhah

QB, it starts and ends right there and it was absolutely proven beyond any doubt last season when a 72 year old Tom Brady joined a Bucs team that had been below avg for a very long time went out and won a SB, AGAIN!

Those summer coaching classes that Arians took last year must have really paid off. Hes great!

This is what you've been saying for years? That an exceptional QB makes a team better and they win more? You don't say?

It's the other players around the QB that wins championships.

Similarly if you have any halfway decent coach, and he happens to have a hall of fame quarterback, we're not going out on a limb saying he has an advantage.

 

[Zekeats]

If you wanna give the first super bowl to bill b over brady that’s fine. He has his defense ready to play maybe a little cheating going on too, in the end though brady still put together the game winning drive and it’s what started his legacy. Don’t forget they had a little luck with the tuck. Pretty much every super bowl after that was Tom. The one against the Falcons was a great job by the coaching staff especially mcdaniels. He was calling plays especially the 2 2 point conversions. I was impressed that Super bowl while not to take too much away from brady was Josh’s finest hour

 

[JoeKing]

you think Rodgers doesnt have a no trade clause?

Look genius, it's a fact, Rodgers doesn't have a "no trade" clause in his contract. Google it and shut up!

 

[Rockport]

you didnt prove anybody wrong. I specifically said to go back to 1995 and start looking. You went back to SB1... not what I said to do. And like I said, from 1995 to present, its rare for a team to win the SB without a HOF QB or an all time great defense. That is a FACT, not my opinion. The salary cap does exactly as intended.

You have to take the whole body of work not cherry pick since 95. So yeah, I proved you wrong you just can’t admit it.

 

[atlantacowboy]

All these teams are similar..

QBs and coaching is what separates teams.

Not defense.. Not skill players.. It’s the QB.

Qb is the most important position on the field but you don't need to be a HOF QB to win the super bowl. Their are plenty of examples of great defenses outshining the offense and getting a ring.