Dak Prescott Calls out ‘Bandwagon’ Cowboys Fans

[McKDaddy]

Funny people are so obsessed with this "Elite" label which really has no standard measurement.

Yes, Dak can play quite badly, as can every other QB who ever played the game. Startling revelations.

Folks like to talk analytics about lot of things but don't want to apply the same thinking to QB play. It's not that a QB makes a bad throw or has a bad game but the "rate" at which they do it is what separates the tiers.
I did an analysis a few years back where I looked at Drew Brees "bad" passes per game. I excluded intentional throw aways or it wasn't clear who made the mistake (things like the receiver broke inside & the ball was thrown to the boundary). His rate of bad throws was consistently single digits, generally in the 4 - 8 % range. He had one "bad" game where he was like 12%. During that same period, Dak's best game was like 15%. He was generally in the 25% range with one game being above 30%.
Now Dak has improved since then so I'm not saying this is the case now BUT it clearly demonstrates how far he was from being elite. I mean three bad passes out of thirty is still 10%. It's a lofty target, but the best in the game do it consistently.

 

[G2]

You guys crowed Dak before he did anything.

Some of us are "wait and see" types.

I have accepted that Dak is just what he is and he's never going to be more than a QB that needs elite teammates all around him to look good. It's year 6. It's been long enough to judge him. If you can't accept that then that's your problem, not mine.

Stop making up lies. "Before he did anything?" Seriously, what are you talking about?

 

[kskboys]

Athletes sound stupid when they say stuff like this.

Fans are emotional. Hence why they are called “fans”.

Dak needs to hire a publicist.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Dak needs to hire a publicist.

All of this will go away if Dak can step up and play better. You know do what his worshipers claim about "elevated play"

 

[Denim Chicken]

Folks like to talk analytics about lot of things but don't want to apply the same thinking to QB play. It's not that a QB makes a bad throw or has a bad game but the "rate" at which they do it is what separates the tiers.
I did an analysis a few years back where I looked at Drew Brees "bad" passes per game. I excluded intentional throw aways or it wasn't clear who made the mistake (things like the receiver broke inside & the ball was thrown to the boundary). His rate of bad throws was consistently single digits, generally in the 4 - 8 % range. He had one "bad" game where he was like 12%. During that same period, Dak's best game was like 15%. He was generally in the 25% range with one game being above 30%.
Now Dak has improved since then so I'm not saying this is the case now BUT it clearly demonstrates how far he was from being elite. I mean three bad passes out of thirty is still 10%. It's a lofty target, but the best in the game do it consistently.

Lol, I love that you said this because its already a measurable statistic and Dak only has a 11.7% bad throw percentage which ranks him #3 in the league (2nd if you exclude those with less than 200 attempts).

So I guess, by your definition, he's elite.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/passing_advanced.htm

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Stop making up lies. "Before he did anything?" Seriously, what are you talking about?

You can read.

I said what I said.

He's lead this team to squat and because he has a few pretty stats you believe he's great. If he played for the Eagles, Giants, for Washington you'd think he was a bum.

 

[terra]

Lol, I love that you said this because its already a measurable statistic and Dak only has a 11.7% bad throw percentage which ranks him #3 in the league (2nd if you exclude those with less than 200 attempts).

So I guess, by your definition, he's elite.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/passing_advanced.htm

maybe the quality of QB play is down some now so being 3rd is not as good as it sounds?

Being the 3rd best of a reduced quality pool is not all that great.

And of course we are once again giving credence to PFF. Which is in so many ways complete garbage.

 

[Denim Chicken]

maybe the quality of QB play is down some now so being 3rd is not as good as it sounds?

Being the 3rd best of a reduced quality pool is not all that great.

And of course we are once again giving credence to PFF. Which is in so many ways complete garbage.

That is not a PFF stat.

 

[G2]

You can read.

I said what I said.

He's lead this team to squat and because he has a few pretty stats you believe he's great. If he played for the Eagles, Giants, for Washington you'd think he was a bum.

Wins and losses are a team statistic.
This is simple stuff.

You sure do like making up lies though.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Wins and losses are a team statistic.
This is simple stuff.

You sure do like making up lies though.

You and your buddies have been so defensive the past month.

You all were wrong about Dak. There is no reason to be THIS emotional about it. We have to just accept it for what it is and hope the team can built a legit contender around Dak.

 

[McKDaddy]

Lol, I love that you said this because its already a measurable statistic and Dak only has a 11.7% bad throw percentage which ranks him #3 in the league (2nd if you exclude those with less than 200 attempts).

So I guess, by your definition, he's elite.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/passing_advanced.htm

I said the best in the game were more like 4-8 %. Also, mine was one person reviewing both QB's so it takes out any difference between evaluators. Watching games across the NFL, I do not believe he is the 2nd or 3rd in the league in this category. Over the past month, I would be hard pressed to believe he isn't well down the list. The only thing that prevents me from saying it outright isn't true is that the QB play across the league has been inconsistent this year even among the perennial best QB's.

 

[G2]

You and your buddies have been so defensive the past month.

You all were wrong about Dak. There is no reason to be THIS emotional about it. We have to just accept it for what it is and hope the team can built a legit contender around Dak.

More lies. Is this your thing? Making up lies? It's funny you think people are emotional, lmao.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

More lies. Is this your thing? Making up lies? It's funny you think people are emotional, lmao.

You're very emotional and the reality you've seen the past few games from Dak has got you on edge. He is what he is. Accept it and hope for the best.

You got triggered by something I said, replied unprovoked, and you're still going on and on and on about it. If that's not emotional then I don't know what is.

 

[G2]

You're very emotional and the reality you've seen the past few games from Dak has got you on edge. He is what he is. Accept it and hope for the best.

You got triggered by something I said, replied unprovoked, and you're still going on and on and on about it. If that's not emotional then I don't know what is.

Just calling out a liar when I read factual lies. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Denim Chicken]

I said the best in the game were more like 4-8 %. Also, mine was one person reviewing both QB's so it takes out any difference between evaluators. Watching games across the NFL, I do not believe he is the 2nd or 3rd in the league in this category. Over the past month, I would be hard pressed to believe he isn't well down the list. The only thing that prevents me from saying it outright isn't true is that the QB play across the league has been inconsistent this year even among the perennial best QB's.

TBH, I dont think they update the Las Vegas game yet. It still shows 0.0%

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Just calling out a liar when I read factual lies. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sure ya are...

I know you're trying to cope right now, so whatever makes you feel better, sport.

 

[Rockport]

Sure ya are...

I know you're trying to cope right now, so whatever makes you feel better, sport.

What is wrong with you?

 

[G2]

Sure ya are...

I know you're trying to cope right now, so whatever makes you feel better, sport.

You can't even stay on topic because you got called out for making up lies. You have to change the subject, lmao. Zero argument.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Folks like to talk analytics about lot of things but don't want to apply the same thinking to QB play. It's not that a QB makes a bad throw or has a bad game but the "rate" at which they do it is what separates the tiers.
I did an analysis a few years back where I looked at Drew Brees "bad" passes per game. I excluded intentional throw aways or it wasn't clear who made the mistake (things like the receiver broke inside & the ball was thrown to the boundary). His rate of bad throws was consistently single digits, generally in the 4 - 8 % range. He had one "bad" game where he was like 12%. During that same period, Dak's best game was like 15%. He was generally in the 25% range with one game being above 30%.
Now Dak has improved since then so I'm not saying this is the case now BUT it clearly demonstrates how far he was from being elite. I mean three bad passes out of thirty is still 10%. It's a lofty target, but the best in the game do it consistently.

where did you get these stats? or was it eye test?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Wins and losses are a team statistic.
This is simple stuff.

You sure do like making up lies though.

no, you are wrong.

wins are a team statistic. losses are a QB stat, specially for Dak.