Climate Change

[Doomsday101]

A lot of people believe things for which there is no proof. There is something about climate change though that makes some virulently opposed to any measures to stop it and demanding proof of its existence.

I think doing things within reason but some of the so called solution is going to cost many people their jobs it is going to put a financial burden on people who are barely getting by as is they can't afford what some propose as a solution. It is easy for those with the means but those who have little this would be a complete back breaker for them. I think the so called big bad oil companies are investing money into other forms of energy after all they are in the business to produce energy for profit and it is in their best interest to be at the fore front. One of the cleanest forms of energy is Nuclear but of course we have many groups against that. They want solar and wind and frankly none of those is enough to power a large city and they produce a small fraction of power.

 

[Denim Chicken]

One of the cleanest forms of energy is Nuclear

Tell that to Japan

 

[Doomsday101]

Tell that to Japan

No doubt laxed regulation on construction of a nuclear plant can be devastating just as it was with the Chernobyl disaster, heck a poorly designed or lack of regulation on a refinery can be devastating. One blew up in Texas City and could be felt here in Houston.

 

[BigStar]

I think doing things within reason but some of the so called solution is going to cost many people their jobs it is going to put a financial burden on people who are barely getting by as is they can't afford what some propose as a solution. It is easy for those with the means but those who have little this would be a complete back breaker for them. I think the so called big bad oil companies are investing money into other forms of energy after all they are in the business to produce energy for profit and it is in their best interest to be at the fore front. One of the cleanest forms of energy is Nuclear but of course we have many groups against that. They want solar and wind and frankly none of those is enough to power a large city and they produce a small fraction of power.

Oil/Coal have invested great resources in protecting the current structure. If anything, it is in their best interest to keep things status quo. They pay relatively little taxes, are issued government subsides (smh), and are the most more powerful influence in Washington. The Nuclear option obviously has a stigma because of WWII and why that avenue has been explored more aggressively as you mentioned. The real issue I have is the lack of funding invested in researching these methods because of the influence of Big Oil. Wall Street and Big Oil also have a close relationship which also speaks to a lack of intentional development on their behalf. They own this resource and there is no gurantee that their current profits would continue as multiple resources/options become valuable. That is why I don't believe it is in their best interest to explore/develop different and more financially efficient options (to consumers).

 

[jrumann59]

To understand how desperate GW alarmists are, look at the guy that designed the solar panel road way and how easily it was debunked but was able to raise over 2 million dollars for "R&D". When I saw the pitch for it I immediately saw 5 things wrong with the design that he would not be able ot get past.

 

[Rogah]

As for the thermometer issue.

It doesn't matter how they're made or if they're even the same size.

So long as we both mark a line where water boils - and mark a line where it freezes - we have all the info needed.

Since nobody has done this before, I'll just make up a scale and for simplicity....

0 is freezing and 100 is boiling.

Split the middle space up into an evenly spaced number of tick marks and there we go.

I think that's a great idea. Nothing could go wrong there.

WHOOPS!!! Looks like all the thermometers a totally miscalibrated from each other since different altitudes have different freezing and boiling points. Your 100 degrees in Denver is about 105 degrees at sea level.

Considering the whole global warming argument comes down to tenths of a degree, I'd say a 5 degree miscalibration on your thermometer is pretty significant, wouldn't you?

 

[Rogah]

To understand how desperate GW alarmists are, look at the guy that designed the solar panel road way and how easily it was debunked but was able to raise over 2 million dollars for "R&D". When I saw the pitch for it I immediately saw 5 things wrong with the design that he would not be able ot get past.

I saw a news article for that in a mainstream media publication.

I couldn't believe how stupid some people could be. I wasn't even talking about the idiotic science behind it (which has been totally decimated by others much more learned than I). I'm just talking about things like driving west on the evening commute on PGBT when the road was, you know, MADE OF GLASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hoofbite]

I think that's a great idea. Nothing could go wrong there.

WHOOPS!!! Looks like all the thermometers a totally miscalibrated from each other since different altitudes have different freezing and boiling points. Your 100 degrees in Denver is about 105 degrees at sea level.

Considering the whole global warming argument comes down to tenths of a degree, I'd say a 5 degree miscalibration on your thermometer is pretty significant, wouldn't you?

And of course you are the first person to have ever figured this out so there's no possible way they could have factored that in, amirite?

Seriously, do you really think that they have not accounted for this?

 

[burmafrd]

And of course you are the first person to have ever figured this out so there's no possible way they could have factored that in, amirite?

Seriously, do you really think that they have not accounted for this?

no, only you think that this 'factoring' is accurate with NO WAY to cross check it.

 

[Hoofbite]

no, only you think that this 'factoring' is accurate with NO WAY to cross check it.

You may as well be saying you don't trust scales or rulers before a certain date because there's no way to check the equipment.

In fact, you may as well say that you don't trust any measurement of any kind because every single measurement is based on a reference in one form or another.

And what do you mean there's no way to cross check?

You recreate what they have done and measure with the both the equipment they used, and the equipment we use today. Unless you don't trust today's thermometers, that's a "cross check".

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

To understand how desperate GW alarmists are, look at the guy that designed the solar panel road way and how easily it was debunked but was able to raise over 2 million dollars for "R&D". When I saw the pitch for it I immediately saw 5 things wrong with the design that he would not be able ot get past.

Curious... Like?

 

[Doomsday101]

Oil/Coal have invested great resources in protecting the current structure. If anything, it is in their best interest to keep things status quo. They pay relatively little taxes, are issued government subsides (smh), and are the most more powerful influence in Washington. The Nuclear option obviously has a stigma because of WWII and why that avenue has been explored more aggressively as you mentioned. The real issue I have is the lack of funding invested in researching these methods because of the influence of Big Oil. Wall Street and Big Oil also have a close relationship which also speaks to a lack of intentional development on their behalf. They own this resource and there is no gurantee that their current profits would continue as multiple resources/options become valuable. That is why I don't believe it is in their best interest to explore/develop different and more financially efficient options (to consumers).

I disagree you have many who are investing heavy into geothermal and other forms of energy, yes they still make money off of oil and coal and will continue to do so until a better alternative can be produced in the end they will be part of any new energy source. Personally I don't think they are the big bad companies they are big successful companies who employ many people at very good wages and produce a product that keeps this nation moving forward. But that is me

 

[BigStar]

I disagree you have many who are investing heavy into geothermal and other forms of energy, yes they still make money off of oil and coal and will continue to do so until a better alternative can be produced in the end they will be part of any new energy source. Personally I don't think they are the big bad companies they are big successful companies who employ many people at very good wages and produce a product that keeps this nation moving forward. But that is me

I embrace the economic benefits towards the US workforce that result from large business in simple employment but that would also be true with any form of organization distributing a massive energy resource. They aren't the boogeyman. They are the shady cousins whose power in Washington relates to suppressed funding towards renewable energy, their "relationship" with the US military to protect over seas business interest. Not to speak of the "foreign aid" aka "American Business in foreign countries" farce that many in the US completely misunderstand.

 

[DFWJC]

Oil/Coal have invested great resources in protecting the current structure. If anything, it is in their best interest to keep things status quo. They pay relatively little taxes, are issued government subsides (smh), and are the most more powerful influence in Washington. The Nuclear option obviously has a stigma because of WWII and why that avenue has been explored more aggressively as you mentioned. The real issue I have is the lack of funding invested in researching these methods because of the influence of Big Oil. Wall Street and Big Oil also have a close relationship which also speaks to a lack of intentional development on their behalf. They own this resource and there is no gurantee that their current profits would continue as multiple resources/options become valuable. That is why I don't believe it is in their best interest to explore/develop different and more financially efficient options (to consumers).

For more than a decade now "Big Oil" influence on Wall Street has been muted..especially compared to its contributions to GDP.
They are 9th amount political contribution and are absolutely dwarfed by real estate, finance, and others. The fall way behind health care, lawyers, big labor, computers, and others as well.
Hollywood makes them out to be this big bully but that's because they are politically correct prey....so are actually the ones often bullied and vilified.

Anyway, none of these PACT or industries are innocent, but the stereotype of Big Oil seems to get 10x their share of scrutiny compared to Big Labor, Big Pharma, Big Banks, Big Lawyers, etc.

Just clearing it up. They are about 1/9th of the Financial and Real Estate pacts.

 

[DFWJC]

I do wish China and India would be held more accountable. Maybe some day.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Just clearing it up. They are about 1/9th of the Financial and Real Estate pacts.

Big Oil's influence is more prevalent in foreign policy.

 

[BigStar]

I do wish China and India would be held more accountable. Maybe some day.

Thanks for posting that DFW and wasn't aware of the contributions (which are shared across partisan lines, similar to Wall St.) so didn't intned to insinuate one side is above it by any means. Where Big Oil seems to have the most influential impact is mainly through safety/environmental regulations being weakened. Big Oil is such a powerful business entity that their influence in Washington is tied into the economy and more importantly, overseas interest that need the support of the US govt/sometimes the US Military. The other items mentioned; Health Care, Lawyers, Big Pharma, Technology, etc. are also Big Business entities working their influence ($) via govt. appropriations or strengthening/weakening/revamping regulations that suit their interests. Big Pharma/Health Care are big on that list and one of the reasons the ACA was needed to begin with. The fraud perpetuated by doctors/medical organizations by overcharging medicare related services inflated the GDP that no amount of money would blind the public to see how poor our funds are being accounted for in healthcare.

 

[burmafrd]

You may as well be saying you don't trust scales or rulers before a certain date because there's no way to check the equipment.

In fact, you may as well say that you don't trust any measurement of any kind because every single measurement is based on a reference in one form or another.

And what do you mean there's no way to cross check?

You recreate what they have done and measure with the both the equipment they used, and the equipment we use today. Unless you don't trust today's thermometers, that's a "cross check".

You cannot time travel and check what the temperature actually was back then. Surprised even you cannot figure that out.

Do you have the thermometers used back then? NO. Do you even have a detailed description of most of them back then? NO. Therefore your claims are a joke.

And beyond that how many places were even taking daily temps 100 years ago? How much of the world was covered? How much of the oceans were covered? Just a little hint- not that much. So any claims of anything 100 years ago are a joke for any real scientific study.

 

[jrumann59]

Curious... Like?

Tempered safety glass panels, solar power needs light, glass panels being driven on with god knows hat crap is in the tires will eventually get scratched to the point of either breaking or reducing light transmission to he solar panel.

They are fixed solar panels which are the most inefficient so they will not have enough ability to draw a power surplus to handle overcast days or nights.

The LEDS in the panels would draw too much power, for the LEDs to do what they say they can do they would have to be high power LEDs to compensate for the sun. Again net power gain is not there.

They talk about a heating element in it to keep the roads ice and snow free again it goes to they cannot draw that much power and keep the panels working around the clock.

Proclaim to be lower maintenance but if one panel goes bad one panel has to be replaced, we are talking about 3ft by 3ft panel, think your x-mas lights.

 

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