Still hard for Cowboys to win with Jones style ownership

[Diehardblues]

No, the Cowboys, Lions and Football Team are the most inept franchises of the past 25. Those 3 teams are the only teams not to make it to a championship game. All the other 28 teams have been more successful than the Cowboys, Lions, and WFT. The other 28 teams have been a game away from the SB. We haven't. Poor management and poor culture.

While I agree with your intentions there needs to be a slight correction.

Cowboys are one of only 3 teams during this time span not to appear in a championship game. But that’s just the NFC, not the entire NFL.

The Bengals and Dolphins haven’t made a championship appearance since our last. Buffalo was in that group until last year.

While our futility this era is well noted we must provide the correct data when presenting as such. Thanks

 

[Sydla]

Ok. Jerry is the butterfly who flaps his wings which leads to everything that happens. Except for the good things which happen.

I mean yeah. Jerry is the GM. He picks the players, he picks the coaches. He's responsible for everything that happens. If the team has a roster deficiency, that's on him. Like for example, a few years ago they decided that Allen Hurns and some other JAGs were a good enough WR corps. They weren't and the team suffered. That wasn't the fault of Hurns or Austin, that was Jerry's fault for not understanding his WRs weren't all that good. He kept Garrett for far too long. He foisted an old, out of the game Monte Kiffin on the franchise. He elevated Marinelli.

He's responsible for all of it. There hasn't been that much good in the last 25 years since Jerry has become the sole decision maker after Jimmy left. A few 10+ win seasons and that's it. Chew on this, over the last 25 years..........

- Made the playoffs only 10 out of those 25 seasons
- Won 10 or more games only 8 times out of those 25 seasons
- Won 11 or more games only 4 times out of those 25 seasons
- 4 total playoff wins
- Zero NFC Title game appearances

So sure, kudos to Jerry for building only four 11+ win teams in 25 years. Well done, Jerry.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

I mean yeah. Jerry is the GM. He picks the players, he picks the coaches. He's responsible for everything that happens. If the team has a roster deficiency, that's on him. Like for example, a few years ago they decided that Allen Hurns and some other JAGs were a good enough WR corps. They weren't and the team suffered. That wasn't the fault of Hurns or Austin, that was Jerry's fault for not understanding his WRs weren't all that good. He kept Garrett for far too long. He foisted an old, out of the game Monte Kiffin on the franchise. He elevated Marinelli.

He's responsible for all of it. There hasn't been that much good in the last 25 years since Jerry has become the sole decision maker after Jimmy left. A few 10+ win seasons and that's it. Chew on this, over the last 25 years..........

- Made the playoffs only 10 out of those 25 seasons
- Won 10 or more games only 8 times out of those 25 seasons
- Won 11 or more games only 4 times out of those 25 seasons
- 4 total playoff wins
- Zero NFC Title game appearances

So sure, kudos to Jerry for building only four 11+ win teams in 25 years. Well done, Jerry.

Yep, definitely one of the most severe cases of Jerry Derangement Syndrome. Sorry, no cure. You are too far gone. I would suggest comparing the same data you provided with other teams. Take into account those teams with QBs who step up when the big lights come on: Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Roth, etc.

Romo and Dak, to date, have not stepped up in the win or go home games. Yes, that is on Jerry. Jerry tends to be too loyal to a fault with players, the same players who can’t kick it into turbo when all the chips are down.

 

[kskboys]

Yep, definitely one of the most severe cases of Jerry Derangement Syndrome. Sorry, no cure. You are too far gone. I would suggest comparing the same data you provided with other teams. Take into account those teams with QBs who step up when the big lights come on: Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Roth, etc.

Romo and Dak, to date, have not stepped up in the win or go home games. Yes, that is on Jerry. Jerry tends to be too loyal to a fault with players, the same players who can’t kick it into turbo when all the chips are down.

Why? Other team's travails have nothing to do w/ our problems.

It appears to me as if you may be the one w/ JDR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is on Jerry. It's mostly due to lack of D, caused by poor/odd drafting and poor FA evaluation.

 

[cowboyblue22]

jimmy johnson was the real reason we won in the nineties until jerry the clown jones moves on this team will never see another championship season

 

[Sydla]

Yep, definitely one of the most severe cases of Jerry Derangement Syndrome. Sorry, no cure. You are too far gone. I would suggest comparing the same data you provided with other teams. Take into account those teams with QBs who step up when the big lights come on: Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Roth, etc.

Romo and Dak, to date, have not stepped up in the win or go home games. Yes, that is on Jerry. Jerry tends to be too loyal to a fault with players, the same players who can’t kick it into turbo when all the chips are down.

You keep acting like the last 25 years has seen some real results, ergo Jerry has done a nice job. All I am giving you is facts. 4 teams that won 11 or more games in 25 years from a supposed elite franchise is pathetic. No matter what kind of spin or cherry you want to lob on top of that turd sundae, it's still a turd sundae.

The issue is you have Cowboys bi-polar disease. One on hand, you'll walk around and tell everyone that the Cowboys are one of the great NFL franchises. But then turn around and act like it's really hard to have success in this league and the Cowboys are no different than other franchises in terms of success. I mean hey guys, at least we aren't the Browns therefore Jerry has done a nice job!

Any sane, logical fan who looks at the last 25 years would easily say it's not been a very good run. And that the only constant during that entire 25 year run is Jerry Jones. He's changed the players. He's changed the head coach. He's changed the assistant coaches. He's changed front office personnel. The results have stayed the same. But despite all of that, according to you, apparently Jerry has done a nice job but everyone else has let him down.

Think how silly that sounds. That over 25 years, hundreds of different players, multitudes of new assistants and front office people, multiple new head coaches (all picked by Jerry mind you) that most of them let Jerry's solid roster decision making down. LOL.

 

[CouchCoach]

All you need to know about Booger and how he views this team is to watch his response when asked about fans challenging his running of his team. "Let them put down 140M of their money and then they can talk". That is him in a nutshell.

He bought it. He owns it. He's going to run it anyway he sees fit.

And playing devil's advocate here, in 30 years that 140M has turned into 6B and they haven't won anything of substance in 25 years. Every year, it leads in profit and value.

So, ask yourself who he sees looking back at him in the mirror each morning. This failed and struggling GM or this very successful businessman.

He was denied the spotlight in the first 5 years and has spent the last 25 owning it. Like it or not, and I do not like it, he is the face of the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[Diehardblues]

All you need to know about Booger and how he views this team is to watch his response when asked about fans challenging his running of his team. "Let than put down 140M of their money and then they can talk". That is him in a nutshell.

He bought it. He owns it. He's going to run it anyway he sees fit.

And playing devil's advocate here, in 30 years that 140M has turned into 6B and they haven't won anything of substance in 25 years. Every year, it leads in profit and value.

So, ask yourself who he sees looking back at him in the mirror each morning. This failed and struggling GM or this very successful businessman.

He was denied the spotlight in the first 5 years and has spent the last 25 owning it. Like it or not, and I do not like it, he is the face of the Dallas Cowboys.

Right.. and like it or not we haven’t cumulatively sent him the right message.

Instead we’ve rewarded him for his foolishness. Why would he change . He must assume we love it.

 

[Sydla]

All you need to know about Booger and how he views this team is to watch his response when asked about fans challenging his running of his team. "Let than put down 140M of their money and then they can talk". That is him in a nutshell.

He bought it. He owns it. He's going to run it anyway he sees fit.

And playing devil's advocate here, in 30 years that 140M has turned into 6B and they haven't won anything of substance in 25 years. Every year, it leads in profit and value.

So, ask yourself who he sees looking back at him in the mirror each morning. This failed and struggling GM or this very successful businessman.

He was denied the spotlight in the first 5 years and has spent the last 25 owning it. Like it or not, and I do not like it, he is the face of the Dallas Cowboys.

Great businessman, not so great GM.

 

[Diehardblues]

Great businessman, not so great GM.

I hear ya… But thats arguable when the business at hand is football.

Basically he snookered the league with his lawsuit paving the way for his revolutionary revenue streams enabling continued success off the field without continued success on the field.

He basically ruined not only our football franchise but the entire league. It’s no longer a football league. It’s an entertainment entity. Success no longer revolves around success on the field. Booooooooooooo!!!!!

 

[plymkr]

While I agree with your intentions there needs to be a slight correction.

Cowboys are one of only 3 teams during this time span not to appear in a championship game. But that’s just the NFC, not the entire NFL.

The Bengals and Dolphins haven’t made a championship appearance since our last. Buffalo was in that group until last year.

While our futility this era is well noted we must provide the correct data when presenting as such. Thanks

Ah thanks, didn't think about the AFC. Still doesn't help that we're 1 in 5 teams not to appear in a championship game instead of 1 of 3.

 

[plymkr]

All you need to know about Booger and how he views this team is to watch his response when asked about fans challenging his running of his team. "Let than put down 140M of their money and then they can talk". That is him in a nutshell.

He bought it. He owns it. He's going to run it anyway he sees fit.

And playing devil's advocate here, in 30 years that 140M has turned into 6B and they haven't won anything of substance in 25 years. Every year, it leads in profit and value.

So, ask yourself who he sees looking back at him in the mirror each morning. This failed and struggling GM or this very successful businessman.

He was denied the spotlight in the first 5 years and has spent the last 25 owning it. Like it or not, and I do not like it, he is the face of the Dallas Cowboys.

He's both. He's a failed football man and a successful businessman. His football skills are on display with 25 years of mediocrity and his businessman skills are on display with 6 billion.

Unfortunately we as fans don't get any of that money, we just get the mediocrity.

 

[Big_D]

He's both. He's a failed football man and a successful businessman. His football skills are on display with 25 years of mediocrity and his businessman skills are on display with 6 billion.

Unfortunately we as fans don't get any of that money, we just get the mediocrity.

But it’s odd when some fans brag about his ability to make money or better yet, “keep the Cowboys relevant” through that mediocrity. Success on the field has become an afterthought! It’s about Jersey sales and tv ratings and his spot at the top of the Forbes list!

 

[9of11]

All you have to look at but at a younger age is Mark Cuban of the Mavs...Mark and Jerry are one in the same....overbearing owner that wants to win badly but cant see the fact that they are the ones holding the team back...they cant get out of the way of themselves....

 

[garyo1954]

Jerry's plan backfired. That's my explanation.

When Jerry helped bring in the Salary Cap he expected the players and fans to continue the normal loyalty to team. He expected the Cowboys to continue to win and attract the high caliber free agent talent they had always been able to get.

Problem was Jerry's Salary Cap introduced a new variable he didn't account for: Money.

Now players don't play for loyalty, team, family, or any of the reasons they once did.
They play for money. And playing for money means free agents are going to whatever team has the most money to pay in a given year.
Championships mean little when money becomes a factor.

Jerry, like any other owner, now pays top dollar for a loyalty that only lasts as long as the money keeps pouring in.
Taco, Irving, and Jones, et. al., moved on. They are no longer part of the Cowboy legacy. They no longer matter to Cowboy fans.

And it will be the same with some of these players. Players choose their teams by the dollars they can accrue versus teams choosing players that can help them achieve a championship.

Thank Jerry Jones for that innovative plan as well.

 

[Diehardblues]

Ah thanks, didn't think about the AFC. Still doesn't help that we're 1 in 5 teams not to appear in a championship game instead of 1 of 3.

Yea. That’s who our peers are this era.

 

[Diehardblues]

He's both. He's a failed football man and a successful businessman. His football skills are on display with 25 years of mediocrity and his businessman skills are on display with 6 billion.

Unfortunately we as fans don't get any of that money, we just get the mediocrity.

Ironically though we contribute to that 6 billion.

What a shame we haven’t made him suffer for his mediocrity on the field. Instead we’ve rewarded him.

 

[CouchCoach]

Jerry's plan backfired. That's my explanation.

When Jerry helped bring in the Salary Cap he expected the players and fans to continue the normal loyalty to team. He expected the Cowboys to continue to win and attract the high caliber free agent talent they had always been able to get.

Problem was Jerry's Salary Cap introduced a new variable he didn't account for: Money.

Now players don't play for loyalty, team, family, or any of the reasons they once did.
They play for money. And playing for money means free agents are going to whatever team has the most money to pay in a given year.
Championships mean little when money becomes a factor.

Jerry, like any other owner, now pays top dollar for a loyalty that only lasts as long as the money keeps pouring in.
Taco, Irving, and Jones, et. al., moved on. They are no longer part of the Cowboy legacy. They no longer matter to Cowboy fans.

And it will be the same with some of these players. Players choose their teams by the dollars they can accrue versus teams choosing players that can help them achieve a championship.

Thank Jerry Jones for that innovative plan as well.

Part of that plan was self-preservation. He was far from being the fattest cat in the league and this perception that with no cap in place, he would have all of the high priced talent is totally without merit.

With the cap in place, he's under no pressure because a lot of the Dallas fans would expect him to buy up all the stars.

 

[Big_D]

Part of that plan was self-preservation. He was far from being the fattest cat in the league and this perception that with no cap in place, he would have all of the high priced talent is totally without merit.

With the cap in place, he's under no pressure because a lot of the Dallas fans would expect him to buy up all the stars.

it’s a misconception cause he wasn’t doing that when there was no cap, yet people believe his checkbook bought those championships. And when he splurged for Deion the cap was in place!

 

[Diehardblues]

it’s a misconception cause he wasn’t doing that when there was no cap, yet people believe his checkbook bought those championships. And when he splurged for Deion the cap was in place!

Right

The Cap was put in place solely to fix the players total salary. Anytime a business can place a cap or fix on labor cost it’s a win win for the company or industry.

Especially if revenue continues to increase. Imagine if salaries had increased like the revenue has. We’d have billionaire QB’s already.

Brilliant move by owners. Who cares if it’s watered down the talent pool . There’s still cream at the top. Just not as much under the hood.

Fans are ok with billionaire owners but struggle with multi millionaire players. Go figure.