After further review a week later, Refs stole game from Cowboys vs Packers once again

[Blackrain]

You don't think it also goes the other way where fans are so invested and identify so much with the Cowboys that any loss of theirs makes them a loser by extension, which causes them to create stories about how the Cowboys didn't "really" lose but some evil boogeyman was responsible instead to help soothe the psyche because that's a reality they can't accept?

I think there could be fans like that Yes that are just so heavily invested in the Cowboys that they think the world is out to get them Yes that's definitely a possibility.

I might not have made myself clear enough but I don't think it's just the Cowboys I'm a believer that primetime games involving any teams are manipulated to keep them close and keep the viewing audience tuned in.

It just so happens that Jerry has managed to get the Cowboys on so many primetime games that we become involved quite a bit of the time.
But I don't believe that this is strictly a vendetta against the Cowboys.

I believe it is a marketing tool used for whatever teams are playing in primetime to keep the viewing audience

 

[Blackrain]

More BS. Enjoy your Fake Football fantasy. Lol

No my obsessed overly invested Cowboy friend.

You enjoy whatever validates your obsessive existence.
And if that is believing the league is 100% pure because you've invested so much time that you can't view it any other way that's fine.
Trust me if I had five TVs and watch 25 games a weekend every weekend and was basically the NFL version of Jack Nicholson in the The shining I would want it to be all perfume and roses too.
Lol.
Hey seriously you may be able to get some counseling for that obsession there could be a support group somewhere.

For goodness sake keep posting until you think you have converted everybody on the forum to your way of thinking.

Lolol

 

[Diehardblues]

No my obsessed overly invested Cowboy friend.

You enjoy whatever validates your obsessive existence.
And if that is believing the league is 100% pure because you've invested so much time that you can't view it any other way that's fine.
Trust me if I had five TVs and watch 25 games a weekend every weekend and was basically the NFL version of Jack Nicholson in the The shining I would want it to be all perfume and roses too.
Lol.
Hey seriously you may be able to get some counseling for that obsession there could be a support group somewhere.

For goodness sake keep posting until you think you have converted everybody on the forum to your way of thinking.

Lolol

Trolls are all the same .Every sound argument has been totally dismissed so all they have now is to attack me personally trying to use what I’ve divulged of myself against me. Classless fans .

If you truly believe it’s Fake Football then you’re the idiot for still following and investing in it. Lol

 

[MarcusRock]

I think there could be fans like that Yes that are just so heavily invested in the Cowboys that they think the world is out to get them Yes that's definitely a possibility.

I might not have made myself clear enough but I don't think it's just the Cowboys I'm a believer that primetime games involving any teams are manipulated to keep them close and keep the viewing audience tuned in.

It just so happens that Jerry has managed to get the Cowboys on so many primetime games that we become involved quite a bit of the time.
But I don't believe that this is strictly a vendetta against the Cowboys.

I believe it is a marketing tool used for whatever teams are playing in primetime to keep the viewing audience

Well, I admit there could be incentive to keep games close. But I've told you before that to rely on a bunch of refs and to wait for certain circumstances to play out leaves far too much to chance. If this were truly the case, there'd be plenty more terrible calls because refs would be trying to force results and replays and media would be all over it as they already are. In my conspiracy, you only need 2 people to participate. Both QBs handle the ball almost every snap and can gain you or lose you momentum depending on which way you need the game to go. You pay them off and you have all you need for every game. Brady can console his loss of Gisele with more under the table millions.

 

[Diehardblues]

Well, I admit there could be incentive to keep games close. But I've told you before that to rely on a bunch of refs and to wait for certain circumstances to play out leaves far too much to chance. If this were truly the case, there'd be plenty more terrible calls because refs would be trying to force results and replays and media would be all over it as they already are. In my conspiracy, you only need 2 people to participate. Both QBs handle the ball almost every snap and can gain you or lose you momentum depending on which way you need the game to go. You pay them off and you have all you need for every game. Brady can console his loss of Gisele with more under the table millions.

It would be much more likely that a player could be paid off like a QB than several officials .

And professional sports have always addressed these issues. Like Art Shlueter the QB who was banned for his gambling connections. Pete Rose another. All of the Steroid home run hitters still shunned from the HOF inductions and their records not recognized.

Because the integrity of the results is of the utmost priority despite whatever issues we have with professional sports .

Do we really believe Vegas would place billions of money on the line with sports books for Fake Football.

And the NFL especially have proven it makes no difference who wins as the popularity and revenue continue growing.

If it was ever discovered the league was intentionally manipulating results it would destroy their credibility. Why would they risk a multi billion dollar industry. These Conspiracy Idiots haven’t thought this thru.

 

[Blackrain]

Trolls are all the same .Every sound argument has been totally dismissed so all they have now is to attack me personally trying to use what I’ve divulged of myself against me. Classless fans .

If you truly believe it’s Fake Football then you’re the idiot for still following and investing in it. Lol

I don't believe the football is fake I believe players play the game to win and officials manipulate The game at times to be competitive for profit.

And you continue to make my point You just said that my arguments are Sound!!!
Only the obsessive and overly invested like yourself dismiss them because in their world it just can't be true.

I'm not attacking you personally. I'm telling you somebody that is as obsessed and overly invested as yourself can in no way debate this topic fairly.

There's no trolling involved The behavior you have described in locking yourself in a man cave for an entire weekend watching 25 games on five different televisions and using your laptop and tablet to watch more games is not normal behavior.

I don't see anybody else saying they do anything close to that. That is some very strange reclusive behavior. Worse yet You're proud of it and obviously think it's normal or you wouldn't have shared it.

 

[Amarillofan82]

I just wanted to comment on the "Great Cowboyszone post of conspiracy" from 2022." The way this post is going, we can make it to 2023.

 

[Blackrain]

Well, I admit there could be incentive to keep games close. But I've told you before that to rely on a bunch of refs and to wait for certain circumstances to play out leaves far too much to chance. If this were truly the case, there'd be plenty more terrible calls because refs would be trying to force results and replays and media would be all over it as they already are. In my conspiracy, you only need 2 people to participate. Both QBs handle the ball almost every snap and can gain you or lose you momentum depending on which way you need the game to go. You pay them off and you have all you need for every game. Brady can console his loss of Gisele with more under the table millions.

That is certainly a possibility in one way of doing it but I don't believe the players have anything to do with it.

My opinion is the players play hard and play to win.

I believe the league has people who monitor the viewing audience very carefully and when games start to lose the viewing audience because of a lopsided score they use the officials to get things back under control and stop from losing the viewing audience.
I believe it's just part of the officials job to keep things entertaining and competitive when directed to do so by the league.

 

[Blackrain]

I just wanted to comment on the "Great Cowboyszone post of conspiracy" from 2022." The way this post is going, we can make it to 2023.

I think there's a good chance and Greg is going to take us there because this involves his whole life's work. Lol

 

[Blackrain]

It would be much more likely that a player could be paid off like a QB than several officials .

And professional sports have always addressed these issues. Like Art Shlueter the QB who was banned for his gambling connections. Pete Rose another. All of the Steroid home run hitters still shunned from the HOF inductions and their records not recognized.

Because the integrity of the results is of the utmost priority despite whatever issues we have with professional sports .

Do we really believe Vegas would place billions of money on the line with sports books for Fake Football.

And the NFL especially have proven it makes no difference who wins as the popularity and revenue continue growing.

If it was ever discovered the league was intentionally manipulating results it would destroy their credibility. Why would they risk a multi billion dollar industry. These Conspiracy Idiots haven’t thought this thru.

Profit is the utmost priority

Vegas would be on board with anything that would make them more profit.

Correct it makes no difference who wins as long as the games are competitive.

The obsessed and overly invested are unable to process what greed makes people do.

 

[Jake]

I think there could be fans like that Yes that are just so heavily invested in the Cowboys that they think the world is out to get them Yes that's definitely a possibility.

I might not have made myself clear enough but I don't think it's just the Cowboys I'm a believer that primetime games involving any teams are manipulated to keep them close and keep the viewing audience tuned in.

It just so happens that Jerry has managed to get the Cowboys on so many primetime games that we become involved quite a bit of the time.
But I don't believe that this is strictly a vendetta against the Cowboys.

I believe it is a marketing tool used for whatever teams are playing in primetime to keep the viewing audience

Still invested, deputy dog.

Provide something more than a gif of a missed call or be relegated to tin foil hat world.

 

[Beast_from_East]

There's no conspiracy The owners know what's going on.
They're on board with the league using the referees to manipulate games so the score stay close and viewer stay tuned in and they make maximum revenue in the short window of a 17 game season.

When games are not competitive and viewers shut them off sponsors don't get the benefit of the viewers watching their product.

It appears prejudicial towards us quite a bit because we are on so many prime time games.

The primetime games with maximum viewers are the ones that need to be manipulated the most to keep the viewing audience.

Not really sure why this is so difficult for some to understand.

You say the refs are told by the owners to keep the games close so viewers will not turn the game off, but the Packer game was in OT, the score was tied at the end of regulation. There was no need for the refs to do anything to keep viewership but the refs screwed us anyways in OT just for the hell of it?

So which is it? Do the refs manipulate calls to keep the game close to keep viewers interested or are the refs out to screw the Cowboys? Because these are two completely different things because a lot of these so called "phantom penalties" against Dallas happen when the score is relatively close, meaning there is no need for the refs to intervein to keep viewership.

 

[Blackrain]

Still invested, deputy dog.

Provide something more than a gif of a missed call or be relegated to tin foil hat world.

Get a clue there Inspector Gadget even you should know that just a simple holding call can stop a drive and get a game that's running off the rails back under control before halftime.

Hey maybe if you insult me enough Greg will invite you to his man cave and you two can have a sleepover and watch all his televisions maybe he'll even let you try on some of his cowboy memorabilia. LoL

 

[Blackrain]

You say the refs are told by the owners to keep the games close so viewers will not turn the game off, but the Packer game was in OT, the score was tied at the end of regulation. There was no need for the refs to do anything to keep viewership but the refs screwed us anyways in OT just for the hell of it?

So which is it? Do the refs manipulate calls to keep the game close to keep viewers interested or are the refs out to screw the Cowboys? Because these are two completely different things because a lot of these so called "phantom penalties" against Dallas happen when the score is relatively close, meaning there is no need for the refs to intervein to keep viewership.

Sometimes both because we happen to be in a lot of primetime games.
The refs aren't told directly by the owners in my opinion they are directed by the league but the owners have given the league permission to do what's necessary to maximize viewing audience and profit

 

[Blackrain]

Wow do you think you guys might be able to go back about 20 pages and read what I've written probably 10 or 15 times by now so I don't have to keep going over it.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Sometimes both because we happen to be in a lot of primetime games.
The refs aren't told directly by the owners in my opinion they are directed by the league but the owners have given the league permission to do what's necessary to maximize viewing audience and profit

I dont know, I am having a hard time buying this. If this was true, there would be no blowouts because the refs would keep the games close. But this is not what you see, every weekend there are games where one team wins by double digits. We were up 30-0 on the Vikes, if what you are saying is true then that should never have been allowed to happen.

I think the crowd that believes "Goddel screws us over with bad calls because Jerry tried to get him fired" is more plausible, even though I find that hard to believe as well. But I could be wrong, who knows.

 

[Blackrain]

I dont know, I am having a hard time buying this. If this was true, there would be no blowouts because the refs would keep the games close. But this is not what you see, every weekend there are games where one team wins by double digits. We were up 30-0 on the Vikes, if what you are saying is true then that should never have been allowed to happen.

I think the crowd that believes "Goddel screws us over with bad calls because Jerry tried to get him fired" is more plausible, even though I find that hard to believe as well. But I could be wrong, who knows.

Look at what happened right before halftime in the Vikings game That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Hang on a second I'm strapping my tin foil hat on real tight okay I'm good

I believe there was some bean counter monitoring the viewing audience and as we were beating the Vikings it came down that they did not want us to make a field goal right before halftime that if we made a 60-yard field goal they were going to lose a lot of viewing audience.

What other possible reason could there be for not being able to review CDs catch after it happened during the time out we took before the field goal or before we took the field to kick the field goal.

No they waited till our kicker kicked a 60-yard field goal then told us they were going to review the catch figuring there was no way he could kick another 60 yd field goal but he did it and that game ran off the rails on them and there was nothing they could do to get it under control that wouldn't have appeared crazily obvious.

That was bad what were they going to do next come out and hit our kicker with a chair That was an absolute terrible display of officiating

 

[MarcusRock]

Look at what happened right before halftime in the Vikings game That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Hang on a second I'm strapping my tin foil hat on real tight okay I'm good

I believe there was some bean counter monitoring the viewing audience and as we were beating the Vikings it came down that they did not want us to make a field goal right before halftime that if we made a 60-yard field goal they were going to lose a lot of viewing audience.

What other possible reason could there be for not being able to review CDs catch after it happened during the time out we took before the field goal or before we took the field to kick the field goal.

No they waited till our kicker kicked a 60-yard field goal then told us they were going to review the catch figuring there was no way he could kick another 60 yd field goal but he did it and that game ran off the rails on them and there was nothing they could do to get it under control that wouldn't have appeared crazily obvious.

That was bad what were they going to do next come out and hit our kicker with a chair That was an absolute terrible display of officiating

Wouldn't simpler ways to derail us have been to simply call Lamb's catch no good (there was an angle that fooled me into thinking it was no good - why not only show that angle on replay to justify?) or call a false start on the FG to move us back or call a holding on Lamb's catch to start with? This is where y'all lose me because you zero in on an "it can only be this" possibility when there are numerous easier paths to explain something or get you to a same spot. And if you say they have to wait to have borderline calls to come up so they can decide to call or not call them, then again they are having to wait for circumstance to affect the outcome and that leaves way more to chance than just telling Dak to throw an INT or fumble. Maher still made the field goal so these "plans" can still be overcome. If there really are "plans" to secure money, you make them airtight and the way you describe it is not.

 

[Blackrain]

Wouldn't simpler ways to derail us have been to simply call Lamb's catch no good (there was an angle that fooled me into thinking it was no good - why not only show that angle on replay to justify?) or call a false start on the FG to move us back or call a holding on Lamb's catch to start with? This is where y'all lose me because you zero in on an "it can only be this" possibility when there are numerous easier paths to explain something or get you to a same spot. And if you say they have to wait to have borderline calls to come up so they can decide to call or not call them, then again they are having to wait for circumstance to affect the outcome and that leaves way more to chance than just telling Dak to throw an INT or fumble. Maher still made the field goal so these "plans" can still be overcome. If there really are "plans" to secure money, you make them airtight and the way you describe it is not.

I think there are certain times when a team plays so good like we did against the Vikings that it makes it very difficult for them to do what they need to do to keep the games competitive.
I think most times it's a little easier I really love that game because we were playing so mistake free and at the top of our game in all three areas that they really had to make it look obvious to try and keep us from getting that three points.
I'm thinking there were already a lot shown and it would be tough to reverse CDs catch when there was so much evidence that he was in.

I honestly think they were really scrambling on that play.

I don't think that the whole thing is airtight by any stretch of the imagination .
To do that it would truly look like All Star wrestling.

All of it purely my opinion not trying to change anybody's mind
I appreciate having a civil discussion with you over it.

 

[Diehardblues]

Profit is the utmost priority

Vegas would be on board with anything that would make them more profit.

Correct it makes no difference who wins as long as the games are competitive.

The obsessed and overly invested are unable to process what greed makes people do.

Greed is what drives the worlds business . I can only guess you’ve been on the short stick of it to be so leery with paranoia . The integrity of the results is what drives the profits. Without it football would be fake . Not partially but totally fake.

What you’re proposing would be the greatest cover up not only in sports over decades but perhaps in American history. Willing to risk billions with continued profits for what. And you actually believe that what you are accusing them of is enhancing their profits. Obviously someone who’s never been in business or the aptitude to do so.

The fact you believe the results are manipulated by corrupt officiating by the league is the most paranoid analysis with no other basis . And you’re left with the only defensible argument using personal info I’ve provided attempting to discredit me personally because I’m too invested in the product. More trolling type behavior.

While on the other hand you don’t believe the results it to be legit but still a fan and invested in arguing about it. And in a previous post even admitted here to spur me inciting response for your own entertainment.

Now if your disbelief in the final results led you to abort the product then that would be a more worthy stance but Conspiracy Theorist like yourself continue to follow the league rooting on your team despite your belief. It would be like not having faith and still going to church. Very hypocritical .

And why it’s become blatantly obvious it’s nothing more than trolling. I suppose next you’ll bash me and family for 4 decades of season tickets and our obsessions for attending and participating in a Fake product. This is all you have left to bash. You must be proud.