How on Earth is Garrett NOT Coach of the Year?

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Scott Linehan...

"The way I look at it is I think our team's got a special run going right now," Linehan said. "It has nothing to do with me or anybody individually. It has everything to do with how we've built this thing and how we do things together. I'm just really proud of Jason [Garrett], how he's led our team, and how our team has responded, how our guys have played. It's pretty special. We've got work to do. We've got to get back on that horse here and get ready for the next one."

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4739314/scott-linehan-head-coaching-jobs-can-wait
 

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Rod Marinelli...

Marinelli cited the Jones family, coach Jason Garrett and the players as the top reasons why he chose to remain in Dallas with a three-year deal.

“I just love it here,” Marinelli said as he checked into his hotel at the Pro Bowl on Tuesday. “I love football and this place, it just reeks with tradition and winning and wanting to win, wanting to be the very, very best. I think that’s as exciting as anything.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/pos...cowboys-was-never-an-option-for-rod-marinelli
 

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Already answered.

Mike Fisher said this when I just asked him what he would say to someone who believes Jason Garrett has nothing to do with the game day preparations for football.

"I'd say that person is completely ignorant of how things work at Valley Ranch."

Steve Dennis said, "Tell that guy he doesn't have a clue."

Their words, not mine.

So basically absolutely nobody from Valley Ranch... By the way, game day preparations can mean many things, such as clapping and spitting...
 

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Rod Marinelli...

Marinelli cited the Jones family, coach Jason Garrett and the players as the top reasons why he chose to remain in Dallas with a three-year deal.

“I just love it here,” Marinelli said as he checked into his hotel at the Pro Bowl on Tuesday. “I love football and this place, it just reeks with tradition and winning and wanting to win, wanting to be the very, very best. I think that’s as exciting as anything.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/pos...cowboys-was-never-an-option-for-rod-marinelli

Oh, he likes the Cowboys organization and can coach freely, however he wants? More irrelevant tangents that have nothing to do with the issue at hand..
 

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Keep telling yourself that.

So Mike Fisher and Steve Dennis talking about game day preparations are proof that Garrett wasn't demoted from play-calling and having less and less input in the offense?
 

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So Mike Fisher and Steve Dennis talking about game day preparations are proof that Garrett wasn't demoted from play-calling and having less and less input in the offense?

How are you demoted if you are the HC? He does not call plays and? He is still the HC he still has input leading up to and on game day. Evidently the job he has done with this team getting them ready and getting them to perform is the biggest part of his or any HC's job. He no longer is focused on solely on offense his attention is now on the team as a whole. You can call that a demotion is you choose but it does not change the fact he is the HC. He does not answer to Linehan or Marnielli they work under him
 

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Jones forced Bill Callahan to be the playcaller. There was one problem with the move (and it was no fault of Callahan's): Garrett didn't trust him with his offense.
Coming into the 2014 season, Garrett hired Scott Linehan as his offensive playcaller, and the walk-around thing worked a lot better.
Garrett was still involved with the offense with Linehan on board, but it was more in an advisory role. In practices, he spent more time with the defense. In meetings, he spent more time with defense.
By being more well-rounded, Garrett became a better coach.
"Maybe one of the most underutilized opportunities in coaching is the communication between offensive guys, defensive guys and special teams guys," Garrett said. "One of the things that we have done in the past is you break each other down. The offensive line coach is talking with the defensive line coach. What are you doing? What are you looking at here? Why is he in that kind of stance? Why is he so wide? Sometimes you sit on one side of the ball and say, 'If we do this, they're going to do this.' The defensive guy says, 'They ain't doing that. This is why they're doing that.'
"Just opening up those lines of communication, I think they're really, really important. So one of the things I tried to do for the defensive guys is provide an offensive perspective. 'This is what they're trying to get accomplished here. This is how we run that play. This is how we block that.' Maybe give them some insights, and obviously learning more about what we're doing and being able to communicate and coach better was a big a part of the process for me as well."
With Linehan returning in 2015, Garrett can continue to walk around and continue to grow.
"Hopefully, I'm better than I was yesterday," Garrett said. "That's really the way I look at it, and the culture we're trying to create here is that everybody is striving to get better each and every day. That applies to me too. This is a good structure that we have in place right now. It certainly affords me the opportunity to be more involved in a lot of different parts of our team. We have people in place who I trust to do those jobs well in the structure that we have them, so I think those are all positives.
"You can be more involved in the defense, more involved in the kicking game, more involved in the offense, more involved with personnel, how the roster is put together, and I think those are all positive things for a head coach to be able to do."

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-cowb...n-jason-garretts-walkaround-ability-took-root
 

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So Mike Fisher and Steve Dennis talking about game day preparations are proof that Garrett wasn't demoted from play-calling and having less and less input in the offense?
You keep calling it a demotion as if play caller is some kind of honored thing. It's a duty and a part of coaching. Even if you do not call plays you are involved in the game plan, and trust me if a coach at any level sees something and offers it, it is still the Head Coach who gives the final go ahead assent to use it. That is less input? Do you really not know this stuff? Maybe you don't know what game day preparations are? I'm beyond stumped at how you cannot grasp how wrong you are. Let me put it this way, if wrong were an inch, you're over a mile.
 

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Oh, he likes the Cowboys organization and can coach freely, however he wants? More irrelevant tangents that have nothing to do with the issue at hand..
The issue at hand appears to be your complete lack of grasp of coaching functions, pecking order, and input into the day to day machinations of how a game ends up being played. You apparently think the headset on Garrett's head is pumping Bruce Springsteen and he has no input at all into Offense, Defense, or Special Teams. That is the laughable issue at hand.
 

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Jason should have definitely been considered. He did a great job last season & I NEVER thought I would say that but he really had the team playing at a very high level.
 

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Mike, let's be real. You live 2 hours away from the Cardinals. Your over-the-top love for Garrett is one thing but you can't expect people to take you serious when you say things like this. Through both of my jobs, I've had the pleasure of meeting and talking to guys like Larry Fitzgerald, Tyrann Mathieu, Deone Bucannan, as well as Cardinals coaches Nick Rapone, Kevin Garver, and Kevin Ross. They all LOVE Arians and can't stop talking about him.

To be fair, I know one Cowboy player, one ex-player, and another Cowboy employee who can't stop gushing about Garrett. I expect players to say great things about their current coaches.

Garrett was in the top 3 voting and even though I would have never thought so a year ago, absolutely deserved to be there. Arians absolutely deserved to win the COY. No travesty here. Besides, Garrett should be in the running next year.... it's a process.
Scott Linehan...

"The way I look at it is I think our team's got a special run going right now," Linehan said. "It has nothing to do with me or anybody individually. It has everything to do with how we've built this thing and how we do things together. I'm just really proud of Jason [Garrett], how he's led our team, and how our team has responded, how our guys have played. It's pretty special. We've got work to do. We've got to get back on that horse here and get ready for the next one."

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4739314/scott-linehan-head-coaching-jobs-can-wait

Rod Marinelli...

Marinelli cited the Jones family, coach Jason Garrett and the players as the top reasons why he chose to remain in Dallas with a three-year deal.

“I just love it here,” Marinelli said as he checked into his hotel at the Pro Bowl on Tuesday. “I love football and this place, it just reeks with tradition and winning and wanting to win, wanting to be the very, very best. I think that’s as exciting as anything.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/pos...cowboys-was-never-an-option-for-rod-marinelli

Jerry Jones...

5 years $30 million.

NFL....
2014 Coach of the Year, Bruce Arians

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...cardinals-bruce-arians-wins-coach-of-the-year

by 36.5 votes....
 

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I suppose you think this means something, but it doesn't to me. Not one damned thing.

He asked for quotes. I gave him quotes. It's really just that simple.

That vote...is stupid. Period. I like Bruce Arians. I'm the guy who defended him when the Steelers owner announced his retirement. Great Coach. Did not deserve this award IMO, and the voters were stupid. He was not in my top 3. If Doug Marrone wins it over Garrett, I probably have no issue with it.
 

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You keep calling it a demotion as if play caller is some kind of honored thing. It's a duty and a part of coaching. Even if you do not call plays you are involved in the game plan, and trust me if a coach at any level sees something and offers it, it is still the Head Coach who gives the final go ahead assent to use it. That is less input? Do you really not know this stuff? Maybe you don't know what game day preparations are? I'm beyond stumped at how you cannot grasp how wrong you are. Let me put it this way, if wrong were an inch, you're over a mile.

So essentially you acknowledge Garrett was demoted as a play-caller. And his Coach of the Year effectively was because of a reduced role, as per Jerry himself. Unlike Arians who has more of an influence over the organization than Jason does over the Cowboys? And that an injury to their starting QB is a valid excuse for a deterioration in play, like Weeden was for us when Romo was injured?
 

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So essentially you acknowledge Garrett was demoted as a play-caller. And his Coach of the Year effectively was because of a reduced role, as per Jerry himself. Unlike Arians who has more of an influence over the organization than Jason does over the Cowboys? And that an injury to their starting QB is a valid excuse for a deterioration in play, like Weeden was for us when Romo was injured?

So then Jimmy was not a very good coach either, did not call the plays
 

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So essentially you acknowledge Garrett was demoted as a play-caller. And his Coach of the Year effectively was because of a reduced role, as per Jerry himself. Unlike Arians who has more of an influence over the organization than Jason does over the Cowboys? And that an injury to their starting QB is a valid excuse for a deterioration in play, like Weeden was for us when Romo was injured?
No, I essentially don't see play caller as some kind of badge of honor. There is no reduced role. He increased his time working with the Defense. It cracks me up that you think Arians has a greater role than Garrett when it is Garrett who has instituted a complete change in Draft strategy, Free Agent strategy, team focus, discipline, and accountability.

The only thing I agree with is that QB injuries hurt them. The EXACT same way DL and LB injuries in 2012 and 2013 hurt us. I don't see it as an excuse at all, it is a reason.

It doesn't change a thing. AZ was a 10-6 team last year, improved 1 game this year, wouldn't have beaten Seattle in either game, even with Carson Palmer, didn't win their division. 1 game. Post season loss to a sub .500 team. From a team that was bragging about hosting the Super Bowl for the first time ever. Arians told his team, "Don't let anyone use your locker in February." I don't know whether Seattle or New England did, but someone did and expectations fell way short.

Not worthy of the honor IMO. Doug Marrone winning over Garrett wouldn't have bothered me. Plus I think it would have made his leaving the Buffalo job even funnier.
 

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Sean Payton must have been "demoted" too. ~rolleyes~

I have to admit I have never heard the term demoted when it comes to HC. I think even Jason has come to the conclusion that it is better for him and the team to be the HC of the entire team instead of HC\OC. No doubt Jerry wanted Callahan calling plays in 2013 and that lasted until about mid way when Garrett took that over because he was not happy with the job Callahan was doing in terms of play calling. 2014 sees Dallas and Jason bring in a OC whom Jason knows and trust to run the offense. In my view that pretty much puts to rest the notion that Garrett is some puppet for Jerry or some yes man.
 

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No, I essentially don't see play caller as some kind of badge of honor. There is no reduced role. He increased his time working with the Defense. It cracks me up that you think Arians has a greater role than Garrett when it is Garrett who has instituted a complete change in Draft strategy, Free Agent strategy, team focus, discipline, and accountability.

The only thing I agree with is that QB injuries hurt them. The EXACT same way DL and LB injuries in 2012 and 2013 hurt us. I don't see it as an excuse at all, it is a reason.

It doesn't change a thing. AZ was a 10-6 team last year, improved 1 game this year, wouldn't have beaten Seattle in either game, even with Carson Palmer, didn't win their division. 1 game. Post season loss to a sub .500 team. From a team that was bragging about hosting the Super Bowl for the first time ever. Arians told his team, "Don't let anyone use your locker in February." I don't know whether Seattle or New England did, but someone did and expectations fell way short.

Not worthy of the honor IMO. Doug Marrone winning over Garrett wouldn't have bothered me. Plus I think it would have made his leaving the Buffalo job even funnier.

LOL.. When Garrett is allegedly hired for his brilliant offensive mind and Jerry gives him free reign during Wade's year for specifically this, I would argue it is so. I mean that's the reason he was essentially hired in the first place. Now suddenly, it means nothing that he failed in it and we wasted Romo's best years because Garrett sucked at play-calling.

And what changes is that that Jason brought? They draft BPA and always have. They fill need via free agency, per Garrett's own words. He said this specifically prior to Dallas drafting Claiborne, and paying Carr millions. They even had Floyd on the board the following year and Jerry Jones over-ruled them last minute. And this was confirmed by Stephen Jones essentially.

We all know Jason is here in the first place because of father Garrett, whose been in personnel himself since at least 1997 or a major influencing factor. The same son who essentially followed his father around wherever he went. There is no change in philosophy because of Jason specifically, like one is trying to spin. Even the change to 4-3 was Lacewell, per his own words. And him bringing Kiffen here was his influence and Marinelli coming hear was because of Kiffen.

And because you say so, we should believe Arizona wouldn't have beaten Seattle with Palmer or wouldn't have made noise in the play-offs? OK...

It's like Jerry said. Jason has that specific quality of dealing with ambiguity.

And I still wouldn't have cared if he was given Coach of the Year. We all know the reason why this team went from 8-8 to 12-4 in the end...
 
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