The Walking Dead (S5) - 2nd half of season thread ***Spoilers***

[SuspectCorner]

What the hey - Michonne clocks Rick right in the middle of a perfectly aimed rant!?! I had Michonne in the very top-tier of the 'team Rick Grimes' leadership hierarchy - but she just fell several pegs.

Now, Sasha - THAT girl is on the rise.

 

[speedkilz88]

I think Sasha is going to get people killed.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I didn't think the fight sequence was all that.

The one between Rick and Shane over the "What to do with Randall" was much better.

 

[CowboyGil]

What's with the 'W's on the foreheads? Now Rick knows how Shane felt-getting crucified for doing what he felt needed to be done. And Sasha just out wasting precious ammo. Blood will be spilled in the season finale. And not just walker blood.

 

[Aikmaniac]

Rick is absolutely correct, but they made him seem way too crazy, and there would have been a better way to bring that up.

Exactly. I'm still wondering how the writers wanted us to feel on that one. Is Rick losing it again or has everyone else lost sight of what the present world is? Soooo many questions needing answers during the finale.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The episode was okay. I enjoyed it well enough.

I like what they're setting up and where they're going.

A couple of things that stick out for me...

1) Sasha will get someone killed. She's an idiot. Someone will die because of his stupidity and her stupid attitude.

2) I like that Rick struggled between doing what's right and how to do it exactly. You could see some of the old Rick who doesn't want to have to go to the extreme of things.

3) I was LOVING Rick's rant and how things would be but I too agree that they sort of made him look too crazy at the moment and it's going to be hard for them to accept.

4) I was very disappointed that Michoine was the one who clocked him. That drops her a bit in my eyes.

5) I think the final episode is going to go where the vast majority of it will be the whole town, even Rick's own people, thinking Rick is wrong for the place and that he was out of line and then you're going to get the introduction of true evil, who kills someone very important to the group, and people are going to realize that Rick was right and they're going to end the season with them once again looking to him for what to do.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

What's with the 'W's on the foreheads? Now Rick knows how Shane felt-getting crucified for doing what he felt needed to be done. And Sasha just out wasting precious ammo. Blood will be spilled in the season finale. And not just walker blood.

Well, we know there's at least one other group lurking in the area.

The trouble is with Rick's decision making is that in the confines of the village, making snap decisions on who lives and who dies isn't going to work as well as out in the wild. It's not that Rick is evil, it's that he needs to check-himself. Like him or dislike him, wife-beater or not, Peter still has a wife and kids and snuffing him out isn't necessarily the best thing (even if it is the right thing) do take upon himself.

Sasha is just nuts at this point and needs to hit the reset button.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

4) I was very disappointed that Michoine was the one who clocked him. That drops her a bit in my eyes.

5) I think the final episode is going to go where the vast majority of it will be the whole town, even Rick's own people, thinking Rick is wrong for the place and that he was out of line and then you're going to get the introduction of true evil, who kills someone very important to the group, and people are going to realize that Rick was right and they're going to end the season with them once again looking to him for what to do.

I didn't have any problems with what Michonne did.

She was doing her job. Rick was out of control. And she knew he was headed for something even worse than a bloody fight.

I think without a doubt a vicious killing in the final will shake up everyone.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Exactly. I'm still wondering how the writers wanted us to feel on that one. Is Rick losing it again or has everyone else lost sight of what the present world is? Soooo many questions needing answers during the finale.

I think what we're going to find is that some of the people are forgetting, like Michoine who seems to be settling in and scared to have anything thrust her back into the world she's been in for so long.

Then you'll have people who are just plain losing it like Sasha with her reckless behavior that will get herself and/or someone else killed at some point.

You have the people who are struggling to understand that there is still things, and people, out there who will absolutely come and take all they have if they get comfortable and complacent.

And on top of all those people you have Rick whose struggling with the fact that he knows, and accepts, that you simply can not live the way you once lived. He realizes you can't go back to a completely civilized environment because in this world any sort of relaxing, getting comfortable, or lax behavior can lead to your downfall.

The conversation he had with Deanna about what to do with the doctor for beating his wife shows you just where Rick is at from a mental standpoint. He's not interested in dealing with people who do bad things, make bad decisions, or who are weak.

He's also conflicted because he's obviously got feelings for the wife and it's causing him to maybe act more rashly than he obviously normally would.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I didn't have any problems with what Michonne did.

She was doing her job. Rick was out of control. And she knew he was headed for something even worse than a bloody fight.

I think without a doubt a vicious killing in the final will shake up everyone.

Yeah I get that.

I just didn't think she'd be the one. I really felt like it was more about the fear of him ruining staying in the place rather than doing her job, to be quite honest.

I do get a bit of the vibe that Rick is starting to have a lot of the same feel of Shane. He now wants another mans wife (Although admittedly not his best friends wife), he knows the struggle of being out there with the zombies and more importantly the horrible people and how you have to be strong, and at times ruthless, to keep anyone from destroying what you've got.

It's a pretty interesting change from where Rick started. If you think back to the farm the old Rick would have been saying "Their place, their rules" just like he would say his land his rules. And Shane would argue that they should just take it over.

Now Rick is the guy saying they have their rules but we don't follow those rules, and they don't apply to us. He's quite literally stepped into the role that Shane was once filling.

 

[jrumann59]

Small allusion, one of the Townies mentioned, I think Aaron, "There are more roamers then there used to be", makes you wonder maybe someone is funneling them in. I hope they go in depth on the "W" and not some half *** reveal. Also the dismembering of the walkers and the purpose.

Ricks speech sounded a lot the Governor's

 

[CowboyGil]

Well, at least Carol, and hopefully Daryl when he gets back will have Rick's back. Like BHF said, Michonne is just afraid that Rick is going to ruin her good thing. As for the rest of the group, who knows? If anybody would side with Rick, I would say Abraham. Seems like Glenn is kind of becoming what Rick used to be.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Small allusion, one of the Townies mentioned, I think Aaron, "There are more roamers then there used to be", makes you wonder maybe someone is funneling them in. I hope they go in depth on the "W" and not some half *** reveal. Also the dismembering of the walkers and the purpose.

Ricks speech sounded a lot the Governor's

You will see what the W's are for I believe in the finale.

I was thinking the whole season they'd introduce the Negan character but I don't believe that will happen yet. With the way this is going what I think is going to happen is this.

The town is going to consider removing Rick. While he's in trouble Jesse will kick Pete out of their house and you won't see him all episode. At some point they're going to be gathered for something, possibly the discussion of removing Rick from the community and Pete is going to show up to try and kill Rick (Who they haven't yet kicked out). Deanna, or her Husband, is going to try and stop this from happening, cause they don't want the violence or whatever, and Pete is going to wind up killing whichever one it is. Right now I'm thinking her Husband. which will finally cause Deanna to give Rick the authority to take Pete out.

Also at this time this is when they're going to be attacked by a raiding group. I believe they're going to be referred to as The Wolves, which has been a rumor all season long, and they're basically going to be the people who replace the bandits known as the DC Scavengers. These will be the people that will explain your W's on the heads of their victim's. I do believe that they're funneling the zombies to the area because they want them to be a distraction so they can raid the community as well. As you could tell from the episode they obviously use live bait to lure in Zombies (The woman tied to the tree and eaten alive).

They will make their attack on Alexandria and attempt to take it over and take what's there. The people, led by Rick, will stop this from happening and this will lead to Rick becoming the leader of what will become known as the Alexandria Safe Zone. They might end the episode with the attack and next season you'll find that they held them off and Rick is now the leader, proving he needed to be in that place after all this.

I'm thinking the episode will actually end after they hold off the attack, which is why they extended the episode to 90 minutes so that you can see them fend them off and it will end with people wondering if Rick will not be the defacto leader, which you'll learn at the start of next season that he in fact was made the leader because of all this.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Well, at least Carol, and hopefully Daryl when he gets back will have Rick's back. Like BHF said, Michonne is just afraid that Rick is going to ruin her good thing. As for the rest of the group, who knows? If anybody would side with Rick, I would say Abraham. Seems like Glenn is kind of becoming what Rick used to be.

The people who I think will clearly stand with Rick are Abraham, Carol, Carl, Daryl, and possibly Sasha and the woman with Abraham. I think Michonne, Glenn, and Maggie (along with Gabriel obviously) are not going to be with Rick on this.

 

[jrumann59]

You will see what the W's are for I believe in the finale.

I was thinking the whole season they'd introduce the Negan character but I don't believe that will happen yet. With the way this is going what I think is going to happen is this.

The town is going to consider removing Rick. While he's in trouble Jesse will kick Pete out of their house and you won't see him all episode. At some point they're going to be gathered for something, possibly the discussion of removing Rick from the community and Pete is going to show up to try and kill Rick (Who they haven't yet kicked out). Deanna, or her Husband, is going to try and stop this from happening, cause they don't want the violence or whatever, and Pete is going to wind up killing whichever one it is. Right now I'm thinking her Husband. which will finally cause Deanna to give Rick the authority to take Pete out.

Also at this time this is when they're going to be attacked by a raiding group. I believe they're going to be referred to as The Wolves, which has been a rumor all season long, and they're basically going to be the people who replace the bandits known as the DC Scavengers. These will be the people that will explain your W's on the heads of their victim's. I do believe that they're funneling the zombies to the area because they want them to be a distraction so they can raid the community as well. As you could tell from the episode they obviously use live bait to lure in Zombies (The woman tied to the tree and eaten alive).

They will make their attack on Alexandria and attempt to take it over and take what's there. The people, led by Rick, will stop this from happening and this will lead to Rick becoming the leader of what will become known as the Alexandria Safe Zone. They might end the episode with the attack and next season you'll find that they held them off and Rick is now the leader, proving he needed to be in that place after all this.

I'm thinking the episode will actually end after they hold off the attack, which is why they extended the episode to 90 minutes so that you can see them fend them off and it will end with people wondering if Rick will not be the defacto leader, which you'll learn at the start of next season that he in fact was made the leader because of all this.

I haven't read the last few issues of the comic but where I left off there was group that "dressed" up as zombies and seemed formidable. They haven't stuck to too many things timeline wise from the comics so i could see that group being introduced first the would explain the need for zombie parts.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I haven't read the last few issues of the comic but where I left off there was group that "dressed" up as zombies and seemed formidable. They haven't stuck to too many things timeline wise from the comics so i could see that group being introduced first the would explain the need for zombie parts.

Right I believe that was the DC group that did that but my memory of just who did that is a little hazy.

The reason I think the Wolves are taking that role is because this particular season they have seemed to put a lot of stuff in line with the comic. Even with the priest going and saying Rick and his people weren't good people. That takes place in the comics as well although it's not really a big part of a storyline or pushed necessarily in the way that it's pretty clear that they're going to for the end of this season.

That's why I believe it's heading to this particular lead up. I had initially thought they'd skip the DC group and go right to the part with Negan to end this season but it does seem like they're not going to cut the DC group out, which is good as far as I'm concerned.

 

[speedkilz88]

I'm surprised that Rick never threw into Deanna's face that she brought him in to be the constable and he was only doing what he's suppose to be doing. It would have been a lot better argument than killing the doctor.

 

[Stryker44]

Wasn't Shane the one that beat Carol's husband senseless? Interesting to see the parallel with him and Rick.

I liked Shane's character - wish they hadn't killed him off. He brought discipline and order to the group.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Wasn't Shane the one that beat Carol's husband senseless? Interesting to see the parallel with him and Rick.

I liked Shane's character - wish they hadn't killed him off. He brought discipline and order to the group.

Yes he did that.

He partially did that though because he was pissed off that Lori had just told him to stay away from her and her son because she was angry and believed that he had lied to her about Rick being dead.

So he was already pissed off that she had just went off on him, he had lost her for good to the fact that Rick had returned, and then Ed smacked Carol and it just set him completely off.

On a personal note it was one of the very few times where the Shane character did something that genuinely made me like him for a moment, even if the reasoning he did it for wasn't completely pure.

 

[Keifer]

I didn't think the fight sequence was all that.

The one between Rick and Shane over the "What to do with Randall" was much better.

For being such a bad dude Rick sure gets his butt kicked a lot. I thought at least he wouldn't have much trouble with a drunk doctor and not only did the doctor give him all he could handle then he got knocked out by a chick. (But to be fair Michonne is pretty much the Rhonda Rousey of the zombie world)