RELEASED Cowboys release James Washington

rambo2

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Not talking about 7th rounders. Just players before him. As a 7th round pick. Theee are plenty. You refuse to acknowledge any mistakes this team has made lol. Ever. It’s insane. Noah brown was an excellent pick ? Lol Jesus
A 7th rounder that you get 6 years of production out of is an excellent pick.
 

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Exactly. The Washington move was supposed to soften the blow. He and Gallup were expected to replace the production of either Lamb or Cooper and fell terribly short. Instead we ended up with Noah Brown, etc, playing major roles, leading to an inconsistent passing game. Dak's interceptions are a direct result of releasing Cooper and not having adequate talent to replace the void that move left.

People defending their moves here conveniently want to forget they were also the ones back in August saying people were overreacting about the WRs and Gallup would be back in a couple of weeks, Washington would be back mid season, Tolbert would fill the void, etc.

Smart fans knew where this was going. And eventually Jerry realized it as well and hit the FA market looking at OBJ and Hilton.
 

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A 7th rounder that you get 6 years of production out of is an excellent pick.

On this, I would agree.

I mean if you want to argue over what "excellent" really means have at it, but they turned a late round pick into a special teams ace and a guy who was able to step in and help a little at WR, especially when you were struggling at WR early................ I don't know how anyone can say that wasn't a big win. Most late round picks just fizzle away. Getting what you got out of Brown was great.

Yeah, he didn't turn into Antonio Brown or other late round picks taht turned into great players. But you got a productive player with your latest round pick. That's a total win.
 

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People defending their moves here conveniently want to forget they were also the ones back in August saying people were overreacting about the WRs and Gallup would be back in a couple of weeks, Washington would be back mid season, Tolbert would fill the void, etc.

Smart fans knew where this was going. And eventually Jerry realized it as well and hit the FA market looking at OBJ and Hilton.
They were targeting Hilton early on. He was always a target for them.
 

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On this, I would agree.

I mean if you want to argue over what "excellent" really means have at it, but they turned a late round pick into a special teams ace and a guy who was able to step in and help a little at WR, especially when you were struggling at WR early................ I don't know how anyone can say that wasn't a big win. Most late round picks just fizzle away. Getting what you got out of Brown was great.

Yeah, he didn't turn into Antonio Brown or other late round picks taht turned into great players. But you got a productive player with your latest round pick. That's a total win.
Exactly
 

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They were targeting Hilton early on. He was always a target for them.

LOL. There are no limits to your rationalizations and justifications, are there? You really are a bigger homer than Rocky.
 

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Agree. How rare it is to pick up a game-changing player this late in the year. TY Hilton. I know most here hate on the Jones family but this was a great signing.
 

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The doom and gloom on this thread is nuts lol. We are about to be 13-4 and the highest scoring offense in the league, do we really need to be this upset?

I saw a poster say we could’ve been 16-1 with Cooper. LOL. Scored 28 and 34 in our losses outside of week 1, I think it’s safe to say the offense hasn’t been lacking. We got people saying this is as big of a miss as Joey Galloway/Roy Williams oh my god guys this is hilarious!

Would I have liked to see a TY type guy from week 1? Sure, but is the James Washington miss and death knell? No way.

This team has no issue moving the ball. We need our defense to get back to what they were, Dak to limit his picks, and the coaching staff to not make critical errors.

Plus, with Coop here we don’t get to see Lamb have the best WR season since Michael Irvin. A 20 page thread lamenting an off-season when the team is about to win 13 games is nuts.
 

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The doom and gloom on this thread is nuts lol. We are about to be 13-4 and the highest scoring offense in the league, do we really need to be this upset?

I saw a poster say we could’ve been 16-1 with Cooper. LOL. Scored 28 and 34 in our losses outside of week 1, I think it’s safe to say the offense hasn’t been lacking. We got people saying this is as big of a miss as Joey Galloway/Roy Williams oh my god guys this is hilarious!

Would I have liked to see a TY type guy from week 1? Sure, but is the James Washington miss and death knell? No way.

This team has no issue moving the ball. We need our defense to get back to what they were, Dak to limit his picks, and the coaching staff to not make critical errors.

Plus, with Coop here we don’t get to see Lamb have the best WR season since Michael Irvin. A 20 page thread lamenting an off-season when the team is about to win 13 games is nuts.
The offense is putting the defense in tough positions with the turnovers and drops. Shorter field positions for other teams means more points scored against them. It's no coincidence that the defense has allowed more points since Dak came back, but that's neither here nor there. Nobody is saying Washington is a huge bust. It's the fact that Washington, Gallup, and a small school rookie were expected to pick up the slack after Cooper left that's a huge miss. If you disagree, why is it that Dak leads the NFL in interceptions while having missed 5 games? This is an issue that could've been avoided. I hope Hilton makes all the difference in the playoffs. Whether it actually happens is yet to be seen.
 

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I didn't necessarily have a problem with giving Washington a try. But I did have a problem with trading away one of our top receivers and replacing him with one who had not proven he was worthy of being more than a fourth or fifth receiver. Brown, Washington, Fehoko and a third-round pick was not a solid plan for replacing Cooper and Wilson.
 

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Are we better or worse without Coop? And if we had him, do we beat GB or Jax? Are Dak’s INTs partly a result of a lack of chemistry between him and his WR corps? Lots o lf sloppy routes bobbled balls etc…

Bottom line: trading Coop may have cost this team the #1 seed. You still feel like patting JJ on the back?

this is such an extreme reach….and I say that not liking that they let cooper go and having a Stephen jones in clown face avatar.

If letting cooper go was the reason we aren’t the number 1 seed than making cooper rush the back up quarterback was the reason our season stayed afloat….which was also a jerry decision. Furthermore lamb, Gallup and brown were all on the team last year so the interceptions aren’t just about chemistry- its bad decision making which could just have easily still happened with amari here.
 

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4 games in 4 years is injury prone? Not making any sense of that.
Injured every year is an example of injury prone.

Merriam-Webster
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Injury-prone Definition & Meaning
injury-prone. idiom. : frequently injured. an athlete who is injury prone.

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What Does 'Injury-Prone' Mean in the NFL?
Jan 28, 2018 — When people say "injury-prone," they mean they're concerned that a player's injury history places them at a higher risk for future injury.

Exactly pertains to Washington. Exactly what happened this year once again. Make sense enough?
 

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The offense is putting the defense in tough positions with the turnovers and drops. Shorter field positions for other teams means more points scored against them. It's no coincidence that the defense has allowed more points since Dak came back, but that's neither here nor there. Nobody is saying Washington is a huge bust. It's the fact that Washington, Gallup, and a small school rookie were expected to pick up the slack after Cooper left that's a huge miss. If you disagree, why is it that Dak leads the NFL in interceptions while having missed 5 games? This is an issue that could've been avoided. I hope Hilton makes all the difference in the playoffs. Whether it actually happens is yet to be seen.
I’m not saying the Cowboys did a good job replacing Coop’s production, I’m only saying that acting like that mistake was something catastrophic is strange. Our offense has been humming and we are witnessing a special season from Lamb.

I don’t think that Coopers presence would’ve have changed much interception wise maybe 1 or 2. Dak has said he’s being more aggressive this year and it’s clear. He’s played well outside of some of the overly-aggressive throws and miscommunication with Ceedee. But I don’t attribute the interceptions to Cooper’s absence.

I think it’s an interesting theory but I definitely attribute the picks to Dak’s being more aggressive and anticipatory.
 

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this is such an extreme reach….and I say that not liking that they let cooper go and having a Stephen jones in clown face avatar.

If letting cooper go was the reason we aren’t the number 1 seed than making cooper rush the back up quarterback was the reason our season stayed afloat….which was also a jerry decision. Furthermore lamb, Gallup and brown were all on the team last year so the interceptions aren’t just about chemistry- its bad decision making which could just have easily still happened with amari here.

Stick to the topic: The Cooper trade and it’s negative effect on the team. Cooper Rush’s effect has nothing to do with the conversation: apples and oranges.

Extreme reach? You blaming Dak for all the INTs and saying it’s simply “bad decision making” is an extreme reach. And I say that not as a Dak fan or defender— he HAS in fact made some very bad decisions.

BUT— he has to work with the WRs given. And that is where the trickle down effect is felt. 2 INTs were off of Lamb running behind the safety (Chi, GB), there have been at least 3 bobbles that resulted in INTs, and Schultz has failed to run precise routes on 2 others.

7 of Dak’s INTs (arguably more) were severely impacted by his pass catchers. What is Amari’s best asset as a WR? Route running.

Dak finished last season with 37 TDs and 10 INTs (1.7% INT). Dak has 22 TDs and 14 INTs (3.9% INT) so far this year. Coincidence?

Past performance is the best indicator of future success. Same offense. Same QB. Different WR corps with guys in different roles. Result? Confusion, sloppiness, mistakes, and more turnovers.

Those turnovers DIRECTLY resulted in the losses in GB and Jax. Therefore, it is not a reach in the least to reason that keeping Coop or onboarding an equivalent talent at WR would have likely resulted in more efficient play, and likely at least 2 more wins.
 

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I’m not saying the Cowboys did a good job replacing Coop’s production, I’m only saying that acting like that mistake was something catastrophic is strange. Our offense has been humming and we are witnessing a special season from Lamb.

I don’t think that Coopers presence would’ve have changed much interception wise maybe 1 or 2. Dak has said he’s being more aggressive this year and it’s clear. He’s played well outside of some of the overly-aggressive throws and miscommunication with Ceedee. But I don’t attribute the interceptions to Cooper’s absence.

I think it’s an interesting theory but I definitely attribute the picks to Dak’s being more aggressive and anticipatory.
Difference of opinion I suppose. I see more aggressive throws into tighter windows because those throws are necessary. We've seen open receivers running down the field as a result of having to account for Lamb AND Cooper. Defenses had to pick their poison and it opened up passing lanes that we haven't seen this year. Dak throughout his career has been very good at protecting the ball, and now all of a sudden he's playing like a poor man's Brett Favre? It didn't have to be Cooper, but expecting an injury prone receiver, a hurt receiver, an absolute unknown, and a special teams specialist to pick up the slack is not good business.

I don't care who's to blame, and I'm definitely not putting it on Dak. The FO went cheap at receiver and it showed on the field. Hilton looks like a godsend late in the season, but Dak is still throwing picks every game. That's what gets you beat in the playoffs. The offense may look good statistically, but those points don't mean as much when they're leaving the defense in tough spots, expecting them to cover for their mistakes.
 
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