La'el Collins Thread - Cleared post 767; visited Cowboys - 05/06/15

[Nightman]

Apparently Rex Ryan's visit is okay because it was at a restaurant. Only the campus and home are off limits.

The actual rule is that they can't meet with him at his residence or on campus. I'm sure they can still meet with him at an agents office or at team facilities.

Thanks, what a weird rule either way

 

[AzorAhai]

3rd round is way too risky for a player who might not be able to play for you.

And what are the odds at 91 any player becomes a significant contributor on the team? I would say 50-50 at best. The risks are inherently the same whether you took Collins or another player rated as a late 3rd, one just has the potential to be a PR problem. If he is cleared of that charge though, you got an incredible bargain. If not, you lose a late 3rd. I don't see the risks out weighing the rewards at 91 and didn't think it was particularly close.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you can get Collins at that rookie deal you do it. That of course assumes he isn't indicted for murder. We have room on the roster even with the two OL we drafted. He pushes out Weems or Wetzel. OH NOES!

If he can win a starting job then that is gravy but depth is important.

 

[Galian Beast]

And what are the odds at 91 any player becomes a significant contributor on the team? I would say 50-50 at best. The risks are inherently the same whether you took Collins or another player rated as a late 3rd, one just has the potential to be a PR problem. If he is cleared of that charge though, you got an incredible bargain. If not, you lose a late 3rd. I don't see the risks out weighing the rewards at 91 and didn't think it was particularly close.

Except you're only taking into account part of the risk. There is still the regular risk involved with taking any player and him not working out. Now you add a potential criminal investigation and possible charges.... that is a tough sell for a 3rd round draft pick.

 

[AzorAhai]

Except you're only taking into account part of the risk. There is still the regular risk involved with taking any player and him not working out. Now you add a potential criminal investigation and possible charges.... that is a tough sell for a 3rd round draft pick.

That doesn't factor in the bust potential for any player, but from every thing that was being reported I think the probability he had anything to do with it was lower than 50% also. It seemed to me teams were afraid of the seemingly small chance he had something to do with it and weren't prepared to take the risk. Objectively, I would say the odds he's cleared and is productive may be better than 50-50, but even at those odds I would have taken the risk.

 

[casmith07]

The fact that Collins remains unsigned is significant, to me.

 

[speedkilz88]

The fact that Collins remains unsigned is significant, to me.

I think teams will at least want to wait for the paternity test.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Mens and humans, there is way too mush hangwringing and teef nashing over what appear to be journeyman material with baggage.
Ax yourself if he is all Iron Man ands stuff why did over 30 teams pass on him? Hey, he is no Gerald Christian. Because of his baggage he cant focus and probably never will.

 

[casmith07]

I think teams will at least want to wait for the paternity test.

Why? What would that change in this situation?

 

[darthseinfeld]

Mens and humans, there is way too mush hangwringing and teef nashing over what appear to be journeyman material with baggage.
Ax yourself if he is all Iron Man ands stuff why did over 30 teams pass on him? Hey, he is no Gerald Christian. Because of his baggage he cant focus and probably never will.

Journeyman? Dude would have been a top 15 pick

 

[Galian Beast]

That doesn't factor in the bust potential for any player, but from every thing that was being reported I think the probability he had anything to do with it was lower than 50% also. It seemed to me teams were afraid of the seemingly small chance he had something to do with it and weren't prepared to take the risk. Objectively, I would say the odds he's cleared and is productive may be better than 50-50, but even at those odds I would have taken the risk.

It's about opportunity cost.

On one hand you have a player who is on your board for the 3rd round but without the risk involved with Collins

On the other hand you have Collins, who wasn't even on everyone's board for the 1st round based on merit alone. Some people had him in the 2nd round. So you have to ask yourself what makes more sense relative to risk and reward. A player who is in the 3rd round who will play for you or a player in the 1st or maybe 2nd round (but falls to the 3rd round) who potentially might never play for you.

 

[speedkilz88]

Why? What would that change in this situation?

Remove (the most likely) motive of having it done.

 

[AzorAhai]

It's about opportunity cost.

On one hand you have a player who is on your board for the 3rd round but without the risk involved with Collins

On the other hand you have Collins, who wasn't even on everyone's board for the 1st round based on merit alone. Some people had him in the 2nd round. So you have to ask yourself what makes more sense relative to risk and reward. A player who is in the 3rd round who will play for you or a player in the 1st or maybe 2nd round (but falls to the 3rd round) who potentially might never play for you.

That comes down to where he was graded by the team. I personally had him as the top OG and 8 overall. At 91 I would take the risk every time with him. At 91 the odds are against you to find a starter to begin with. If the choices are take a risk on a potential 10 year starter(possible Pro-Bowl level)/0 game starter or a developmental(possible starter)/backup I take that risk. I understand why some wouldn't but I would have. It's not like this is a common occurrence so a one time risk like this isn't going to be too damming even if he doesn't ever play.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Journeyman? Dude would have been a top 15 pick

With his mindset off a . . . living on the edge kind of guy. If you cant understand that I will get that TV head doctor to call you. the baggage make him weak like shia lebouf.
Hey, I am listening to zooey dechannel sing On The Island so I am in a good mood so be free to be oppositional and stuff.laters

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I think teams will at least want to wait for the paternity test.

and possibly ballistics. sorry i could not resist my big brains keeps gifting me ideas.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

At any rate La'el is a tight name.

 

[AzorAhai]

With his mindset off a . . . living on the edge kind of guy. If you cant understand that I will get that TV head doctor to call you. the baggage make him weak like shia lebouf.
Hey, I am listening to zooey dechannel sing On The Island so I am in a good mood so be free to be oppositional and stuff.laters

How does an associate he hasn't seen in 6 months getting murdered mean he lives on the edge or is a headcase? Every single report says exactly the opposite of what you're selling. You're making completely erroneous statements and treating them like fact.

 

[ConstantReboot]

The Cowboys would have benefited if we took a risk on him in the 7th round. Sure he might want to go back into next years draft. But that in itself is a risk as well not knowing how the draft will play out. By selecting him in the 7th that would have eliminated the other teams from contention plus it would give him time to really consider whether it would be worth playing for a superbowl with the Cowboys.

 

[ConstantReboot]

At any rate La'el is a tight name.

La'el, son of Jorel from the planet Krypton. I like it.

 

[jterrell]

Thanks, what a weird rule either way

That's not true. They can NOT meet at the team's facilities.
That's why rookies whose classes are still taking finals can not attend OTAs.

They can meet out in a public setting.
That's why the agent posted they aren't meeting with teams at this time and the majority of the contact has been via players.

LSU testing ends May 9th.