La'el Collins Thread - Cleared post 767; visited Cowboys - 05/06/15

[jterrell]

The Cowboys would have benefited if we took a risk on him in the 7th round. Sure he might want to go back into next years draft. But that in itself is a risk as well not knowing how the draft will play out. By selecting him in the 7th that would have eliminated the other teams from contention plus it would give him time to really consider whether it would be worth playing for a superbowl with the Cowboys.

likely not.
Green could have simply refused all contact with the team and set about entering next year's draft.
He could have taken out loans based upon R1 draft grades that paid a lot more than what he'd make as a 3-7 round rookie.

No team took that chance because it wasn't likely to pan out and more than likely would have been egg in the face of that team who'd be blasted for taking advantage of a murder to get talent on the cheap.

 

[ConstantReboot]

likely not.
Green could have simply refused all contact with the team and set about entering next year's draft.
He could have taken out loans based upon R1 draft grades that paid a lot more than what he'd make as a 3-7 round rookie.

No team took that chance because it wasn't likely to pan out and more than likely would have been egg in the face of that team who'd be blasted for taking advantage of a murder to get talent on the cheap.

I do agree.

However the Cowboys team is a special case. He will be joining possibly the best oline in pro football. With him on board we are elite. Since two of our players are FA next year, he will be given a chance to start.

Secondly, we are one of the few teams that is closer of getting into the Superbowl. By going back into the draft next season, there is a high probability he will end up with a team that is mediocre and highly unlikely to go all the way.

Third, Dallas is a top notch organization with great coaches and an owner that highly values his players.

Last but not least, were talking about the Dallas Cowboys - America's team.

I do believe he might just decide to hit the draft next year if money for him is a priority. But the Cowboys as an organization has much more to offer than any other team besides just money alone. Therefore, there would have been a chance albeit small that he might opt to sign with us as a 7th rounder.

 

[Alexander]

likely not.
Green could have simply refused all contact with the team and set about entering next year's draft.
He could have taken out loans based upon R1 draft grades that paid a lot more than what he'd make as a 3-7 round rookie.

I think it was not likely he sat out. He actually has it pretty decent now. He can re-negotiate sooner and by his fourth year in the league, he could be earning what a 1st round pick would be via RFA tender. It will be a little delayed, but he is much better off going this route than being picked. Plus he gets to choose his team.

 

[CooterBrown]

My thoughts on this guy: his agent screwed him badly. By announcing during the draft that he would not sign a contract if he didn't go in the first two rounds, and would then enter next years draft, he chased away anyone who might have taken a Late round risk. And, because teams wouldn't throw away a draft pick on someone who already said he wouldn't sign, he didn't get drafted. And because he didn't get drafted, he is not eligible for next years draft. His agent should have encouraged teams to draft him late just to maintain his draft eligibility for next draft, spent a year getting him in optimum condition, get his legal stuff cleared, and netted millions as a first round pick. I can see this guy suing his agent.

 

[jterrell]

Green would have very likely sat out if drafted after the first couple rounds just as his agent suggested.

Financially he would have had no issues getting loans that paid more than his rookie salary.
Going undrafted was better than being selected late which is why his agent scared teams off drafting him.
32 teams agreed.

The best case for Green was a return to the draft and R1 selection in 2016. R1 selections make a fortune day 1. All other rookies fights for scraps.

Dallas is not a special case. There are 32 NFL teams and each is tremendous in what it offers. Dallas has a lot more weighing against it in recruiting Green or had it drafted him, talking him into signing than most teams.
They have only one starting FA next year along the OL in Ron Leary, return 6 of the top 7 this year including all 5 starters from arguably the best OL in football and have two of the best players at their position coming up for contract renewals/extensions in the next 2-3 years.

La'el Collins is an elite prospect who will go somewhere else and likely have an impact then make his money in 3 years.
He'll get a maxed out rookie bonus and the majority if not all his deal guaranteed.
He can literally pick his team and situation.

His agent is drawing up a plan that includes all-rookie team this year, pro bowl next then early renegotiation that gives him R1 tender money.

 

[jterrell]

My thoughts on this guy: his agent screwed him badly. By announcing during the draft that he would not sign a contract if he didn't go in the first two rounds, and would then enter next years draft, he chased away anyone who might have taken a Late round risk. And, because teams wouldn't throw away a draft pick on someone who already said he wouldn't sign, he didn't get drafted. And because he didn't get drafted, he is not eligible for next years draft. His agent should have encouraged teams to draft him late just to maintain his draft eligibility for next draft, spent a year getting him in optimum condition, get his legal stuff cleared, and netted millions as a first round pick. I can see this guy suing his agent.

Stop.
Green is in a good spot and he was up front and honest about his intentions to get there.

As an employer you respect that and he is being chased currently by virtually every team in football which tells you all you need to know about his value.

He has come out of this just fine so far and could be in the top 10 in total earnings 4-5 years from now. He only HAS to play for cheap for 2 seasons. And those two seasons are likely fully guaranteed and include a full 80k signing bonus.

 

[Stash]

I think the Cowboys provide a great example of where to go in order to have clear and early success. Tyron Smith became a Pro Bowl fixture in his third year, paving the way for Fredrick to make the Pro Bowl in his second year, with Zack Martin earning those honors in his very first year.

But yeah, who would want any part of that?

 

[tyke1doe]

Stop.
Green is in a good spot and he was up front and honest about his intentions to get there.

As an employer you respect that and he is being chased currently by virtually every team in football which tells you all you need to know about his value.

He has come out of this just fine so far and could be in the top 10 in total earnings 4-5 years from now. He only HAS to play for cheap for 2 seasons. And those two seasons are likely fully guaranteed and include a full 80k signing bonus.

Actually, I agree with him.

He may have been honest. But it hurt him. And, yes, he may hit it big four or five years from now, but he'll never make up the money he will lose because of this incident.

Though there's no way to prove it, I believe had he kept his mouth shut, Collins would be on someone's team today, maybe as a fifth or lower pick. But because he announced his intentions, I have no doubts (although, again, I can't prove this) that teams passed on him and decided to wait until he's cleared before they negotiate with him. And that's evident, IMO, based on the interest he's now getting from more than a few clubs.

Being honest doesn't mean you have to reveal EVERYTHING.

 

[speedkilz88]

I think the Cowboys provide a great example of where to go in order to have clear and early success. Tyron Smith became a Pro Bowl fixture in his third year, paving the way for Fredrick to make the Pro Bowl in his second year, with Zack Martin earning those honors in his very first year.

But yeah, who would want any part of that?

If you were an OL with 1st round ability would you be scared of competition with Doug Free? I still can't get over that one.

 

[tyke1doe]

And we're talking about Collins and not Green, right?

 

[Tabascocat]

And we're talking about Collins and not Green, right?

confused me too

 

[Stash]

If you were an OL with 1st round ability would you be scared of competition with Doug Free? I still can't get over that one.

I wouldn't be afraid of either Free or Leary!

But I would look forward to playing on the league's best offensive line, along with 3 young Pro Bowlers.

And I would look forward to playing for arguably the league's most high visibility team.

That went 12-4 last year.

As a part of arguably the league's most-talented offense.

I don't see how Dallas would not be considered one of, if not the, premier landing spot.

 

[Stash]

And we're talking about Collins and not Green, right?

Please stop.

Everything about that post was accurate and perfect.

What part of logic do you fail to understand?

 

[jterrell]

Actually, I agree with him.

He may have been honest. But it hurt him. And, yes, he may hit it big four or five years from now, but he'll never make up the money he will lose because of this incident.

Though there's no way to prove it, I believe had he kept his mouth shut, Collins would be on someone's team today, maybe as a fifth or lower pick. But because he announced his intentions, I have no doubts (although, again, I can't prove this) that teams passed on him and decided to wait until he's cleared before they negotiate with him. And that's evident, IMO, based on the interest he's now getting from more than a few clubs.

Being honest doesn't mean you have to reveal EVERYTHING.

The dude was RECALLED from NY by the police in a murder investigation which was gonna be released regardless.
The agent had to explain why.
No team was going to spend a high pick on the guy with any slight possibliity of this being a Rae Carruth issue.
Collins was hosed by timing and circumstance not his agent.

Short of a team drafting him in the first two rounds he got the best possible situation for himself.

In fact the guy who got most financially hosed may well the be agent. He makes 3% of what was at one time thought to be 12m or so over 3 years before any extension or other escalators.
Now he has to keep Collins happy to see even a fraction of that money.

La'el gets to pick his team and has every team competing for him.

 

[jterrell]

Please stop.

Everything about that post was accurate and perfect.

What part of logic do you fail to understand?

Homers gonna homer.

 

[DBOY3141]

Looks like Dolphins, Bills, Panthers, Eagles and Bucs are the one's actively going after him.

 

[Galian Beast]

Cooter is absolutely correct. There was nothing gained by publicly stating he wouldn't play for the team that drafted him after the 3rd round. That might have even caused him to miss the 2nd or 3rd round in the first place. That was really foolish of the agent assuming it was his call in the first place.

He should have kept his mouth shut and just announced after the draft that he wasn't going to play.

Perhaps the agent didn't know the league rules... which might be cause for Collins to sue him.

 

[DFWJC]

My thoughts on this guy: his agent screwed him badly. By announcing during the draft that he would not sign a contract if he didn't go in the first two rounds, and would then enter next years draft, he chased away anyone who might have taken a Late round risk. And, because teams wouldn't throw away a draft pick on someone who already said he wouldn't sign, he didn't get drafted. And because he didn't get drafted, he is not eligible for next years draft. His agent should have encouraged teams to draft him late just to maintain his draft eligibility for next draft, spent a year getting him in optimum condition, get his legal stuff cleared, and netted millions as a first round pick. I can see this guy suing his agent.

It's not nearly as bad as you think.
After two years (if he performs) he can now have a chance at a huge salary--much higher than a 1st round pick. he loses one year entirely if he waits until next year...so the wait is really one year and that is more than mitigated by getting to have a new contract extension 2 years earlier.

 

[Risen Star]

I think the Cowboys provide a great example of where to go in order to have clear and early success. Tyron Smith became a Pro Bowl fixture in his third year, paving the way for Fredrick to make the Pro Bowl in his second year, with Zack Martin earning those honors in his very first year.

But yeah, who would want any part of that?

He's not about to come here and be buried in the depth chart behind Doug Free and Ronald Leary.

 

[jterrell]

Cooter is absolutely correct. There was nothing gained by publicly stating he wouldn't play for the team that drafted him after the 3rd round. That might have even caused him to miss the 2nd or 3rd round in the first place. That was really foolish of the agent assuming it was his call in the first place.

He should have kept his mouth shut and just announced after the draft that he wasn't going to play.

Perhaps the agent didn't know the league rules... which might be cause for Collins to sue him.

good lord.

the agent didn't know the league rules ??
he told the teams he not only knew the rules he was planning to use them to his client's advantage by sitting out if selected after day 2.
he didn't tell teams this in round 1... because duh the draft occurs over multiple days.

again to be clear, Collins got what he wanted.
free agency.
he isn't suing anyone and couldn't if he wanted to.
he was under contract to the agent to make those decision and act on his behalf which he clearly did.

please stop posting dumb things.
makes us look like an eagles board with an aggregate iq of about 50.