Andy Dalton Vs Tony Romo

[5Stars]

well Romo wouldve thrown for 350 yards and 4 tds thats your difference and they still wouldve lost and Blamed him. What rock do you live under ? Everytime we lose the world is blaming Romo not praising him.

Romo does not need to be praised either. He makes his share of stupid mistakes. The whole team did.

If anything, the whole team should be praised for what they went through to get to 8-8.

 

[perrykemp]

does this not sound like romo to you at all?

looked pretty good, took 500 team "almost" led them to victory. but in the end it was the defenses fault.

not at all

(except he actually has led his 500 team to way way more late game victories than rodgers)

Very similar story. Except Rodger's team made it the playoffs.

I get the comparison you are trying to make, however, I have trouble buying it 100%.

Rodgers has made the playoffs the 5 seasons in row despite most years having a poor running game, despite being the most sacked QB in the league, despite generally having pretty bad defenses. Heck, they even went 15-1 despite having the 2nd rated defense in the history of the NFL.

Romo has had many of the same issues (poor line, no running game, bad defenses) and has missed the playoffs the past 4 seasons.

I'm just not a big fan on 'comparing Romo and Rodgers' line of argument.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Very similar story. Except Rodger's team made it the playoffs.

I get the comparison you are trying to make, however, I have trouble buying it 100%.

Rodgers has made the playoffs the 5 seasons in row despite most years having a poor running game, despite being the most sacked QB in the league, despite generally having pretty bad defenses. Heck, they even went 15-1 despite having the 2nd rated defense in the history of the NFL.

Romo has had many of the same issues (poor line, no running game, bad defenses) and has missed the playoffs the past 4 seasons.

I'm just not a big fan on 'comparing Romo and Rodgers' line of argument.

So whats the point of being 1 and done in the playoffs 4 out of 5 years?

 

[DandyDon1722]

Come on Dragon.. you know you are tempted by the truth. You can join Natural, Catch17, Revolution, and many others who were swayed by the truth in the last year.

I tried to come up with something to top this and I couldn't.

Ahem....like I always say...the ten percenters.

Doesn't make you bad posters or fans, just puts you in the miniscule minority (who are aren't in the majority of sheep who believe everything they see and hear), but are generally knowledgeable about the team yet who ignore guys like Aikman, Staubach, Dilfer, Young, Scott Pioli, Belichek, Parcells, etc let alone opposing team's players and their evaluation (not opinion) of Romo.

My god, Steve Young called Romo a savant who perceives things on the field his own teammates and coaches don't and he dummies down because Young sees the same thing Romo does in watching the tape.

But for some insane reason they think they are right about Romo despite the numbers, the experts who have devoted their entire lives to the game while denying the truth that it is a team game.

That being said the two things that are truly laughable is the crystal ball they all have that says:

A. Romo will never win.
B. They can't wait to move on to an elite QB. FYI - the Browns are still waiting after 40 years.

 

[HappyOnions]

So whats the point of being 1 and done in the playoffs 4 out of 5 years?

The sad reality is that, as I mentioned before, Rodgers has won a Super Bowl. He's proven that he can get it done when it counts.

 

[HappyOnions]

So far it hasn't....maybe this season.

Maybe, but with the same coach, players, and an aging QB with back problems...not to mention a brutal schedule (playing the NFC West) along with the Bears and Saints again, I have a hard time believing that this team will even finish at .500 next season.

 

[perrykemp]

So whats the point of being 1 and done in the playoffs 4 out of 5 years?

The point is humankind needs a system to measure the relative success of NFL teams vs one another unless your model is the is 1 winner and 31 equal bad losers

I submit to you my truly unique hertofore never published in the history of the internet, the NFL, or mankind model:

Superbowl winner > Making Playoffs > Not Making Playoffs

I have a much more advanced model that typically would require an advanced mathematical or statistical degree that looks like this:

SB Winner > SB Loser > Championship games Losers > Just Making Playoffs, Missing Playoff (but winning record), Missing Playoffs with Losing Record

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

The sad reality is that, as I mentioned before, Rodgers has won a Super Bowl. He's proven that he can get it done when it counts.

i guess flacco gets a pass for the rest of his career *shrugs* looked pretty piss poor to me. I dont see the glory of being 1 and done in the playoffs the last 3 years.

 

[johnson2]

The sad reality is that, as I mentioned before, Rodgers has won a Super Bowl. He's proven that he can get it done when it counts.

he won a sb with a def qb rating of 67. romos avg def qb ratings is 88

 

[perrykemp]

i guess flacco gets a pass for the rest of his career *shrugs* looked pretty piss poor to me. I dont see the glory of being 1 and done in the playoffs the last 3 years.

No glory to be sure, but making it to the playoffs is the 1st goal for every team. Without that you don't get a shot at the Superbowl.

So yes in my mind making the playoffs is infinitely better than not making the playoffs.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

The point is humankind needs a system to measure the relative success of NFL teams vs one another unless your model is the is 1 winner and 31 equal bad losers

I submit to you my truly unique hertofore never published in the history of the internet, the NFL, or mankind model:

Superbowl winner > Making Playoffs > Not Making Playoffs

I have a much more advanced model that typically would require an advanced mathematical or statistical degree that looks like this:

SB Winner > SB Loser > Championship games Losers > Just Making Playoffs, Missing Playoff (but winning record), Missing Playoffs with Losing Record

i definitely hope we don't model our team with the recent packers. Because im not impressed . Am i suppose to be impressed with them ? Their defense is just as bad and their qb consistently loses to QB'S that are suppose to be average. I guess we should shoot to be 1 and done for the next 3 years , including 8-7-1 then we are considered a success!

ill model my team with the current 49ers , Seahawks or even Panthers. Why ? because they are much better than the Us and the Packers.

 

[johnson2]

Johnson2:

You facts are unassailable. It's clear that this guys considered elite haven't won Superbowls when their defenses have had poor pass defenses.

I'd be really curious to see what their playoff records are with similar poor defenses. Just saying that didn't win the Superbowl those years, while a very valid data point, I don't feel tells the whole story.

Maybe I'll crunch the numbers sometime soon.

i would be curious too.

romo got 1st round bye the year we had 75 def qb ratings and a playoff win the year we had 83.5 def qb rating. so the 2 years he had a OK def qb rating (still both below avg sb champ since 2000) we were in 2nd round of playoffs. no idea about the other guys.

 

[HappyOnions]

he won a sb with a def qb rating of 67. romos avg def qb ratings is 88

Are we talking about Aaron Rodgers? Because he won his Super Bowl with 24/39, 3 TDs, no Ints and 304 yards. I don't think that culminates in a 67 QBR

Edit: I didn't see the def QB rating.

 

[perrykemp]

i definitely hope we don't model our team with the recent packers. Because im not impressed . Am i suppose to be impressed with them ? Their defense is just as bad and their qb consistently loses to QB'S that are suppose to be average. I guess we should shoot to be 1 and done for the next 3 years , including 8-7-1 then we are considered a success!

ill model my team with the current 49ers , Seahawks or even Panthers. Why ? because they are much better than the Us and the Packers.

At a micro level I agree you -- this year's Packers are only slightly better version that this year's Cowboys. There are far better teams in the NFL.

At a macro level, maybe it's not a bad thing to want the Cowboys to model themselves after the Packers. Over the past 20 years they've only had two losing seasons (couple of .500 seasons too), they've made the playoffs 14 times, and on average get themselves in the Superbowl every 6-7 years and occasionally even win them once in a while.

It all starts with making the playoffs.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

No glory to be sure, but making it to the playoffs is the 1st goal for every team. Without that you don't get a shot at the Superbowl.

So yes in my mind making the playoffs is infinitely better than not making the playoffs.

At a micro level I agree you -- this year's Packers are only slightly better version that this year's Cowboys. There are far better teams in the NFL.

At a macro level, maybe it's not a bad thing to want the Cowboys to model themselves after the Packers. Over the past 20 years they've only had two losing seasons (couple of .500 seasons too), they've made the playoffs 14 times, and on average get themselves in the Superbowl every 6-7 years and occasionally even win them once in a while.

It all starts with making the playoffs.

Since we are going back 20 years lets go with the patriots okay ? I think we should model off them now .

 

[HappyOnions]

Are we talking about Aaron Rodgers? Because he won his Super Bowl with 24/39, 3 TDs, no Ints and 304 yards. I don't think that culminates in a 67 QBR

Edit: I didn't see the def QB rating.

Regardless, he won three road playoff wins against Philadelphia (who had Michael Vick during his huge year) against the Falcons (the #1 seed that year) and against Chicago at Soldier Field.

Trying to make other QBs sound bad in order for Romo to not look as bad isn't really going to work.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Regardless, he won three road playoff wins against Philadelphia (who had Michael Vick during his huge year) against the Falcons (the #1 seed that year) and against Chicago at Soldier Field.

Trying to make other QBs sound bad in order for Romo to not look as bad isn't really going to work.

yea guys HE did it by himself just like ELI beat Brady Twice !

 

[johnson2]

not trying to make aaron look bad, he is amazing. but even he doesnt have a sb's with def qb ratings over 70 let alone 80

i was saying his defense had a def. qb rating of 67 for the entire season.

 

[HappyOnions]

yea guys HE did it by himself just like ELI beat Brady Twice !

I never said he did it by himself, Tramon Williams was huge during those playoffs.

 

[johnson2]

Regardless, he won three road playoff wins against Philadelphia (who had Michael Vick during his huge year) against the Falcons (the #1 seed that year) and against Chicago at Soldier Field.

Trying to make other QBs sound bad in order for Romo to not look as bad isn't really going to work.

while his defense on the seasons had a def qb ratings of 67

they gave up an avg of 19pts per game in the playoffs and had 11 takeaways in 4 games.