It’s fascinating how hard the Eagles try and hide Hurts’ deficiencies

[Sydla]

And you can continue to put most blame on the defense because they didn’t hold a good offense scoreless in the second half. It’s still not realistic.

Nowhere can you find a post from me putting most of the blame on the defense. Rush and his three interceptions were the biggest issue. Dumb penalties, like Fowler's offsides were also a big factor. Some questionable coaching decisions also hurt. But the run defense has always been a concern. And last night, when the game was on the line and Philly dared us to stop their run, we couldn't. They ate up clock, went right down the field, and iced the game.

A great, elite defense that some think he have, don't let teams just jam it down their throats at the end of a game when you know what's basically coming.

 

[ghst187]

When they were trying to make him a pocket passer he was always confused so they made it super simple. Eventually teams figure it out though or your qb gets a major injury

 

[nate dizzle]

It's fascinating how easily they are hiding them.

 

[xwalker]

Now don’t get me wrong they are pretty good at it thus far, but the amount of smoke and mirrors and lengths they go to to avoid putting him in anything remotely resembling an obvious drop back passing situation is crazy. Even Baltimore didn’t do it to this degree with Lamar in his first full year.

He had 34 drop backs tonight and only on NINE did he not have a designed RPO, roll out or a single read quick hitter. On two of those he was sacked and on three more he scrambled. He threw the ball FOUR TIMES on traditional drop backs and had two completions.

I’ve never seen anything like it. It looks like a college offense. This is not sustainable.

The Cowboys have seen it now. Division opponents adjust to tweaked up offenses.

 

[Cowboys1966]

Now don’t get me wrong they are pretty good at it thus far, but the amount of smoke and mirrors and lengths they go to to avoid putting him in anything remotely resembling an obvious drop back passing situation is crazy. Even Baltimore didn’t do it to this degree with Lamar in his first full year.

He had 34 drop backs tonight and only on NINE did he not have a designed RPO, roll out or a single read quick hitter. On two of those he was sacked and on three more he scrambled. He threw the ball FOUR TIMES on traditional drop backs and had two completions.

I’ve never seen anything like it. It looks like a college offense. This is not sustainable.

Yea. They should scrap that bull**** offence and get a real one like we have LOL

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Nowhere can you find a post from me putting most of the blame on the defense. Rush and his three interceptions were the biggest issue. Dumb penalties, like Fowler's offsides were also a big factor. Some questionable coaching decisions also hurt. But the run defense has always been a concern. And last night, when the game was on the line and Philly dared us to stop their run, we couldn't. They ate up clock, went right down the field, and iced the game.

A great, elite defense that some think he have, don't let teams just jam it down their throats at the end of a game when you know what's basically coming.

Great defenses are determined in the aggregate, not by single drive in multi score deficits.

 

[Sydla]

Great defenses are determined in the aggregate, not by single drive in multi score deficits.

If you want to tell yourself that, have at it. But in a game against a divisional rival for first place when you know they are running to eat clock and you can't stop it? That's not a very good run D. This has been a problem for a few years so don't be surprised if it burn us again this season.

 

[khiladi]

Now don’t get me wrong they are pretty good at it thus far, but the amount of smoke and mirrors and lengths they go to to avoid putting him in anything remotely resembling an obvious drop back passing situation is crazy. Even Baltimore didn’t do it to this degree with Lamar in his first full year.

He had 34 drop backs tonight and only on NINE did he not have a designed RPO, roll out or a single read quick hitter. On two of those he was sacked and on three more he scrambled. He threw the ball FOUR TIMES on traditional drop backs and had two completions.

I’ve never seen anything like it. It looks like a college offense. This is not sustainable.

It’s like what Dallas does with Dak, whose basically averages about 1-2 traditional drop-backs from under center per game his whole career. When Dak runs ‘drop backs”, it’s basically 1-2 steps out of shotgun.

But of course you are one of Dak’s biggest fans, almost up there with Tad.

Yeah, Hurts sucks and is worse than Dak. It would be a beautiful day if Philly signs him to a long-term contract like Dallas did with Dak, but in the latter case it was a dark and gloomy day.

 

[khiladi]

Give it another 4-6 games. The NFL defenses will figure it out and Hurts will look like the average QB he really is

He’s not just average, he’s terrible.

 

[Deionindahood]

I was literally telling an eagles fan this earlier today. This offense is not sustainable and the OP is absolutely spot on. They do everything in their power to hide Hurts. Eventually hurts is going to have to win games on his own. He won’t be able to do it.

I think the same point can be made with Dak and the post season.

 

[khiladi]

The reality is all the defensive scheming means nothing, when the defense gets exhausted as the OL and RG continue to pound away and the offense protects the football. Defenders get tired and they simply start giving up, which is why Philly ended the game on close to an 8 minute drive after Dallas brought it within 3 with over 14 minutes to go.

Emmitt wasn’t fast, but he use to have all his breakout runs in the 4th after imposing his will over the course of a game systematically.

They basically did what Linehan was doing with Dak, when we had a much better OL and RG.

 

[blueblood70]

It should be easy to stop if its a college offense

Not really
I agree its not as impressive as it looks but its unique and hard to defend the way they call it, take a d time to adjust in game speed. you see they struggle in all 2nd half's this year teams do adjust once they get feel for it and had not rush threw 3 INts but the last one in particular, we likely win that game and were shutting them out in the 2nd half before that dagger pick..

 

[EversonIWasAYoungBoy]

Is it hiding his deficiencies or playing to his strengths?

Not sure what’s so fascinating about putting your players in the best position to succeed.

 

[blueblood70]

It’s like the wildcat. Someone will tune in soon enough

 

[The Natural]

Not really
I agree its not as impressive as it looks but its unique and hard to defend the way they call it, take a d time to adjust in game speed. you see they struggle in all 2nd half's this year teams do adjust once they get feel for it and had not rush threw 3 INts but the last one in particular, we likely win that game and were shutting them out in the 2nd half before that dagger pick..

What I dont get is its the same offense they've been running all year, there's 5 games worth of film didn't we have a plan coming in to stop it?

 

[EversonIWasAYoungBoy]

What I dont get is its the same offense they've been running all year, there's 5 games worth of film didn't we have a plan coming in to stop it?

They started this halfway through last season.

 

[Ranched]

 

[MyFairLady]

Personally I feel like their offense is pretty solid and repeatable. It reminds me a bit of what we used to do to people in 2016. 2016 Dak and 2016 Zeke was better than Hurts and Sanders but the end result is similar. Hurts is willing and able to run for the first down when it is needed and it is going to be very hard to stop. The problem with their offense is that the QB will eventually get broken.

 

[blueblood70]

What I dont get is its the same offense they've been running all year, there's 5 games worth of film didn't we have a plan coming in to stop it?

cant simulate that type of game speed with those players. weve seen it before , its not just the offense its the players running it and coaches calling it.

even RG3, Tebow, games with Wildcat qbs like the NO hybrid qb THill and another Niche offenses had short term success until defenses caught up to it.
this reminds me of the Texas Vince young offense in its heyday, only difference is NFL defenses can make adjustments and do most of the games. like i said first half is eagles best half, the defense make adjustments slow it down we see them win over late mistakes by others team offense not defense.

Of the top of my head how many games will have qb have 4 sacks and 4 fumbles? dumb luck , we gave them that late quiet they saw a BU qb who choked late, i mean they got 9 sacks most early in the Washington game and only scored 24 points?

this is similar to the Cooper rush 4 wins, its more great game plans, run game, defense, sts, and timely luck in game situations that won't always be there..

they are good but not 6-0 good a lot of luck and timely gifts, kudos to them, still i stand by my assessment and agree with the OP.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

He had 34 drop backs tonight and only on NINE did he not have a designed RPO, roll out or a single read quick hitter. On two of those he was sacked and on three more he scrambled. He threw the ball FOUR TIMES on traditional drop backs and had two completions.

I hate to say it but this is just smart coaching. They are simply playing to his strength. I mean why try and make him something he's not...... a traditional drop-back passer. Hell, I've been saying the league will catch up with Lamar Jackson's style of play since his rookie season and guess what, I'm still waiting. The funny thing is it's too late coz his accuracy has now caught up with the rest of his game.