La'el Collins Thread - Cleared post 767; visited Cowboys - 05/06/15

[irishline]

Please stop.

Everything about that post was accurate and perfect.

What part of logic do you fail to understand?

Yeah accurate and perfect... except the name. There's logic.

Kind of hard to state everything is accurate and perfect with that post when the first line doesn't accurately use the correct name.

While I understood what he was talking about, if you don't read all the posts before it in the thread you do not know who/what that was in response to, so I can see their confusion.

 

[DBOY3141]

He's not about to come here and be buried in the depth chart behind Doug Free and Ronald Leary.

Agree. There is a reason they tried to trade back into the 3rd in the 2014 draft to take Trai Turner. For that same reason, I can see them going after Collins. I don't think he comes here, but I don't think it will be because of lack of interest on the Cowboys part.

 

[tyke1doe]

The dude was RECALLED from NY by the police in a murder investigation which was gonna be released regardless.
The agent had to explain why.
No team was going to spend a high pick on the guy with any slight possibliity of this being a Rae Carruth issue.
Collins was hosed by timing and circumstance not his agent.

Short of a team drafting him in the first two rounds he got the best possible situation for himself.

In fact the guy who got most financially hosed may well the be agent. He makes 3% of what was at one time thought to be 12m or so over 3 years before any extension or other escalators.
Now he has to keep Collins happy to see even a fraction of that money.

La'el gets to pick his team and has every team competing for him.

Yes, he made a statement.

No, he didn't have to tell teams if they didn't draft him in the first three rounds, he would go back into the draft.

Furthermore, let's assume he didn't say this, do you think teams would have bypassed him altogether? Every team?
I don't. I think there would have been a team or teams that would have used a throw-away pick on him, say a seventh rounder. Why do I say this? Because teams have used low-round picks who weren't even going to play in the league but did so for contingency purposes. Staubach, Bo Jackson, Herschel Walker, Reggie White, etc., all were selected in lower rounds with the teams choosing them knowing they wouldn't be available - possibly ever.

Granted, Collins situation is different than there's but still, why would you not go ahead and secure his services? Even if it was later proven he is connected with the death of his ex-girlfriend, you simply cut him. No worse the wear.

 

[Stash]

He's not about to come here and be buried in the depth chart behind Doug Free and Ronald Leary.

You're joking, right?

(It doesn't always come across in print)

 

[tyke1doe]

Yeah accurate and perfect... except the name. There's logic.

Kind of hard to state everything is accurate and perfect with that post when the first line doesn't accurately use the correct name.

While I understood what he was talking about, if you don't read all the posts before it in the thread you do not know who/what that was in response to, so I can see their confusion.

Uh, I think Stash was being sarcastic.

 

[DBOY3141]

You're joking, right?

(It doesn't always come across in print)

I read it as, if he comes here he will start before Leary and Free

 

[Galian Beast]

good lord.

the agent didn't know the league rules ??
he told the teams he not only knew the rules he was planning to use them to his client's advantage by sitting out if selected after day 2.
he didn't tell teams this in round 1... because duh the draft occurs over multiple days.

again to be clear, Collins got what he wanted.
free agency.
he isn't suing anyone and couldn't if he wanted to.
he was under contract to the agent to make those decision and act on his behalf which he clearly did.

please stop posting dumb things.
makes us look like an eagles board with an aggregate iq of about 50.

He said that he planned on entering the draft if he was drafted after the 3rd round or if he wasn't drafted at all.... That is not in line with league rules...

The irony....

 

[Galian Beast]

"Collins’s representatives are saying that if he’s not selected in Rounds 2 or 3, he won’t play. If a team drafts him in Round 4 or later, he’ll decline to sign with that team, and he also wouldn’t sign as an undrafted free agent. Instead, Collins would re-enter the 2016 draft."

Sounds like they didn't know the rules to me...

 

[Stash]

Yeah accurate and perfect... except the name. There's logic.

Kind of hard to state everything is accurate and perfect with that post when the first line doesn't accurately use the correct name.

While I understood what he was talking about, if you don't read all the posts before it in the thread you do not know who/what that was in response to, so I can see their confusion.

It was sarcasm.

For a guy who talks like he knows every thing about everything, he can't even get the guy's name right.

 

[robjay04]

I read it as, if he comes here he will start before Leary and Free

He will compete and probably win and be in the best position out of any rookie in the NFL.

 

[Stash]

Uh, I think Stash was being sarcastic.

Yeah, not a lot of appreciation for the self-professed know-it-alls.

 

[JohnsKey19]

The dude was RECALLED from NY by the police in a murder investigation which was gonna be released regardless.
The agent had to explain why.
No team was going to spend a high pick on the guy with any slight possibliity of this being a Rae Carruth issue.
Collins was hosed by timing and circumstance not his agent.

Short of a team drafting him in the first two rounds he got the best possible situation for himself.

In fact the guy who got most financially hosed may well the be agent. He makes 3% of what was at one time thought to be 12m or so over 3 years before any extension or other escalators.
Now he has to keep Collins happy to see even a fraction of that money.

La'el gets to pick his team and has every team competing for him.

Yeah, no team was going to spend a pick on Collins regardless of how far he dropped, with the possibility of this ultimately turning out to be another Rae Carruth situation. I guess that's still a possibility at this point. we won't know for sure until the investigation is complete.

 

[StarBoyz83]

I hope some how we can get him to sign in dallas.

 

[Alexander]

I read it as, if he comes here he will start before Leary and Free

You honestly think they are prepared to say that though? I don't think so.

It would be a hard sell as opposed to another team where he can look at a depth chart and immediately spot the starting opportunity.

 

[Stash]

You honestly think they are prepared to say that though? I don't think so.

It would be a hard sell as opposed to another team where he can look at a depth chart and immediately spot the starting opportunity.

If he's confident in his abilities, where would you rather go?

Adding to a 3 Pro Bowler line, widely regarded as the best in the league?

Or go the 'diamond among trash' route and be looked at as the savior on a bad line?

 

[Galian Beast]

If he's confident in his abilities, where would you rather go?

Adding to a 3 Pro Bowler line, widely regarded as the best in the league?

Or go the 'diamond among trash' route and be looked at as the savior on a bad line?

The latter.

 

[DBOY3141]

You honestly think they are prepared to say that though? I don't think so.

It would be a hard sell as opposed to another team where he can look at a depth chart and immediately spot the starting opportunity.

I don't think they would say it, but I wonder how Leary for example took it last year when they drafted Martin and then SJ says they tried to trade a 3rd in 2015 to get back into the 3rd to take Turner. I think Free's job is more safe because he just signed a deal and Leary is only on a one year deal.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It depends on what he is looking for. If winning is more important, then I think he might look at a team like Dallas if the offer is close. If he's more interested in securing his money in the short term, then he probably goes to the highest bidder.

 

[Alexander]

If he's confident in his abilities, where would you rather go?

Adding to a 3 Pro Bowler line, widely regarded as the best in the league?

Or go the 'diamond among trash' route and be looked at as the savior on a bad line?

He is likely to want to go to a place he can prove himself in the shortest amount of time.

So where is that?

A star studded line with three All Pros and he has to play right tackle or guard or a place where there is an "average" line, he plays the left tackle and he immediately sticks out as one of their best players? And of course that team is prepared to get him 1st round tender pay by the conclusion of his that UDFA contract.

All he is going to want to do is earn a second contract (a good sized one) within three years.

Explain how Dallas makes that possible again?

 

[Stash]

The latter.

OK, but I sure wouldn't.

He starts in Dallas and plays well and he's a virtual lock for the Pro Bowl as a rookie just like Martin was. When offensive lines have success overall, individual accolades quickly follow.