Twitter: Kelvin Joseph Missed Practice With Illness

[JoeKing]

No he disappeared about the same time @MountaineerCowboy showed up. Could just be coincidence.

 

[AsthmaField]

I agree, but overly loving everything the team does is just as bad and hating everything.

Being reasonable means being able to look at things objectively. I don't believe Dak is a top 5 QB. I should not be attacked because I believe that. I don't believe the Cowboys are winning the Super Bowl. I should not be attacked for that.

There’s nothing wrong with a Cowboys fan thinking Dak isn’t a top 5 QB. I don’t, and I seriously doubt you’ll see me attacked for that. There is a lot I like about Dak and some that I wish he did better, but overall I think the team can win with him and I understand how much he means to his team mates. Reasonable. And nobody beats me up for that opinion.

But, if someone only points out his flaws, make fun of his bad plays and generally only talks about him in a negative light… then they probably aren’t a Cowboys (or Dak) fan. I mean, if someone says Dak is a top 10-15 QB, and then only makes fun of him and his mistakes… that doesn’t make that person a fan.

I hate the Eagles, Washington, and Giants, but I can admit when they do things better then us. That doesn't mane that I don't want to whip the field with them.That should warrant being attacked on here.

There’s nothing wrong with that. I like a lot that Washington and NY have done, and I have said it on this board more than once this off season. However, there is plenty that I like that Dallas has done, and I say that too. Speaking for myself, I have read you saying plenty of good things about our division foes… but have yet to hear you say anything good about Dallas. Maybe you have… but I haven’t read it.

So, if your magnanimous enough to talk about the good things NY and Washington have done… but not realistic enough to talk in a positive manner about anything Dallas has done… then you need to be prepared to be questioned. And not just not be positive about anything Dallas… but make fun of and be sarcastic about any positive with the team, then you aren’t being realistic when you’re surprised to be questioned.

It’s not just that you lack any positive feelings about the. Cowboys… it’s that you make fun of and use sarcasm about the team and it’s fans. So, it is pretty natural for the guys here to wonder if you’re a fan of the team at all.

Most of the members here have seen plenty of division rival fans masquerading as Dallas fans. And to be honest, they all are pretty much like you… except they usually sneak in at least a few positive things about the Cowboys, trying to throw people off.

I say all the time that my opinions are not concrete. If Dak comes out and leads us to wins and plays like an MVP I will be the happily admit it. I hope he proves me and the other doubters wrong.

. Well, I guess it’s good that if a Dallas player plays at an MVP level, you’ll admit he’s playing well.

 

[Redball Express]

I googled and read every article that I found and in no article did it give me a true explanation of what his character issues are, not one. So maybe you or anyone else can help me because I can’t find it. The only thing I see is that he was suspended for violating teams rules and he decided to transfer after that incident. I’m wondering what was the incident, but either so the team didn’t kick him off he left on his in accord. The only thing I keep hearing and reading is that he likes and performs rap musics. REALLY? The big bad rapper.

But yet I haven’t heard anything since draft day about Josh Ball, nothing! The white player with eleven incidents of domestic violence, yes ELEVEN, can quietly go about his business but the young black rapper has to constantly defend himself against hidden and unknown character concerns. Whatever!

Whatever Kelvin did it happened almost two years ago, he is now nineteen years old meaning he was only seventeen or eighteen when he did whatever it was. A child making a bad decision, that’s never happened before.

Yes Mountain he deserves a chance to have people just “let it go” has they have with Ball.

Interesting opinions. People generally assume too much in this information age. It's gotten so if fact checking on your phone does not find an answer. Then it must not be correct. I really do not care. Let's just hope he wants to play.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

There’s nothing wrong with a Cowboys fan thinking Dak isn’t a top 5 QB. I don’t, and I seriously doubt you’ll see me attacked for that. There is a lot I like about Dak and some that I wish he did better, but overall I think the team can win with him and I understand how much he means to his team mates. Reasonable. And nobody beats me up for that opinion.

But, if someone only points out his flaws, make fun of his bad plays and generally only talks about him in a negative light… then they probably aren’t a Cowboys (or Dak) fan. I mean, if someone says Dak is a top 10-15 QB, and then only makes fun of him and his mistakes… that doesn’t make that person a fan.



There’s nothing wrong with that. I like a lot that Washington and NY have done, and I have said it on this board more than once this off season. However, there is plenty that I like that Dallas has done, and I say that too. Speaking for myself, I have read you saying plenty of good things about our division foes… but have yet to hear you say anything good about Dallas. Maybe you have… but I haven’t read it.

So, if your magnanimous enough to talk about the good things NY and Washington have done… but not realistic enough to talk in a positive manner about anything Dallas has done… then you need to be prepared to be questioned. And not just not be positive about anything Dallas… but make fun of and be sarcastic about any positive with the team, then you aren’t being realistic when your surprised to be questioned.

It’s not just that you lack any positive feelings about the. Cowboys… it’s that you make fun of and use sarcasm about the team and it’s fans. So, it is pretty natural for the guys here to wonder if you’re a fan of the team at all.

Most of the members here have seen plenty of division rival fans masquerading as Dallas fans. And to be honest, they all, are pretty much like you… except they usually sneak in at least a few positive things about the Cowboys, trying to throw people off.

. Well, I guess it’s good that if a Dallas player plays at an MVP level, you’ll admit he’s playing well.

But, if someone only points out his flaws, make fun of his bad plays and generally only talks about him in a negative light… then they probably aren’t a Cowboys (or Dak) fan. I mean, if someone says Dak is a top 10-15 QB, and then only makes fun of him and his mistakes… that doesn’t make that person a fan.

I mean, I see poeple on here support Dak 100% but hate on Romo in the same vain. What does that make these poeple? Are they Cowboys fans? Are you allowed to hate on a former player for not getting it done when it matter, but if you do the same to a current player it's different? I don't believe any player, past or present, is off limits.

"There’s nothing wrong with that. I like a lot that Washington and NY have done, and I have said it on this board more than once this off season. However, there is plenty that I like that Dallas has done, and I say that too. Speaking for myself, I have read you saying plenty of good things about our division foes… but have yet to hear you say anything good about Dallas. Maybe you have… but I haven’t read it."

I don't talk much about division foes. I guess it's just easier to look at other teams and wish the Cowboys were doing things that way. I don't do it with just division foes. If I see other teams sign a player, hire this coach, or make a move that I wanted the Cowboys do to then I point it out. I wouldn't call it praise, but mores so a type of jealousy.

"So, if your magnanimous enough to talk about the good things NY and Washington have done… but not realistic enough to talk in a positive manner about anything Dallas has done… then you need to be prepared to be questioned. And not just not be positive about anything Dallas… but make fun of and be sarcastic about any positive with the team, then you aren’t being realistic when your surprised to be questioned."

The only positive things the Cowboys have done in my opinion since the 90s is hire Parcells to light a fire, not resign Murray, keep Dak over Romo, release Dez, trade for Cooper, and fire Garrett. Let's face it, none of that has lead to any success. They have made WAY more bad decisions then they have good ones.

"Well, I guess it’s good that if a Dallas player plays at an MVP level, you’ll admit he’s playing well"

Ya see? It's the passive aggressive stuff like that that is unnecessary.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Can we stop being sensationalists and speculating without any facts just because some posters don’t like his demeanor? If he does something worrisome then we can worry, until then let’s not assume that routine things are signs of doom. Haven’t seen anyone be this scrutinized this quickly in a while.

Well then how can I just be negative, complain and find problems. I need to blame some one and point fingers.

Oh well dang it I just have to go back and complain about Dak

 

[Cowpolk]

How can a guy have a character issue if no one knows what the issue is?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

No he disappeared about the same time @MountaineerCowboy showed up. Could just be coincidence.

Moutaineer doesn't come across as some new poster either. He posts with the same tone as other guys that's been on this site for awhile do. Interesting observation.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

How can a guy have a character issue if no one knows what the issue is?

I've been asking this for some time. What exactly is his character issue?

 

[Aven8]

Just as I said in Risens thread.....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yes, when a player comes in with a stigma attached to him, it is up to him to change that.

Hardy came in as a ?, did he change that?

Dez came in with a ?, did he change that. Only player to ever walk off the field before the gun.

Gregory had a to have a rule change to stay in the NFL.

Once any player shows a questionable trait, it is up to him to change that perception.

This isn't remotely guilty until proven innocent, he brought the guilt with him and that guilt is his to keep or erase. The reason some jumped the gun on him is because of his history and he earned that. Whatever that is, I have no idea.

Ball has the same perception to erase, if he can.

We are who people think we are until that perception changes and people do not change that on their own.

And that's a issue. He shouldn't have a "stigma" on him. He should be coming in with a fresh slate.

I don't recall Dez coming in with any question marks. Surely not by me. Hardy..of course he did and rightfully so. HE wasn't a rookie. He was a veteran.

 

[Rockport]

Moutaineer doesn't come across as some new poster either. He posts with the same tone as other guys that's been on this site for awhile do. Interesting observation.

I got the same impression.

 

[CouchCoach]

And that's a issue. He shouldn't have a "stigma" on him. He should be coming in with a fresh slate.

I don't recall Dez coming in with any question marks. Surely not by me. Hardy..of course he did and rightfully so. HE wasn't a rookie. He was a veteran.

Dez had all kinds of red flags to most people because of lying to the NCAA and losing his season but I had inside info with the coaching staff at OSU and Dez had been such a problem child for them his position coach was glad he lost that season.

The stigma is there, that's why Booger couldn't take a chance on Moss after Irvin showed what he was. Hell, Collins got the stigma and didn't do anything.

Innocent until proven guilty is just a saying when it comes to the court of public opinion.

Joseph carries that with him and none of us are even sure what caused him to leave LSU and head to SC. Some say disagreement with coaches, some say drugs but he does not have the upstanding citizen image that Horn and Surtain have.

I am not saying it is right, just stating what I see. Any player that has that attached to him has to erase it, people do not do that for him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dez had all kinds of red flags to most people because of lying to the NCAA and losing his season but I had inside info with the coaching staff at OSU and Dez had been such a problem child for them his position coach was glad he lost that season.

The stigma is there, that's why Booger couldn't take a chance on Moss after Irvin showed what he was. Hell, Collins got the stigma and didn't do anything.

Innocent until proven guilty is just a saying when it comes to the court of public opinion.

Joseph carries that with him and none of us are even sure what caused him to leave LSU and head to SC. Some say disagreement with coaches, some say drugs but he does not have the upstanding citizen image that Horn and Surtain have.

I am not saying it is right, just stating what I see. Any player that has that attached to him has to erase it, people do not do that for him.

Its just a saying but it shouldn't be. A person should be judged based on what actions they show you. Not based on what someone else told you because who knows what that coach is about. Maybe the coach didn't like him to begin with. Maybe he has certain bias's. Same issues our judicial system currently suffers as well.

La'El Collins is a PRIME example of why you shouldn't believe everything you hear.

People don't even know what's going on with Joseph to even have a stigma on him.

 

[Jarntt]

Y'all remember a lot of the backlash when Hardy was signed? Now, do you remember how the crowd reacted with his first sack?
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I wish the crowd could have "reacted" more than 6 times taking on that price of crap. Perfect example of the downside of a player acquisition not even being close to worth to the upside. Worse when most saw it coming beforehand.

As far as I know Joseph never tossed a woman onto a futon covered in assault rifles and choked her half to death...so I'm good if he's just a young kid that takes a year or two to hit his stride and win a job...

 

[Corso]

I don't think it's wrong to believe a guy with a history of character issues does in fact have character issues.

Some of ya'll thought every year single year was the year that Randy Gregory had finally got it together. He NEVER got it together. It took a rule change for him to have a career. Some guys just don't change from the person that had "character concerns" pre draft.

I'm glad that it's nothing major, but Joseph didn't deserve the benefit of the doubt yet. His issues take time to develop trust. I don't care if he does have a star on his helmet.

Completely understandable. I don't like to jump the gun, so to speak, but I get this line of thinking.

 

[erod]

Its just a saying but it shouldn't be. A person should be judged based on what actions they show you. Not based on what someone else told you because who knows what that coach is about. Maybe the coach didn't like him to begin with. Maybe he has certain bias's. Same issues our judicial system currently suffers as well.

La'El Collins is a PRIME example of why you shouldn't believe everything you hear.

People don't even know what's going on with Joseph to even have a stigma on him.

If you don't consider history and trends of behavior, you're silly, naive, and easy prey.

 

[GORICO]

Can we stop being sensationalists and speculating without any facts just because some posters don’t like his demeanor? If he does something worrisome then we can worry, until then let’s not assume that routine things are signs of doom. Haven’t seen anyone be this scrutinized this quickly in a while.

total total agreement---he is going to be real real good and he probably has flu at present

 

[GORICO]

He was sick? Clearly a gangbanging thug. Why Jerry why



Hope he's feeling better

Otis looks completely unhappy with the exaggeration of Kelvin Joseph

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Like to hear some of your opinions, but I applaud the seeming changing of draft approach from drafting Garrett’s “right kind of guys” to drafting “dawgs” like Parsons and Joseph. While the RKG approach got us some good locker room guys, many of them were soft. Look no further than Jaylon Smith. Great, inspirational story. Physically talented. Good guy. Bad football player who lacks toughness... Will Parsons and Joseph be worth the risk given their off-the-field issues? I don’t know. But I do know that a football team needs as many Charles Haley’s, Erik Williams’ and Michael Irvin’s as Troy Aikman’s, Emmitt Smith’s and Darryl Johnson’s to have the right identity. Their must be tough and a bit of crazy, mixed in with rule followers... So I look forward to Parsons and Joseph being “dawgs” because this team sorely needs that and not all “RKGs.” If that comes with some rap albums, stupid tweets, missed practices, fine, as long as they play and compete hard on the football field.

 

[GORICO]

I don't think it's wrong to believe a guy with a history of character issues does in fact have character issues.

Some of ya'll thought every year single year was the year that Randy Gregory had finally got it together. He NEVER got it together. It took a rule change for him to have a career. Some guys just don't change from the person that had "character concerns" pre draft.

I'm glad that it's nothing major, but Joseph didn't deserve the benefit of the doubt yet. His issues take time to develop trust. I don't care if he does have a star on his helmet.

i have learned i am a much happier person giving people benefit of the doubt and if the mess up forgiving them?....but just my lowly opinion