The 4th down throw was behind Brown

[thunderpimp91]

Here's the point for that anti-Dak cult: The guy who has led the team to 20 points in both his starts is nowhere near as good as the guy who has only FAILED to exceed 20 points in 8 of his last 40 starts.. and has topped 30 points in 24 of them. One guy gets you 20 points in 100% of his starts.. the other guy gets you 30 points in 60% of his. Sorry but that is absolutely worth the money. Remember when you idiots giddily proclaimed that Andy Dalton was going to "take the offense to the next level" when Dak went down in 2020? Because Dalton was a "real quarterback." And the offense promptly started scoring 20 points per game less.. I'm glad threads like this make your ilk mad..

P.S. Dak's cap hit is 19 million this year.. Since the cap is 210 million.... well I'll let you work out that math on your own.. It'll be good mental exercise for ya..

Ronnie you are right about a lot in this thread, but to play devils advocate here Dak has performed so poorly over the last dozen games or so that it has actually given life to the debate that a backup game manager QB is on par with Dak.

Dak is capable of doing better, he has more than shown he is capable in the past, but Dak is clearly broken right now. Not saying I'm sold on Rush either, lets give him a few more games where teams will have actual film on the guy and game plan around him. After all the Bengals adjusted pretty well after just two drives of seeing the Cowboys offense last week. I think Rush has a lot to prove before this debate is legitimate, but it's Daks play that has allowed the haters to actually make the Dak V Rush threads more than just troll posts. This time last year the debate was if Dak was a top 5 QB or not....now we are talking about if he's better than his backup.

 

[Runwildboys]

He has a real struggle saying anything good about Dak. I think back to the NE game...listen to his call on the game winning TD...killed him to say something nice.

He still holds resentment....

BS. He's sung Dak's praises many times.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

You don't have a clue about Dak ability to read defense. I'm not getting into these conversation with you. I know you can't stand the guy fine but I am sick and tired of coming here and having the same debate with you. You have your views and I have mine and this crap is getting old.

It's year 7.

Sooner or later you're going to have to see him for what he is.

Maybe it will take that star no longer being on his helmet, but you'll get there.

 

[terra]

Yup.

I just found it incredibly telling how Romo twisted and contorted to make it sound like a great throw.

He has an agenda.

no one here has more of an agenda than you do
Shilling for Jerry

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

No they were not exaggerated nor assumptions. On the last series of the third quarter he had two balls hit defenders in the hands..

This pass in the flat completely missed Pollard and the DB dove for it and almost came up with it.. If he was a receiver he probably makes the catch:



Then later in the drive this one hits the defender in the gut.. Frankly he had no excuse for dropping it..



Then this one goes right through the defender's hands .. again an offensive player catches this:




Not disparaging.. Not exaggerating. Simply stating facts.. Three balls that hit defenders' hands. Which frankly I think was what led to some of the really conservative play calling for a stretch there. They could sense that Rush was off and just tried to survive..

This dude is doing Zapruder Film type of research to try and discredit Rush

 

[kskboys]

Dak Prescott = Ryan Fitzpatrick. Same QB.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

I just want Dak, the rest of the team and the coaches to just win a big game. Just once!

When was the last time they won a big game? When was the last time they won against a top 5 defense?

The entire team doesn’t show up when it’s tough! They score a lot of points against bad teams. It’s just maddening.

 

[TwoDeep3]

What was arguably the biggest play in the game was really a late throw across the middle that Noah reached back and snatched out of the air.. Then the TD was high and outside and Brown had to climb the ladder a bit to go get it. Yet people have been downright giddy about how Rush "hit receivers in stride" and all that thinly veiled shots at Dak noise. If Dak makes that same throw to Brown all we would have heard was how if he woulda led him he would have had a chance to run after the catch. In reality throwing it behind was absolute the right ball placement because if he leads him Noah probably gets blown up by the safety and maybe even gets the ball dislodged and Cincy has the ball at our 40 yard line. It's probably a very different ballgame then.

The point of this is that you people talkin bout how well Rush threw the ball must have been getting a beer on the 5-6 near INTs he tossed. And why do I mention near INTs? Because people were beside themselves when Dak had a similar total of near misses in a game last season. And if I'm not mistaken we won that game too. This is not to disparage the game Rush had.. He had a nice game as a backup. He managed the game and didn't LOSE it. And made 5-6 throws when he absolutely had to in order to win it. I call that "Eli Manninging." I hope he does it 4-5 more times..

Ronnie, I agree with you. But even Brady and Rodgers throw behind the receivers at times. Sometimes on purpose. Sometimes not. The crowd you are speaking to will not acknowledge the fact passing is sometimes laser accurate and sometimes just in the vicinity.

I suspect if Dak were making the vet minimum, this board would still be wanting a better QB, but would be more tolerant of Dak's play.

 

[offlimits]

Well you can start with the fact that he can make MORE of those throws more consistently and he operates the offense at a much higher level. Cooper Rush has two starts and the offense has scored 20 points in both of them. Dak has had the offense averaging over 30 ppg over his last 20+ starts. I'm no football genius but I think you win more games averaging 30 than you do averaging 20. But maybe I'm wrong. But remember that two year stretch when the Cowboys didn't win a single game in which they failed to score 30 points? How many of those would they have won scoring 20?

I know it's tough math but you can do it.. I got faith in ya.

You can't judge these QB's on the same curve when based on experience and wages. It's not apples to apples.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Ehhhh, he had better be better than he was Week 1 to be considered a Top 10 QB.

I am beginning to worry we may have seen the best of Dak.

1 game doesnt define a player. I agree when he comes back he needs to be way better than week 1

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I just want Dak, the rest of the team and the coaches to just win a big game. Just once!

When was the last time they won a big game? When was the last time they won against a top 5 defense?

The entire team doesn’t show up when it’s tough! They score a lot of points against bad teams. It’s just maddening.

Just win, baby.

Stats are cute, but wins are what matters.

 

[RS12]

I just want Dak, the rest of the team and the coaches to just win a big game. Just once!

When was the last time they won a big game? When was the last time they won against a top 5 defense?

The entire team doesn’t show up when it’s tough! They score a lot of points against bad teams. It’s just maddening.

Hello! This! Stats don't win games but they can sure tell you how you lost.

 

[RonnieT24]

Ronnie you are right about a lot in this thread, but to play devils advocate here Dak has performed so poorly over the last dozen games or so that it has actually given life to the debate that a backup game manager QB is on par with Dak.

Dak is capable of doing better, he has more than shown he is capable in the past, but Dak is clearly broken right now. Not saying I'm sold on Rush either, lets give him a few more games where teams will have actual film on the guy and game plan around him. After all the Bengals adjusted pretty well after just two drives of seeing the Cowboys offense last week. I think Rush has a lot to prove before this debate is legitimate, but it's Daks play that has allowed the haters to actually make the Dak V Rush threads more than just troll posts. This time last year the debate was if Dak was a top 5 QB or not....now we are talking about if he's better than his backup.

People talk about what makes them happy.. That doesn't give it any legitimacy. They did the same thing with Andy Dalton and this summer there was even one idiot proclaiming that Will Grier was going to take Dak's job at some point. People are stoopid.. Nothing you can do about it. The weird thing is that Dak has NOT performed that poorly over the last dozen games.. It's just that he hasn't returned to the other-wordly level he was at prior to the calf injury. In the last 12 games he has 21 TD and 7 INTs. The offense has scored at least 21 points in all but 2 of the games and has hit 50+ twice. All of us actual Cowboys fans want pre-injury Dak back.. and actual Cowboys fans are going to be disappointed if he can't regain that form. Nothing is etched in stone either way. I think what happened against Tampa was simply that Todd Bowles was better than Kellen Moore that day.. Nothing more, nothing less. We'll see when Dak gets back if he can bet back on the horse. If he can't he's going to have to get replaced. Happens to all players sooner or later. I just don't think it's time for it to happen to Dak yet. Time will tell.

 

[Doomsday101]

It's year 7.

Sooner or later you're going to have to see him for what he is.

Maybe it will take that star no longer being on his helmet, but you'll get there.

Don't worry about me. I believe in Dak just as I believed in Romo. How you feel make no difference to me. In the end it is a team game and requires a team to step up and get the job done.

 

[shabazz]

Saddest display of having to knock down a 3rd string QB to prop up his boy riding the pine.

A low point for the OP

 

[jterrell]

What was arguably the biggest play in the game was really a late throw across the middle that Noah reached back and snatched out of the air.. Then the TD was high and outside and Brown had to climb the ladder a bit to go get it. Yet people have been downright giddy about how Rush "hit receivers in stride" and all that thinly veiled shots at Dak noise. If Dak makes that same throw to Brown all we would have heard was how if he woulda led him he would have had a chance to run after the catch. In reality throwing it behind was absolute the right ball placement because if he leads him Noah probably gets blown up by the safety and maybe even gets the ball dislodged and Cincy has the ball at our 40 yard line. It's probably a very different ballgame then.

The point of this is that you people talkin bout how well Rush threw the ball must have been getting a beer on the 5-6 near INTs he tossed. And why do I mention near INTs? Because people were beside themselves when Dak had a similar total of near misses in a game last season. And if I'm not mistaken we won that game too. This is not to disparage the game Rush had.. He had a nice game as a backup. He managed the game and didn't LOSE it. And made 5-6 throws when he absolutely had to in order to win it. I call that "Eli Manninging." I hope he does it 4-5 more times..

This was obvious on a ton of throws and it also happens to every QB.
NFL WRs are supposed to make those kinds of plays.

Only insane people, Romo stans and trolls expect every throw to be perfect.
That is an insane standard.

Rush played within himself and played pretty well but he is a backup NFL for obvious reasons.
Dallas does not want him playing for any long stretches but with this defense he can keep this team afloat for a month.

 

[RonnieT24]

This was obvious on a ton of throws and it also happens to every QB.
NFL WRs are supposed to make those kinds of plays.

Only insane people, Romo stans and trolls expect every throw to be perfect.
That is an insane standard.

Rush played within himself and played pretty well but he is a backup NFL for obvious reasons.
Dallas does not want him playing for any long stretches but with this defense he can keep this team afloat for a month.

The interesting thing is that I initially thought throwing behind was the right throw but watching today I saw that the safety was really deep over the top and that leading Brown actually WOULD have been a better play. And I guarantee that if Dak made that same read and throw people would be falling over themselves pointing out all the open space out in front of Brown if Dak had led him. Which again.. is my whole point..

 

[RonnieT24]

You can't judge these QB's on the same curve when based on experience and wages. It's not apples to apples.

Sorry but yes.. I actually can.. and will. but thank you for your input.

 

[shabazz]

Dak Prescott = Ryan Fitzpatrick. Same QB.

Minus Fitzpatricks IQ and football acumen.

Fitz is light years ahead between the ears

 

[jterrell]

The interesting thing is that I initially thought throwing behind was the right throw but watching today I saw that the safety was really deep over the top and that leading Brown actually WOULD have been a better play. And I guarantee that if Dak made that same read and throw people would be falling over themselves pointing out all the open space out in front of Brown if Dak had led him. Which again.. is my whole point..

No doubt,. If you want to hate a QB, there will be 5-10 plays a game you can focus on to do so.
I place those types of people on ignore and move on.
They aren't to be taken seriously.
It had made my experience here much more enjoyable.

I empty the ignore list like once a year and generally within 2 weeks the same people are back on there.
The good news one of the dolts will create a goofy thread titled "Dak sucked" or whatever and you can just get all his alts and friends from the likes to the first post. One stop forum clean up shopping.