Per Bleacher Report BW Webb gone

[DiResta]

So Webb is a 4th round miss but there are couple dudes like Patmon and this new guy Thomas who were drafted later that look better in many ways. both love to hit and not afraid to play what they see. Im fine with giving guys like that time over soft players.

 

[John813]

Boy, I was wrong on Webb. Thought he could of been a good slot corner.

Kinda sad that our last good batch of fourth round hits was when Ireland was still here.

 

[TimHortons]

Fourth rounders bust (as in, contribute little to no value to an NFL franchise) over 50% of the time. People vastly overestimate the hit rate of draft picks.

That said, we really are atrocious at picking in that round.

Good find. I was hoping someone would bring up some stats like that because I am too lazy to look for them myself at the moment

 

[tantrix1969]

For all the 4th round woe is the team experts...Tony Mandrich was a 1st round pick and 2nd overall, for the Packers behind Troy Aikman.
And then there were those who thought Dallas should have picked Mandrich over Aikman back then....

Yes, bringing up a different teams first round bust over 20 years ago really brings some perspective to our recent 4th round woes

 

[Common Sense]

Wait, haven't I been hearing how good B.W. Webb and the DL have looked in preseason by members of this board?

 

[CyberB0b]

BW was a pretty terrible pick, even on draft day.

 

[Common Sense]

BW was a pretty terrible pick, even on draft day.

Whoever is in charge of the fourth round for this team either needs to be fired or shot.

 

[LucaBrasi]

BW Webb, 4th rounder, doesn't even make it to opening day of his 2nd season. Matt Johnson, 4th rounder, doesn't play one regular season snap as a Cowboy. These type of draft choices are why this team goes nowhere, year after year after year.

 

[jazzcat22]

Yes, bringing up a different teams first round bust over 20 years ago really brings some perspective to our recent 4th round woes

Glad you recognized it then...
It's no different than what some agendas are in other regards.....LOL

 

[lolli]

Take it for what it is worth. These are all the fourth rounders from 2003 to 2013.

Year Pick Player Position
2013 114 Webb, B. W
2012 113 Kyle Wilber
2012 135 Johnson, Matt
2011 110 Arkin, David
2010 126 Owusu-Ansah, Akwasi
2009 101 McGee, Stephen
2009 110 Butler, Victor
2009 120 Williams, Brandon
2008 122 Choice, Tashard
2007 103 Stanback, Isaiah
2007 122 Doug Free
2006 125 Green, Skyler
2005 109 Barber III, Marion
2005 132 Canty, Chris
2004 121 Thornton, Bruce
2003 103 James, Bradie

Source: Wikipedia

 

[jazzcat22]

Yes, bringing up a different teams first round bust over 20 years ago really brings some perspective to our recent 4th round woes

And I'm not a Webb fan, I thought he should have been cut regardless.

 

[unionjack8]

I was wrrr

I was wrr wrrrr wrrrrrrr

I waswwrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroyal blue! on this player.

[/LiarLiar]

people(me included) got way too wrapped up in a great senior bowl week, guy couldnt cover without grabbing cloth

 

[quaigs]

Like any other team did better in the 4th round. If you look at draft history after the first 2 rounds any hits are pure luck.

Matt Barkley
Nico Johnson
Akeem Spence
Ace Sanders
Josh Boyce
Alex Okafor
Jelani Jenkins
Duke Williams
Dion Sims
Brian Schwenke
Edmund Kugbila
David Bakhtiari
Ryan Nassib
Shamarko Thomas
Tyler Wilson
Barrett Jones
B.W. Webb
Landry Jones
Earl Watford
Khaseem Greene
Sean Porter
Phillip Thomas
Gerald Hodges
Khaled Holmes
J.C. Tretter
Chris Harper
Trevardo Williams
Johnathan Franklin
William Gholston
Malliciah Goodman
Quinton Patton
John Simon
Kyle Juszczyk
Marcus Lattimore
Devin Taylor
Levine Toilolo

 

[JD_KaPow]

Take it for what it is worth. These are all the fourth rounders from 2003 to 2013.

Year Pick Player Position
2013 114 Webb, B. W
2012 113 Kyle Wilber
2012 135 Johnson, Matt
2011 110 Arkin, David
2010 126 Owusu-Ansah, Akwasi
2009 101 McGee, Stephen
2009 110 Butler, Victor
2009 120 Williams, Brandon
2008 122 Choice, Tashard
2007 103 Stanback, Isaiah
2007 122 Doug Free
2006 125 Green, Skyler
2005 109 Barber III, Marion
2005 132 Canty, Chris
2004 121 Thornton, Bruce
2003 103 James, Bradie

Source: Wikipedia

Wilber's looking like a somewhat better than average 4th-rounder.
Johnson-Arkin-AOA-McGee: my eyes are bleeding just looking at that.
Butler and Choice were fine 4th-rounders. Free's an excellent one.
That James-Canty-Barber stretch was pretty incredible and extremely rare.

 

[DFWJC]

Take it for what it is worth. These are all the fourth rounders from 2003 to 2013.

Year Pick Player Position
2013 114 Webb, B. W
2012 113 Kyle Wilber
2012 135 Johnson, Matt
2011 110 Arkin, David
2010 126 Owusu-Ansah, Akwasi
2009 101 McGee, Stephen
2009 110 Butler, Victor
2009 120 Williams, Brandon
2008 122 Choice, Tashard
2007 103 Stanback, Isaiah
2007 122 Doug Free
2006 125 Green, Skyler
2005 109 Barber III, Marion
2005 132 Canty, Chris
2004 121 Thornton, Bruce
2003 103 James, Bradie

Source: Wikipedia

Thanks

That hit/miss rate basically reflects what we see across the NFL, but 2003-2007 success skews the averages....and we should be more interested in the most recent years.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Whoever is in charge of the fourth round for this team either needs to be fired or shot.

I don't think it's either/or, I think it's first and second.

 

[jazzcat22]

Wilber's looking like a somewhat better than average 4th-rounder.
Johnson-Arkin-AOA-McGee: my eyes are bleeding just looking at that.
Butler and Choice were fine 4th-rounders. Free's an excellent one.
That James-Canty-Barber stretch was pretty incredible and extremely rare.

Johnson was a good choice at the time, but in hindsight it turned out not so good.
Arkin is questionable, but I believe IIRC he had some back issues that held him back too. But not to the degree of Johnson. AOA seemed to be a reach, And McGee was worth a shot, as not too many QB's past the 3rd round have a lot of success.

 

[TheDude]

Take it for what it is worth. These are all the fourth rounders from 2003 to 2013.

Year Pick Player Position
2013 114 Webb, B. W
2012 113 Kyle Wilber
2012 135 Johnson, Matt
2011 110 Arkin, David
2010 126 Owusu-Ansah, Akwasi
2009 101 McGee, Stephen
2009 110 Butler, Victor
2009 120 Williams, Brandon
2008 122 Choice, Tashard
2007 103 Stanback, Isaiah
2007 122 Doug Free
2006 125 Green, Skyler
2005 109 Barber III, Marion
2005 132 Canty, Chris
2004 121 Thornton, Bruce
2003 103 James, Bradie

Source: Wikipedia

2003-6 looks pretty good. dont know what happened there

 

[AbeBeta]

Take it for what it is worth. These are all the fourth rounders from 2003 to 2013.

Year Pick Player Position
2013 114 Webb, B. W
2012 113 Kyle Wilber
2012 135 Johnson, Matt
2011 110 Arkin, David
2010 126 Owusu-Ansah, Akwasi
2009 101 McGee, Stephen
2009 110 Butler, Victor
2009 120 Williams, Brandon
2008 122 Choice, Tashard
2007 103 Stanback, Isaiah
2007 122 Doug Free
2006 125 Green, Skyler
2005 109 Barber III, Marion
2005 132 Canty, Chris
2004 121 Thornton, Bruce
2003 103 James, Bradie

Source: Wikipedia

Canty, Free, Barber, and James were quality picks. That 4 really good players in 11 years. Butler, Wilber, and Choice justify their slots. Butler is especially impressive as the 2009 draft was among the worst in the league in many years. There are some misses there but we got 7 picks that did pretty well out of 11 drafts. That's not great but I'd bet it is close to the league average.

The real issue here is that a few of those guys - Arkin and Johnson have been whipping boys for this board - that ends up skewing the perception toward "we suck at the 4th round"

 

[Kaiser]

For all the 4th round woe is the team experts...Tony Mandrich was a 1st round pick and 2nd overall, for the Packers behind Troy Aikman.
And then there were those who thought Dallas should have picked Mandrich over Aikman back then....

Example A: Mel Kiper of ESPN