Imagine how much better CeeDee is going to be in 2021 with a full season of Dak Prescott

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It certainly sticks out as a game that reminded me just how far away from greatness we really are.

upsets happen in the NFL. even Jaguars won a game last year and so did the Jets....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yet. Our fans make excuses for other teams QBs lol

I don't

37+

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It's not that I don't like a QB that never won a Super Bowl. It's that, in my mind, they are simply not winners because they failed to get their teams to reach their goals as the leader and most important player on the team.

I understand your point about supporting casts, but since Dak has been in the league he has had one of the top supporting cast each year in my opinion.

Dak has a lot of years (hoperfully) to get it done, but only time will tell.

that's actually false premise that he has had great supporting cast every year. his first year he had Witten and Dez, both of whom we had wanted to replace...we had the good zeke that year. following year more of the same... in 2018 we started with Allen Hurns as the #1 WR......and I can't even remember the other guy....we got cooper mid season and I consider cooper good, but he is perhaps just in the top 15 in the league. the result was an 7-1 finish, playoffs and going 1-1 in the playoffs. so no, he hasn't had great supporting cast every year. some years have been average..

and if you look at all other QBs, they produce when they are given resources, except maybe for Rodgers (I consider him Elite). All other QBs have some really good recievers at their disposal and they maximize their production with those resources....I am sure you will say OL, but OL doesn't run routes, catch the ball. I am sure you will say Zeke, but see Zeke's output before and after Cooper. so you would be wrong to say he has had great supporting cast through out his career.

btw, I don't put much into 2016. not sure why we expect so much from a rookie QB and place blame on him. no rookie QB in the NFL has ever gone far in the playoffs or won a superbowl. only a handful made it their second year, like Marino, Brady (both all time greats).

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It's not that I don't like a QB that never won a Super Bowl. It's that, in my mind, they are simply not winners because they failed to get their teams to reach their goals as the leader and most important player on the team.

I understand your point about supporting casts, but since Dak has been in the league he has had one of the top supporting cast each year in my opinion.

Dak has a lot of years (hoperfully) to get it done, but only time will tell.

so Dilfer is a winner, but Marino is not...that's what you just said. thus you put Dilfer above Marino

 

[Ekspozed]

The coordinator change alone gets us to mediocre and then we go from there.

If we play the two rookie LBs it'll be a big upgrade but we won't. We'll only play Parsons and that will minimize the improvement some.

Maybe Bohanna can shore up the run defense. That would be a huge improvement that could get us towards average.

Other than that I've got nothing. This is not good defensive personnel.

You forgot we have 6'5 corners. Their height alone will cause at least 1 pass defended, by their helmet.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

And can our offense please show up in the first half…PLEASE!

2019, 1st quarter scoring Dallas was 18th, 2nd quarter was 6th!!! and for the half Dallas was 8th... so its just a perception. why? because defense gives up so much and expectations are that offense plays at such a level and score everytime they have the ball..so comparing that to defensive performance.
2019, defense 1st quarter scoring we ranked 21st...and for 2nd quarter we were slightly better at 12. for the half we were 16th..

for 2020, we were 32nd, in 1st, 2nd and for the half....

 

[RonnieT24]

2019, 1st quarter scoring Dallas was 18th, 2nd quarter was 6th!!! and for the half Dallas was 8th... so its just a perception. why? because defense gives up so much and expectations are that offense plays at such a level and score everytime they have the ball..so comparing that to defensive performance.
2019, defense 1st quarter scoring we ranked 21st...and for 2nd quarter we were slightly better at 12. for the half we were 16th..

for 2020, we were 32nd, in 1st, 2nd and for the half....

Yeah people whining about the offense not showing up in the first half seem all too willing to ignore the fact that the defense didn't get off the bus until halftime in a lot of games. The offense could score on 4 out of 7 possessions in the first half which would be amazing .. but the defense might give up scores on 6 of 7 and have us down two scores. And people would be losing their minds about the offense "struggling."

 

[Brax]

1) Dak was NOT healthy the whole season.. He should not have played the second Eagles game after not practicing all week.. you decide if you want to put having Cooper Rush as the backup that year on Garrett or the Joneses.. Either way, it was stupid.
2) Having Cooper call it a day after 3? snaps cost us that Jets game. And yes, having Garrett as HC led to the Cowboys not having a viable plan B if Cooper went down or was limited that year, which he was pretty much that entire season. Even without Cooper, Dak and the offense put up 22 points.. which if the defense had simply done it's job on a damn 98 yard TD pass would have been enough to win.

Dak's MO shouda, woulda, coulda and lots more excuses.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...ar-2-trying-to-improve-on-his-freshman-season

Blimey! Ceedee would be better even with a DiNucci. He doesn't need a bus driver like Dak to validate him.

 

[RonnieT24]

Dak's MO shouda, woulda, coulda and lots more excuses.

I just deal in facts.. You idiots keep saying we were 8-8 in 2019 despite everybody being healthy. And then get mad when someone points out that it's a lie. If one does not like being call a liar there's a simple solution. Stop lying.

 

[Rockport]

Blimey! Ceedee would be better even with a DiNucci. He doesn't need a bus driver like Dak to validate him.

Only at CZ will you hear someone say DiNucci is better than Dak

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yeah people whining about the offense not showing up in the first half seem all too willing to ignore the fact that the defense didn't get off the bus until halftime in a lot of games. The offense could score on 4 out of 7 possessions in the first half which would be amazing .. but the defense might give up scores on 6 of 7 and have us down two scores. And people would be losing their minds about the offense "struggling."

cleveland game was a great example...we held them once in 8 posessions in the first half. and the general complaint is we didn't keep up scoring with them

 

[RonnieT24]

cleveland game was a great example...we held them once in 8 posessions in the first half. and the general complaint is we didn't keep up scoring with them

To be fair the offense did commit two turnovers in that second quarter but I'm not one of those who automatically awards the opposing offense a TD after a turnover. I expect the defense to do its damn job. At least hold them to a FG once in a while.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I don't expect anything less neither. the goal for every team and every player should be superbowl. that's the standard and we should always examine why we didn't make it to the superbowl. not with a biased view, but objectively so we make the right decisions to make changes that will lead to a superbowl.

but you said: "Why do I hold him to a higher standard? He's the 2nd highest paid player ever."

and I simply ask, when in 2 years he is the 7th, 10th highest paid player, does your standard change...your logic was he is 2nd highest, so my standards are higher.

No it doesn't. He is professional athlete getting paid millions of dollars by my favorite team. He will still be one of the highest paid players ever in 2 years. Honestly, it's not even just about the money part. He's the QB. Get the job done or go somewhere else.

The bar will always be MVP or post season success. That's the bar I set for all QBs on my favorite team. That's the bar I've had since watching Troy Aikman win championships. If you are not getting it done then you should not get paid like you are or we should not waste anymore time pretending you are the answer. How many wasted years do we go through before we move on from a QB? That's always the tough question.

Let's say Dak took over for an injured Tom Brady instead of Tony Romo. Do you think when Brady became healthy that Dak would have kept the job? Absolutely not. The reason Brady would have been inserted right back into the position was because he is an MVP and Super Bowl Champion. The reason Romo lost his job was because he had no success. He wasn't an MVP or a Champion. He put up pretty numbers though, but that's all we ever got. The Cowboys saw their opportunity to move on and into a cheaper, younger, and more healthier direction and they took it.

If Dak has no MVPs and no post season success in a few years but is still putting up pretty numbers then we need to move on because he clearly is not getting the team to it's goals. We don't need 400 yards and 4 TD every game. That box score looks nice, but it clearly does not always lead to wins.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

so Dilfer is a winner, but Marino is not...that's what you just said. thus you put Dilfer above Marino

Dilfer is 100% a winner and Marino is not. That is a undisputable fact.

Of course skill wise they are not on the same level, but Dilfer knew his role and played it well.

If only Dak could know his role and was worried more about winning then texting 5th round rookie WRs about "lighting up the league".

 

[Brax]

I just deal in facts.. You idiots keep saying we were 8-8 in 2019 despite everybody being healthy. And then get mad when someone points out that it's a lie. If one does not like being call a liar there's a simple solution. Stop lying.

Facts are facts , you like most homers just want to believe alternate facts, the biggest truth is Dak disappears when needed to produce, 2019 is just a prime example, good teams Dak is a no show, keep lying to yourself. Not sure how mad even come up, I actual find it funny that homer idiots can keep regurgitating the excuses for Dak, excuses you have a thousand of them. As for idiots you are close to number one in your view of a Dak led team. We know he was hurt, it wasn't his fault thanks for those as well many other excuses for his disappearing act. In your and homers galore warped view Dak is as good or better that the top QB's, and that is idiotic. This is the year Dak has to prove what he is and it will be fun to watch and read your and others excuses of why he continues to fail in the critical games. 5 seasons and still waiting..........next is his ankle isn't fully healed, pencil it in.

 

[Knotamus]

So now Eli Manning is great.
Well that certainly convicts you of myopia.

You missed my point..

I didn’t think Eli was great. I thought he was a good QB that had a knack for clutch plays when the team needed him, so I won’t hate on the guy.

The point was.. He has two SB wins under his belt, yet (imo) he was never a great QB. So for those that think a QB is only great if they are in the SB, is dead wrong. But there’s a consensus out there that Eli was.. as a matter of fact, there’s presently a strong push for him to enter the Hall of Fame. So there’s that.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

To be fair the offense did commit two turnovers in that second quarter but I'm not one of those who automatically awards the opposing offense a TD after a turnover. I expect the defense to do its damn job. At least hold them to a FG once in a while.

agreed. as I have said in previous responses, it will happen. to scrutinize one game, one half and make generalization is meaningless. Tom Brady in fact threw two pick 6s in 2020 and they won both games. the defense held. not comparing Dak to Brady by any stretch (as dak detractors get upset when you mention his name in a Dak thread), but when best of them does it and the team recovers, then why shouldn't we have same expectations....and for that game, there is no excuse for giving up 200 yards rushing in one half. turnover or no turnovers.

 

[Bartlebie]

Fans want to pretend that Dak's injury erases what he was prior to the injury, which was an 8-8 QB. It's like the slate is wiped clean, and now that he is coming off a horrible injury and has been paid like the best QB in the game, he is going to automatically play like he's paid. When do we actually see that around here?

Silly rabbit, ignore list is for kids.

 

[Cowfan75]

Can’t answer the question huh.

What question? I already forgot what you typed.