Byron Jones vs. Texans

[erod]

I know it's crazy talk , but what about Dunbar for Tevin Coleman? I know we should be able to get Coleman + a first Rd pick for Dunbar, but maybe if it it's obvious you were fleeced they'd jump on it

LOL.

I say we trade Devin Street for Julio Jones.

 

[Plankton]

I'm sure we can find a few threads with people saying this about Claiborne in the past as well.

About Claiborne being intelligent? Not likely.

Also, not a great comparison. Claiborne was the sixth pick overall, Jones was selected 27th overall. Claiborne was rated as the top corner available in his draft, and in some corners, one of the best seen in quite some time. Jones was not rated as the top corner. Claiborne played in the SEC for his career, and faced top competition on a consistent basis, Jones played in the Big East and American Athletic Conference, not exactly hotbeds for top talent. Claiborne scored poorly on his Wonderlic, Jones scored a 33.

Jones has already participated in more preseason games than Claiborne has in his entire career.

There aren't too many times where a player drafted late in the first round don't require refinement of some kind. At this point, I don't think anyone can make any declaration one way or another as to whether Byron Jones is a bust, a stud draft pick, a solid player or a spare. Not without guessing, at least.

I don't know whether you liked Jones or not when he was picked. For me, I didn't have a problem with the player, but I would have preferred Malcom Brown. I'll also give him more than four preseason games, three of which he saw action in, to determine whether he can play or not.

 

[Supercowboy1986]

What's with the Malcolm brown love here? He was average at Texas (I am a longhorn alum and follow the team somewhat closely) and he has shown to be pretty bad so far in pre season. Yeah, I know it's preseason but I think most would agree DT is one of those positions where the transition from college to pros is pretty quick. Positions like WR and even RB fall in that category as an example. I didn't know much about jones prior to the draft but I was happy we didn't draft brown or jeffcoat

 

[StarBoyz83]

He'll be fine. With the smarts and atleticism he has. He just needs to get adjusted to the nfl.

 

[casmith07]

Disclaimer: I watched the game off and on, haven't rewatched it, and I wasn't necessarily focused in solely on him.

I don't know if it was just me, but I felt like he looked, well, crappy and lost out there.

I know he's a rookie, and -as I am typically an optimist- I think he'll learn from his mistakes. I do think the proverbial brakes need to be pumped on him a bit though.

From what I saw of him tonight in his extended playtime, he's not close to being ready to be a starter.

A lot of this could have to do with the fact that most of the guys surrounding him are going to be cut this week, so maybe he just looked bad because of the lack of talent around him. He was playing mostly safety, so maybe he was cleaning up other guys' mistakes. I don't know.

I do know that he is very intelligent and athletic, so I trust he'll learn from his mistakes, and have the ability to correct them.

What did you guys think of him tonight?

I think he's a cornerback and not a safety. He looks lost/slow at safety.

 

[LandryFan]

It's looking that way. Then again, Patmon hasn't even been thrown at all preseason. We'll see week 1 with Cruz.

Rumor has it that Cruz won't be available week one (calf injury that's not healing properly). We'll see.

 

[Sydla]

I think he's a cornerback and not a safety. He looks lost/slow at safety.

I think it's the opposite. His best play came in the Minny game when he was playing S.

 

[CapnCook]

Funny when the OP opens a discussion with "I think he's not ready to be the starter." Then people respond with sarcasm about draft busts, etc. then, ironically accuse of over reaction.

Truth is, he gets lost tracking the ball, but his position is pretty good. Playing safety and keeping his face towards the ball is a great place to take advantage of his athleticism all while giving him experience to fine tune his instincts and ball tracking skills. Someone made some great points regarding his good use in nickle and dime packages.

The club is using him well.

 

[JPostSam]

i don't get it. he split time between safety and corner at connecticut, and he's supposed to be deion sanders from day one?

from what i've seen, he's been stuck to his man. he has plays where he denies the receiver a good shot at the ball, and times when he gives up a difficult catch. he shows more promise than i expected.

 

[xwalker]

Called this months before the draft....From every highlight video of him in college he looked lost. And now people are surprised he can't locate the football.....another Cowboyzone shocker that 90% bought the hype coming from the combine....

Still ticked we passed on Malcolm Brown for this guy

You wanted to draft that TCU LB in the 1st.

 

[iceberg]

Disclaimer: I watched the game off and on, haven't rewatched it, and I wasn't necessarily focused in solely on him.

I don't know if it was just me, but I felt like he looked, well, crappy and lost out there.

I know he's a rookie, and -as I am typically an optimist- I think he'll learn from his mistakes. I do think the proverbial brakes need to be pumped on him a bit though.

From what I saw of him tonight in his extended playtime, he's not close to being ready to be a starter.

A lot of this could have to do with the fact that most of the guys surrounding him are going to be cut this week, so maybe he just looked bad because of the lack of talent around him. He was playing mostly safety, so maybe he was cleaning up other guys' mistakes. I don't know.

I do know that he is very intelligent and athletic, so I trust he'll learn from his mistakes, and have the ability to correct them.

What did you guys think of him tonight?

well, since the draft the biggest names i keep hearing high hopes for are collins and gregory. i seldom if ever hear people go MY GOD JONES IS AMAZING AND THE NEXT DOT BOMB!!!!

so tapping the brakes may just go into reverse but ok...

 

[xwalker]

Disclaimer: I watched the game off and on, haven't rewatched it, and I wasn't necessarily focused in solely on him.

I don't know if it was just me, but I felt like he looked, well, crappy and lost out there.

I know he's a rookie, and -as I am typically an optimist- I think he'll learn from his mistakes. I do think the proverbial brakes need to be pumped on him a bit though.

From what I saw of him tonight in his extended playtime, he's not close to being ready to be a starter.

A lot of this could have to do with the fact that most of the guys surrounding him are going to be cut this week, so maybe he just looked bad because of the lack of talent around him. He was playing mostly safety, so maybe he was cleaning up other guys' mistakes. I don't know.

I do know that he is very intelligent and athletic, so I trust he'll learn from his mistakes, and have the ability to correct them.

What did you guys think of him tonight?

I watched all of the game in detail including rewinding multiple times on each play.

Jones was fine. He was right there on the TD but didn't quite have his timing right to go up for the ball. He did miss a tackle but about it for any issues in that game.

Jones was the best CB in terms of covering Dez in training camp.

If he was struggling, they would only have him playing 1 position.

People that didn"t like the pick will claim that he is struggling.

 

[jblaze2004]

corner depth is a good problem to have IMO

 

[KJJ]

He hasn't been looking good, but CB is a hard position to learn. He'll be okay. I don't expect Lester Hayes on day one.

I remember reading a few comments similar to this about Mo his rookie year...just sayin.

 

[School]

PFF graded all the first rounders through the first 3 games. With a 0.6 rating Ｊones was the 2nd highest rated DB of the first rounders. Only Demarious Randle, picked 3 spots later by the packers, was rated higher at 1.1

Jones has played both cornerback and free safety in camp and across his two preseason games. He was not in line to start, but the loss of CB Orlando Scandrick to a season-ending injury has thrown things up in the air within the Dallas secondary. He was impressive across 46 snaps against Minnesota, largely at free safety. He will likely have a significant role this season.

Malcolm Brown? At -5.3, he was a tenth of a point away from being the worst rated player in the entire first round.

Brown is part of a push by the Patriots to get younger and more disruptive up front, and while 2014 first-rounder Dominique Easley has responded with excellent play, Brown has been getting handled in his 77 snaps as a starter so far. Brown earned the fifth-highest grade of any defensive interior player in the FBS last year, but he has been unable to stop the run or generate any pressure (just a solitary hurry to date) so far in New England.

I was wanting a DT as much as anyone, but based on what we've seen so far we might've dodged a bullet with Brown.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...first-round-rookie-has-played-this-preseason/

 

[speedkilz88]

PFF graded all the first rounders through the first 3 games. With a 0.6 rating Ｊones was the 2nd highest rated DB of the first rounders. Only Demarious Randle, picked 3 spots later by the packers, was rated higher at 1.1



Malcolm Brown? At -5.3, he was a tenth of a point away from being the worst rated player in the entire first round.


I was wanting a DT as much as anyone, but based on what we've seen so far we might've dodged a bullet with Brown.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...first-round-rookie-has-played-this-preseason/

Brown was on fans radar not necessarily the Cowboys radar. He doesn't fit the Marinelli profile for a 1 tech.

 

[KJJ]

Not saying Jones isn't going to pan out but I mentioned on draft day that the Cowboys haven't had much luck drafting CB's in the first round the past several years. The best corner they've come up with since Newman has been Scandrick who was taken in the 5th round. No one expected a lot from him and he developed into the best corner on the team. Almost everything I've read on Jones said he would make a better safety than corner. Most seemed to think he'll have trouble covering WR's. Moving him around isn't going to help him he needs to learn one position before he loses his confidence and the Cowboys end up with another bust on their hands.

 

[KJJ]

corner depth is a good problem to have IMO

You don't exactly use a #1 on a corner for depth if that's what you're saying. It is a little concerning that he hasn't looked better than he has.

 

[KJJ]

I think he's a cornerback and not a safety.

That's not what I've been reading.

 

[gimmesix]

I think he's a cornerback and not a safety. He looks lost/slow at safety.

Well, there's a lot more to figure out at safety. I think that will ultimately be his position, but it's really easier to start out at corner. I think he'll start out, though, playing more safety if Claiborne and Patmon prove they can hold down their positions.

And once we actually start game-planning and watching film on opponents, I think he'll be better-suited to execute what he sees on the film. It's a bit different going up against a scheme you haven't really spent time studying.

I think people are jumping the gun on concern because of that.