Byron Jones vs. Texans

[windjc]

Not saying Jones isn't going to pan out but I mentioned on draft day that the Cowboys haven't had much luck drafting CB's in the first round the past several years. The best corner they've come up with since Newman has been Scandrick who was taken in the 5th round. No one expected a lot from him and he developed into the best corner on the team. Almost everything I've read on Jones said he would make a better safety than corner. Most seemed to think he'll have trouble covering WR's. Moving him around isn't going to help him he needs to learn one position before he loses his confidence and the Cowboys end up with another bust on their hands.

Dallas track record drafting corners has nothing to do with Jones. Used to say the same about OL.

Very weak argument.

 

[KJJ]

Dallas track record drafting corners has nothing to do with Jones. Used to say the same about OL.

Very weak argument.

What #1 picks have the Cowboys drafted on the OL that didn't pan out? You might want to read my post again. I'm talking about their track record for corners drafted in the first round the past few years.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Here is the big question:

Would you trade him for Tevin Coleman straight up?

You mean the guy that has been hurt all preseason? That didn't win the starting job over the stud incumbent 2nd year man that averaged under 4 yds a carry a year ago?

Oh, maybe you mean the guy that finally did something last night....against 2nd, 3rd and 4th string.

 

[Sydla]

You can't not take a player that you think can play because you botched a few previous drafts of that position.

That's insane logic.

 

[windjc]

What #1 picks have the Cowboys drafted on the OL that didn't pan out? You might want to read my post again. I'm talking about their track record for corners drafted in the first round the past few years.

Doesn't matter. Your argument is hella weak. Jones' production has nothing to do with previous drafts.

I've noticed you like to make a lot of stereotypical fan leaps in logic. That why you watch and coaches coach.

 

[KJJ]

Doesn't matter. Your argument is hella weak. Jones' production has nothing to do with previous drafts.

I've noticed you like to make a lot of stereotypical fan leaps in logic. That why you watch and coaches coach.

If my argument is hella weak then name the last solid corner the Cowboys drafted in the first round since Newman? I'm certainly not saying Jones is going to be a bust at corner but I was hoping he would look a little better than he has so far. Regardless where you draft a player you're rolling the dice especially once you get past the top 10 picks. I'm just pointing out that the Cowboys haven't had good luck drafting corners in the "first round" since Newman and Jones is the 3rd corner the Cowboys have used a #1 on since TNew. The jury is still out on Jones we're a long way from knowing where he'll end up.

 

[bayeslife]

What's with the Malcolm brown love here? He was average at Texas (I am a longhorn alum and follow the team somewhat closely) and he has shown to be pretty bad so far in pre season. Yeah, I know it's preseason but I think most would agree DT is one of those positions where the transition from college to pros is pretty quick. Positions like WR and even RB fall in that category as an example. I didn't know much about jones prior to the draft but I was happy we didn't draft brown or jeffcoat

Yeah I agree with this. Malcolm Brown was the only other great choice for Dallas at 27, and he's been pretty awful in preseason as well. Not Dallas could have done about it besides trading up and getting someone else.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

I remember reading a few comments similar to this about Mo his rookie year...just sayin.

I remember reading this same comment, just pointing out how you're copying posts.

 

[Sydla]

If my argument is hella weak then name the last solid corner the Cowboys drafted in the first round since Newman? I'm certainly not saying Jones is going to be a bust at corner but I was hoping he would look a little better than he has so far. Regardless where you draft a player you're rolling the dice especially once you get past the top 10 picks. I'm just pointing out that the Cowboys haven't had good luck drafting corners in the "first round" since Newman and Jones is the 3rd corner the Cowboys have used a #1 on since TNew. The jury is still out on Jones we're a long way from knowing where he'll end up.

What the Cowboys did in previous drafts has no bearing on the likelihood of success of a current or future draft pick at a similar position.

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

Aside from the TD he gave up, please point out other plays where he looked lost.. He had good coverage on the td play, just needs to turn that head around.. The drive before they threw like 3 times to his side and he was locked on the WR. too funny.. Also, how do I change my username?

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

If my argument is hella weak then name the last solid corner the Cowboys drafted in the first round since Newman? I'm certainly not saying Jones is going to be a bust at corner but I was hoping he would look a little better than he has so far. Regardless where you draft a player you're rolling the dice especially once you get past the top 10 picks. I'm just pointing out that the Cowboys haven't had good luck drafting corners in the "first round" since Newman and Jones is the 3rd corner the Cowboys have used a #1 on since TNew. The jury is still out on Jones we're a long way from knowing where he'll end up.

He could look like a hybrid of Night Train, Neon and Island and you'd think he didn't look good.

 

[AZ_Cowboys_Fan]

For what's it's worth, Trey Waynes of the Vikings has looked even worse than Jones so far.

 

[KJJ]

What the Cowboys did in previous drafts has no bearing on the likelihood of success of a current or future draft pick at a similar position.

Not saying what happened in previous drafts with first round corners will have a bearing on what happens with Jones but the Cowboys haven't had much luck drafting solid corners period since the 90's. In 2000 they drafted Dwayne Goodrich with their top pick (second round) Kareem Larrimore and Mario Edwards and all 3 flamed out. Other than Newman and Scandrick you would have to go back a number of years to find another corner the Cowboys drafted that turned into a solid player. If Jones doesn't pan out the Cowboys might want to give up drafting corners high and go after a free agent who's proven they can play.

 

[TheDude]

If my argument is hella weak then name the last solid corner the Cowboys drafted in the first round since Newman? I'm certainly not saying Jones is going to be a bust at corner but I was hoping he would look a little better than he has so far. Regardless where you draft a player you're rolling the dice especially once you get past the top 10 picks. I'm just pointing out that the Cowboys haven't had good luck drafting corners in the "first round" since Newman and Jones is the 3rd corner the Cowboys have used a #1 on since TNew. The jury is still out on Jones we're a long way from knowing where he'll end up.

There's only been MO. not enough sample size

That was horrific becasue of what was given up for a CB who was compared to Deion with nowhere near the speed or talent. He was hyped becasue of P Peterson. Still, that draft had some real embarrassments in hindsight

 

[KJJ]

There's only been MO. not enough sample size

That was horrific becasue of what was given up for a CB who was compared to Deion with nowhere near the speed or talent. He was hyped becasue of P Peterson. Still, that draft had some real embarrassments in hindsight

There was also Jenkins the Cowboys drafted in the first round who flamed out. The only comparison Mo had with Deion was the reports that he wasn't physical and didn't like to tackle. Couldn't understand how anyone could compare Mo with Deion when Mo had a listed 40 time of 4.57. Never seen a corner rated as the top corner in the draft with that slow a 40 time.

 

[TheDude]

There was also Jenkins the Cowboys drafted in the first round who flamed out. The only comparison Mo had with Deion was the reports that he wasn't physical and didn't like to tackle. Couldn't understand how anyone could compare Mo with Deion when Mo had a listed 40 time of 4.57.

Correct, my bad. Jenkins was actually pretty good pick in late 20s - not great but not a total bust.

Yeah I scratched my head at all the pundits claims on draft night. He was slow and no where near as fluid. 2 picks for him was never worth it

 

[Rogerthat12]

If my argument is hella weak then name the last solid corner the Cowboys drafted in the first round since Newman? I'm certainly not saying Jones is going to be a bust at corner but I was hoping he would look a little better than he has so far. Regardless where you draft a player you're rolling the dice especially once you get past the top 10 picks. I'm just pointing out that the Cowboys haven't had good luck drafting corners in the "first round" since Newman and Jones is the 3rd corner the Cowboys have used a #1 on since TNew. The jury is still out on Jones we're a long way from knowing where he'll end up.

Sorry but Mike Jenkins was drafted first round CB in 2008, now starts for the Bucs.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

What #1 picks have the Cowboys drafted on the OL that didn't pan out? You might want to read my post again. I'm talking about their track record for corners drafted in the first round the past few years.

Our system for scouting and drafting players is much different today than it was for any 1st round corners other than Mo and Jones. Mo has been injured too often to judge him fairly and Jones hasn't taken a meaningful snap yet.

But if you want to compare the story to OL....remember we would never take OL in the 1st under Jerry....until we did 3 times in 4 years?

Past performance is no indicator of future results. Especially in the NFL draft. Come on man!

 

[KJJ]

Correct, my bad. Jenkins was actually pretty good pick in late 20s - not great but not a total bust.

Yeah I scratched my head at all the pundits claims on draft night. He was slow and no where near as fluid. 2 picks for him was never worth it

Jenkins had a promising start to his career with 6 int's his first 2 seasons but flamed out. I knew when we started seeing those ole' moves he wouldn't be wearing a star very long. The one ole' move he pulled in the debacle vs Green Bay in 2010 was beyond embarrassing. Other than Newman and Scandrick you would have to go all the way back to Kevin Smith in 92 to find the last "solid" corner the Cowboys drafted.

 

[KJJ]

Sorry but Mike Jenkins was drafted first round CB in 2008, now starts for the Bucs.

Sorry, but Jenkins never saw a second contract with the Cowboys he was a bust for us. Tampa sucks they just had the first overall pick so him starting for them doesn't mean he's any good. The Cowboys would have kept him if he was any good and not wasted a top 10 pick on Claiborne.