Hate of Dak on this board is very ESPN like!

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That's pretty much it. Dak and MM are running out of lives. Some of it is Dak's fault and some of it is coaching, teammates, bad luck, w/e. Ultimately there is a point where doing the same thing over and over and expecting better results gets old for even the biggest dumby's (Jerruh and Stephen).
That's exactly what they are doing, decided not to run it back and change the offensive staff/scheme. We will see the results, huge year for both and their futures.
 

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Ok. Well stated. Understood. Thank you for this bro.

To answer your question, no, I was not one of those asking to tank the season after Dak went down with injury during Week 1.

My apologies for the insults. You're right. Best to have respectful conversations.

PS: If Dak doesn't improve his mistakes this 2023 season, I will be right there asking for his replacement. I do wish he would voluntarily take at least a $10 million/year paycut in order to help the team.
Cool man. I know it can be frustrating. We do have some ....odd balls for sure. I love reading different takes....but it takes away the point if we get too in the weeds. Agreed about dak. And we resolve zeke....try to get us pointed in a healthy direction.
 

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This is funny, you have to watch the news to see how bad the QB is?
 

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We haven't even got a Purdy ATM. Better cutting him in 2024 (post 1st June) and saving the $34m and improve the team, then we don't necessarily need a Mahomes.....even a Stafford has had better success than Dak.
how do you improve the team? who is the QB? and we had 20M on the cap this year and chose not to bring in any FAs to bolster the roster. what makes you think Jones' would do that? we were bottom 5 in cash spending in the league this year.

Stafford is a better a QB than Dak. he was the #1 over all league. was in a bad system, with bad coaches, bad OCs for years. went to a team, that was willing to bring in resources even mid season (something we refused to do even this year) and had McVay as the OC/Coach.

so find me a QB. tell me how he makes the team better. what's your plan. otherwise you are just complaining/whinning
 

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People on this board need to stop whining about Dak Prescott, he isn't as bad as many believe and not going anywhere in the near future. He is our QB and we need to support him, not kill him over everything wrong with the franchise:

-I can go back into the summer posts, where nobody had high expectations for this offense. Many thought with the loss of Cooper, Gallup not going to be ready, this team was going to be lucky to win 8 games. They won 12 games again, with lesser talent, Tyron missing most of the season and Dak out 5 games.

-Dak missed 5 games due to breaking his thumb, when he returned, the offense averaged over 30 points a game, #1 in 3rd down conversion and one of the league leaders in red zone efficiency. Outside of the Washington game, the team just lost 2 OT games on the road, in which the defense blew 2nd half double digits leads. Did Dak play perfect games and protect the football, no, but his offense wasn't the only reason why they lost.

-Lamb finally played like a true #1 receiver down the stretch, but Noah Brown was our next best receiver, yes, Noah Brown the special teamer. If I would of told anybody that Noah Brown was going to be the #2 receiver at the start of the year, everyone would of said they have no chance. Gallup was a complete disaster this season post injury, Tolbert was a bust and Washington was even worse. They were forced to sign a retired 33 year old receiver that was sitting on his couch. Their receiving core was the 2nd worse within the playoff teams.

-Where was the team's strong running game? Don't even need to go into Zeke's production as we all know his time is up, but the run game totally disappeared when Steele went down with an injury. This was a major issue heading into this year's postseason, believe they averaged less then 3 yards against the 49ers in their loss. Both backs could do nothing on the ground. There is a reason why the OL coach, RB was just fired.

-Dak just faced the 49ers defense, which was the best in the entire league. No running game, he was asked to read a defense in which they had 7-8 in coverage with 1 legitimate receiver. On top of this, a scheme that Steve Young stated prior to the game was the most basic, easiest to defend. Now you same fans are changing the goal posts and says Moore is Dak's scapegoat for his poor play.

-People need to accept the fact, the 49ers were the better team, period.

-If you want to blame anybody, it should be more towards the front office. They put together a less talented group and expected better results. They are now forced to upgrade the talent and the staff had no choice but to change their scheme. No doubt Dak has to play better and protect the football, but he needs some support to be successful. Josh Allen scores 10 points at home and gets a pass, but Dak scores 12 on the road against the best defense and it's all his fault.
Dak is NOT an elite QB. He is average at best. Can anyone say he elevates the play of any players on the team? Please don’t point to his stats either. The postseason is the only thing that matters.
 

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People on this board need to stop whining about Dak Prescott, he isn't as bad as many believe and not going anywhere in the near future. He is our QB and we need to support him, not kill him over everything wrong with the franchise:

-I can go back into the summer posts, where nobody had high expectations for this offense. Many thought with the loss of Cooper, Gallup not going to be ready, this team was going to be lucky to win 8 games. They won 12 games again, with lesser talent, Tyron missing most of the season and Dak out 5 games.

-Dak missed 5 games due to breaking his thumb, when he returned, the offense averaged over 30 points a game, #1 in 3rd down conversion and one of the league leaders in red zone efficiency. Outside of the Washington game, the team just lost 2 OT games on the road, in which the defense blew 2nd half double digits leads. Did Dak play perfect games and protect the football, no, but his offense wasn't the only reason why they lost.

-Lamb finally played like a true #1 receiver down the stretch, but Noah Brown was our next best receiver, yes, Noah Brown the special teamer. If I would of told anybody that Noah Brown was going to be the #2 receiver at the start of the year, everyone would of said they have no chance. Gallup was a complete disaster this season post injury, Tolbert was a bust and Washington was even worse. They were forced to sign a retired 33 year old receiver that was sitting on his couch. Their receiving core was the 2nd worse within the playoff teams.

-Where was the team's strong running game? Don't even need to go into Zeke's production as we all know his time is up, but the run game totally disappeared when Steele went down with an injury. This was a major issue heading into this year's postseason, believe they averaged less then 3 yards against the 49ers in their loss. Both backs could do nothing on the ground. There is a reason why the OL coach, RB was just fired.

-Dak just faced the 49ers defense, which was the best in the entire league. No running game, he was asked to read a defense in which they had 7-8 in coverage with 1 legitimate receiver. On top of this, a scheme that Steve Young stated prior to the game was the most basic, easiest to defend. Now you same fans are changing the goal posts and says Moore is Dak's scapegoat for his poor play.

-People need to accept the fact, the 49ers were the better team, period.

-If you want to blame anybody, it should be more towards the front office. They put together a less talented group and expected better results. They are now forced to upgrade the talent and the staff had no choice but to change their scheme. No doubt Dak has to play better and protect the football, but he needs some support to be successful. Josh Allen scores 10 points at home and gets a pass, but Dak scores 12 on the road against the best defense and it's all his fault.
Dak sucks in big games. He is the main reason this team got knocked out by the 49ers two years in a row. And he pds his stats against bad teams
 

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Dak is NOT an elite QB. He is average at best. Can anyone say he elevates the play of any players on the team? Please don’t point to his stats either. The postseason is the only thing that matters.
Nobody is saying he is a top 3 QB. He is an above average player at the position.
 

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Dak sucks in big games. He is the main reason this team got knocked out by the 49ers two years in a row. And he pds his stats against bad teams
49ers are a very good team, they were in the conference championship back to back years and in the SB as well. They did the same thing to Aaron Rodgers last year, when they were the #1 seed. We have to improve in many areas to close the gap, including getting better QB play, but that's isn't the only problem area.
 

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49ers are a very good team, they were in the conference championship back to back years and in the SB as well. They did the same thing to Aaron Rodgers last year, when they were the #1 seed. We have to improve in many areas to close the gap, including getting better QB play, but that's isn't the only problem area.
There's no denying the 49ers gave a very good defense. But all Dak had to do in this last game was not turn it over.
The problem is the risk/reward with his ints. Both of them would have been short gains. Why force it in those situations?
 

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But when that QB is paid such a high percentage of the CAP, to the detriment of the team, the expectation is that he's the one that elevates the team. Sadly when issues appear he's got a tendency to hide rather than rise.
Dak is paid like he is the 9th highest paid Qb in the league. He is consistently in the upper 7 of qb's. The rest of that Boolshizzle you wrote

that's just classic moving the goal line. What do you call The Tampa Bay playoff Game if not rising ? Or does that not count because we won THAT game

I'm sorry dude either you have a reading comprehension problem or you just try to act like people's points were never stated, and I know you can comprehend what you wish to
 

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I dont watch espn so i wouldnt know but maybe they finally got something right for once.
 

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There's no denying the 49ers gave a very good defense. But all Dak had to do in this last game was not turn it over.
The problem is the risk/reward with his ints. Both of them would have been short gains. Why force it in those situations?
I still don’t think they win the game without the turnovers. Gave up a definite 3, but the 2nd one, we weren’t sure that our kicker could even make a kick
 

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People on this board need to stop whining about Dak Prescott, he isn't as bad as many believe and not going anywhere in the near future. He is our QB and we need to support him, not kill him over everything wrong with the franchise:

-I can go back into the summer posts, where nobody had high expectations for this offense. Many thought with the loss of Cooper, Gallup not going to be ready, this team was going to be lucky to win 8 games. They won 12 games again, with lesser talent, Tyron missing most of the season and Dak out 5 games.

-Dak missed 5 games due to breaking his thumb, when he returned, the offense averaged over 30 points a game, #1 in 3rd down conversion and one of the league leaders in red zone efficiency. Outside of the Washington game, the team just lost 2 OT games on the road, in which the defense blew 2nd half double digits leads. Did Dak play perfect games and protect the football, no, but his offense wasn't the only reason why they lost.

-Lamb finally played like a true #1 receiver down the stretch, but Noah Brown was our next best receiver, yes, Noah Brown the special teamer. If I would of told anybody that Noah Brown was going to be the #2 receiver at the start of the year, everyone would of said they have no chance. Gallup was a complete disaster this season post injury, Tolbert was a bust and Washington was even worse. They were forced to sign a retired 33 year old receiver that was sitting on his couch. Their receiving core was the 2nd worse within the playoff teams.

-Where was the team's strong running game? Don't even need to go into Zeke's production as we all know his time is up, but the run game totally disappeared when Steele went down with an injury. This was a major issue heading into this year's postseason, believe they averaged less then 3 yards against the 49ers in their loss. Both backs could do nothing on the ground. There is a reason why the OL coach, RB was just fired.

-Dak just faced the 49ers defense, which was the best in the entire league. No running game, he was asked to read a defense in which they had 7-8 in coverage with 1 legitimate receiver. On top of this, a scheme that Steve Young stated prior to the game was the most basic, easiest to defend. Now you same fans are changing the goal posts and says Moore is Dak's scapegoat for his poor play.

-People need to accept the fact, the 49ers were the better team, period.

-If you want to blame anybody, it should be more towards the front office. They put together a less talented group and expected better results. They are now forced to upgrade the talent and the staff had no choice but to change their scheme. No doubt Dak has to play better and protect the football, but he needs some support to be successful. Josh Allen scores 10 points at home and gets a pass, but Dak scores 12 on the road against the best defense and it's all his fault.
1. I don't post a lot here, but if you read what I posted, I certainly do not "hate" Dak. I gave him more than the benefit of the doubt. But when I constantly watch film analysis of experts who do NOT hate the Cowboys and see them routinely saying, "he went to the wrong guy here," "he threw into double coverage when x was open" and so on you have to reevaluate.

2. Then, when the whole team turned into a run-oriented team and still won under Cooper Rush, that said a lot. A team where Dak throws 35 times a game is a team that will lose every major game to good teams.

3. It's more than just Dak: it's that relying on him moves the Cowboys away from what should be their strength, esp. when Steele comes back, namely running the ball. This line is NOT as good at pass blocking.


4. So I think it's time to move on, which will be very hard to do after committing about 20% of the salary to Dak.
 
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