CFZ Dak is Good Enough to Drive the Bus

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Not only is our OL a concern if it can remain healthy but we no longer have a pound the rock type of RB like when we led the league in rushing with Murray and Elliott.

I suspect we will again lean on our passing game and QB.
We are leaning on the OL and running game. Remember what McCarthy said? The Cowboys were 8th in the league last year and will be about the same this year if not higher.

The Cowboys are going RBBC. The days of Murray and Elliott are over. That's league wide not just the Cowboys.
 

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The problem is that how come Dak can do it during regular season
Even in the regular season you need to look at his games in terms of strength of competition. Weaker opponents or catching a team at a time when they are bitten by the injury bug he shines. Then you hit the playoffs and eventually run into a semi-healthy 49-er team and well you saw what happened the last two seasons. Their problem is not recognizing that Dak can win against teams that are bottom of the barrel or struggling. He isn't the guy who is going to lead you against the better defenses and that makes it important to have weapons galore.
 

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12 - 5, + 2 deep in the playoffs with a season-long injured Oline, only 1 legit WR and a questionable playcaller was not good enough for you? lol
Not buying into the mirage that we all witnessed last season. Dakota "WENTZ 2.0" Prescot was on course for probably another losing season when Rush stepped in for him and saved WENTZ 2.0 from another embarrassing finish. Had WENTZ 2.0 not been injured he would have finished with a 8-9 or maybe a 9-8 season at best. The Boys found out that they could win without their over hyped & overpaid QB when Rush took the reins. Unfortunately for the Boys, when WENTZ 2.0 returned he got picked like a booger in most of the games he played in. To make matters worse, when it came to the 9er game, WENTZ 2.0 couldn't even pull his weight and show up and play JUST an average game. Nope, he couldn't even do that........ Parsons didn't hold back when they asked him why the Cowboys lost to the 9ers, he put it squarely on his QB.
 

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Not buying into the mirage that we all witnessed last season. Dakota "WENTZ 2.0" Prescot was on course for probably another losing season when Rush stepped in for him and saved WENTZ 2.0 from another embarrassing finish. Had WENTZ 2.0 not been injured he would have finished with a 8-9 or maybe a 9-8 season at best. The Boys found out that they could win without their over hyped & overpaid QB when Rush took the reins. Unfortunately for the Boys, when WENTZ 2.0 returned he got picked like a booger in most of the games he played in. To make matters worse, when it came to the 9er game, WENTZ 2.0 couldn't even pull his weight and show up and play JUST an average game. Nope, he couldn't even do that........ Parsons didn't hold back when they asked him why the Cowboys lost to the 9ers, he put it squarely on his QB.
That's not what Mike Martz said about Dak after reviewing his season long tape, including playoffs. You're saying you know more than Mike Martz???
:lmao:
As for Micah Parsons, you mean you're going to take the word of a 2nd year player who had 0 sacks and only a handful of pressures BOTH TIMES in back-to-back playoffs against the very same team in the 49ers?

Talk about you being so desperate to find some kind of support to hate and blame Dak, you have to cling to a 2nd year talented player who 2 playoffs in a row has been non-existent against the very same opponent the Cowboys lost to?
:laugh:
 

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Ok so what you're saying is Dallas has invested 7 years and millions of dollars for a bus driving QB that will never win us the big game. A bus driving style QB may get you though the regular season but he will never get you though the playoffs.
 

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Ok so what you're saying is Dallas has invested 7 years and millions of dollars for a bus driving QB that will never win us the big game. A bus driving style QB may get you though the regular season but he will never get you though the playoffs.
At least not without an amazing defense that can score 14 points a game propping up a comatose offense.
 

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I think blaming the defense is fine...but it needs a deeper dive. I am not sure our 2016 defense was any kind of doomsday...but our offense did them right. We kept the ball, solid run game. Few turnovers. Defense stayed fresh.


Not sure how defense rankings take this kind of stuff into account.
Yeah, that's part of the importance of understanding it's a team game. Defenses can look worse if the offense can't sustain drives. We tend to understand that when we are looking at the big picture. But then we tend to not look at QBs in the context of the big picture.
 

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But the only constant in the two 49'ers games is that when in hurry-up offense Dak was unable to get the Offense working.....now you can argue that it's the WHOLE Offense, and to a degree it is (and we've got to better scheming for that that scenario....personally thing Moore schemed for himself, not Dak), However, it's Dak that has the ball in his hands on every play and he had 4 drives to get the TD to tie/lead.

Im not as much a 'HATER' as I come across, but we cant just hide the deficiency in his game.

Totally agree, and accepting that is the first way to solving the problem. The problem is that how come Dak can do it during regular season, but comes up short in the play-offs.....that indicates it's not personnel, so we're hoping MM can incorporate a scheme that suits Dak, The improved receiving corp and KM's departure should align for success this season.
Our running game was ineffective in last year's playoff game, especially after we lost Pollard. If the run game works, maybe the outcome is different. It's fair to blame Dak for his failures, and he had them in both of those games, but that doesn't mean we couldn't have won anyway if some other area of team play had come through.

In the first San Fran playoff game, one play always kind of jumps out to me. We were having trouble for various reasons moving the ball early in the game. Moore made a great "trick play" call. He had Dak throw over the middle to Cedrick Wilson, who immediately turned and threw a lateral toward Pollard on the sideline. Wilson had been very accurate as a passer but sailed that throw over Pollard's head. If he had hit Pollard, I don't know if he would have scored on that play, but there was a good chance of it. That miss wasn't on Dak as he did his job getting the ball to Wilson.

The final score was 23-17. Now that doesn't mean if we had scored there that we would have won, but that's one missed play that could have had a big impact on the outcome.
 

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watch shultz on this play, he was wide open behind defender, if dak throws to him it is a TD!

so dont know if I would use this play to show how smart dak is lol
Wow, I watched that and you hit that nail square on the head! Shultz was WIDE open! He would've been an EASY TD. It looked like Dak had time to find him, but simply didn't look in that direction.
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Our running game was ineffective in last year's playoff game, especially after we lost Pollard. If the run game works, maybe the outcome is different. It's fair to blame Dak for his failures, and he had them in both of those games, but that doesn't mean we couldn't have won anyway if some other area of team play had come through.

In the first San Fran playoff game, one play always kind of jumps out to me. We were having trouble for various reasons moving the ball early in the game. Moore made a great "trick play" call. He had Dak throw over the middle to Cedrick Wilson, who immediately turned and threw a lateral toward Pollard on the sideline. Wilson had been very accurate as a passer but sailed that throw over Pollard's head. If he had hit Pollard, I don't know if he would have scored on that play, but there was a good chance of it. That miss wasn't on Dak as he did his job getting the ball to Wilson.

The final score was 23-17. Now that doesn't mean if we had scored there that we would have won, but that's one missed play that could have had a big impact on the outcome.
'gimmesix'... just went back to watch that game. The really bad lateral play by Wilson happened in the 1st quarter, 3 minutes plus left ---- inside of the Cowboys 25-yard line. It appeared to me that it would have been a first down gain around the 30-35 yard line - but nothing further.
At that point the score was SF 10, DAL 0.
Despite the Cowboys D being gashed at times in the 2nd qtr, they limited the 49ers to just tacking on two FGs, while the Dallas O did managed a TD to keep it close going into the half = down 16- 7.
3rd qtr___Forty-Niners score a TD, Cowboys didn't do jack.
23-7.
That missed gimmick play...a micronism of how nept the Dallas offense was through the first three quarters of that playoff game.
 

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nept the Dallas offense was through the first three quarters of that playoff game.
That was the general trend in all the losses last year. People keep blaming everyone else to protect the one guy who is supposedly the "leader" of the offense.
 

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That's not what Mike Martz said about Dak after reviewing his season long tape, including playoffs. You're saying you know more than Mike Martz???
:lmao:
As for Micah Parsons, you mean you're going to take the word of a 2nd year player who had 0 sacks and only a handful of pressures BOTH TIMES in back-to-back playoffs against the very same team in the 49ers?

Talk about you being so desperate to find some kind of support to hate and blame Dak, you have to cling to a 2nd year talented player who 2 playoffs in a row has been non-existent against the very same opponent the Cowboys lost to?
:laugh:
Mike Martz..................LOL! Dam, if you're using his knowledge as your expert opinion then you've got more issues than being a WENTZ 2.0 backer............LOL- LOL- LOL- LOL!!!!!!
 

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This is funny. One doesn't know if Dak can carry the team or be more than a bus driver? What games/seasons have y'all been watching the past 7 seasons?

In 7 seasons played (it's actually 7 seasons in total due to Dak's season ending injury early in 2020, plus missing 5 games with another injury last year in 2022), Dak has passed for over 4k yards TWICE with one season being 98 yards from being a 5k passing season. Dak has passed for over 3k yards in every season except his rookie season (2016) and the early season ending leg injury in 2020. In 2020, Dak only plated for 4.25 games due to his early season ending leg injury, but he was averaging 436 yards passing/game. Do the math. During that 16 game season, Dak would have easily shattered Peyton Manning's NFL record single season record of 5,400 since Dak was on pace to pass for almost 7k yards that season. Yet, all of that is not enough to make some realize Dak is more than a bus driver?
:huh:
Those stats are impressive, no doubt, but how many of those yards were in garbage time vs. prevent D.Most QB’s can accumulate those type of stats when you’re losing big and facing prevent type D.Where were those stats when it counted the most in the playoffs the last 2 yrs?
 

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'gimmesix'... just went back to watch that game. The really bad lateral play by Wilson happened in the 1st quarter, 3 minutes plus left ---- inside of the Cowboys 25-yard line. It appeared to me that it would have been a first down gain around the 30-35 yard line - but nothing further.
At that point the score was SF 10, DAL 0.
Despite the Cowboys D being gashed at times in the 2nd qtr, they limited the 49ers to just tacking on two FGs, while the Dallas O did managed a TD to keep it close going into the half = down 16- 7.
3rd qtr___Forty-Niners score a TD, Cowboys didn't do jack.
23-7.
That missed gimmick play...a micronism of how nept the Dallas offense was through the first three quarters of that playoff game.
I agree that it was a microcosm, but feel that play had a much better chance of turning into something big if Wilson had hit Pollard in stride with the lateral. There was room for him to operate and we know now how good Pollard can be with room to operate. Maybe it would have turned into nothing further, but it's really hard to judge that. If Pollard breaks loose and scores on that play, maybe some things go differently.

Not putting the blame for that loss on Wilson anymore than I'm putting it on Dak. There were a lot of things that went wrong, which is usually the case in a loss, and just one or a couple of those things going differently can lead to a different outcome.
 

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Those stats are impressive, no doubt, but how many of those yards were in garbage time vs. prevent D.Most QB’s can accumulate those type of stats when you’re losing big and facing prevent type D.Where were those stats when it counted the most in the playoffs the last 2 yrs?
This was already proven how most of Dak's stats have happened during the 2nd and 3rd quarters, pretty much destroying the "garbage time" stats fallacy.
 

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This was already proven how most of Dak's stats have happened during the 2nd and 3rd quarters, pretty much destroying the "garbage time" stats fallacy.
Cough, cough.....Dak's rating >2mins and trailing, plus the discrepancy, especially in the last two seasons between Dak's Rating and QBR. Now there's an argument that all QB's face the same disparity, however, checking/comparing the >2 min stats with: Allen, Stafford and even Cousins you'll find Dak's stats are dramatically inferior....it does appear the issue is clutch time. Not insurmountable, but we have to accept that Dak/We have a problem executing late on and chasing.
 

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Our running game was ineffective in last year's playoff game, especially after we lost Pollard. If the run game works, maybe the outcome is different. It's fair to blame Dak for his failures, and he had them in both of those games, but that doesn't mean we couldn't have won anyway if some other area of team play had come through.

The final score was 23-17. Now that doesn't mean if we had scored there that we would have won, but that's one missed play that could have had a big impact on the outcome.
Yes, the foundation of both game (and why we succeeded in the Bucc's game) is the inability to run the ball (Game1 - penalties, Game 2 - Tony), but that doesnt excuse the fact that sometimes things are going to go wrong....and the ball is in the QB's hands every down. We make give reasons/excuses, but those that succeed overcome difficulties, not surrender to them.

As for Dak.....this is my main (virtually only) concern, everything needs to work, which is highly unlikely when you play the better teams who arent holding back.
 
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