The coaches aren't to blame

[Alexander]

Please be fair to JG. He was in training in 2011 thru 2013 and Jerry/Stephen picked all the players that stunk during those years. In 2014, Jerry took the training wheels off and allowed JG to keep only the very good players so he could get a contract extension. In 2015, JG is back in training for "Playing with Injuries" and "Winning with the Backup QBs". Once JG passes these training classes he will be ready to have another 12-4 Season. Jerry is to blame for the QB Backups as well. JB is an ex-NFL QB who was also a QB Coach in Miami. JG knows QBs and Jerry told him that Weeden was the savior even thought JG stated that Weeden was not the answer. Jerry wiffed on Brad Johnson as well. Poor JG always has to deal with poor personnel and yet he has never had a losing season. The next TL is very close to being enshrined in the Ring Of honor.

You are really stretching it if you think for a second that Garrett was not complicit in who the backup QBs have been. He loved Brad Johnson, he wanted Cassel when he was in Miami.

 

[perrykemp]

Supposedly, Garrett is the guy that has an eye on personnel and made all the moves to build this OL and so forth... But Jerry is the guy that decided to bring back-up QB scrubs and Garrett had no choice but to wield to the evil that is Jerry...

My $0.02 is here on CZ JG is given all the credit when personnel decisions work out and when things don't work out personnel wise JG has nothing to with it --- it's all the front-office...

 

[Rockport]

Instant gratification?

LOL.

2011 he's 8-8
2012 he's 8-8
2013 he's 8-8

It's not instant gratification. It's common sense. Garrett and this staff have been mediocre. The best coach, Callahan, is now in Washington.

Then why weren't you whining last year?

 

[PAINFROMUKRAINE]

You are really stretching it if you think for a second that Garrett was not complicit in who the backup QBs have been. He loved Brad Johnson, he wanted Cassel when he was in Miami.

I am not stretching it. I just want to start thinking like JG supporters think. I think JG is Princeton Smart and Football Stupid. I just want to push all the blame on the players and Jerry. The Coaching and the Scheme are never Accountable for any loses/issues. If JG's name was Wade, he would have been run out of town 3 years ago. Being a "Trainee" while making millions of dollars buys you time, respect, and No Accountability.

 

[khiladi]

Then why weren't you whining last year?

Because Romo wasn't injured and Jerry said before the season that Romo would be given more power and that power was revoked from Jason in regards to play-calling and he would have his red-headed genius walking around the defense .

Pretty much any success this team has had was when Garrett was removed from the equation.

Now with Romo gone, it's apparent the guy hasn't brought anything...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Playing it too safe and settling for FG's is the coaching staff's fault.

in a 10-9 game...when your offense is struggling...you play conservative...you don't want to turn the ball over, on such a day....

 

[Rockport]

Because Romo wasn't injured and Jerry said before the season that Romo would be given more power and that power was revoked from Jason in regards to play-calling and he would have his red-headed genius walking around the defense .

Pretty much any success this team has had was when Garrett was removed from the equation.

Now with Romo gone, it's apparent the guy hasn't brought anything...

So Garrett had nothing to do with last year?

 

[khiladi]

So Garrett had nothing to do with last year?

To quote Jerry, prior to the beginning of last season:

"There's a difference when you're sitting in the room and as the head coach you say, 'Wait a minute, y'all put some salt and pepper in there,' then after it's already been cooked and you're tasting it outside the room and you say, 'It might need a little salt and pepper.' It's a big difference. One you're involved in the cooking, one you're not involved. Jason was involved in the cooking last year. That was just a fact and everybody knew that or should. That won't be the case this year."

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah other coaches are creative. We expect our guy to beat their guy one on one. So when our main guys go down with injuries, our "next man up mantra" means that now we are relying on our second string guy to beat their first string guy straight up. It's not happening and we are losing.

Garret played on the great 90's teams with Emmitt, Troy and Irvin. In that era and with that team they were so good that they just manhandled people. Our 11 guys on offense would be able to beat their 11 guys on defense even when the defense knew we were running with Emmitt. Michael Irvin could beat double teams and Alvin Harper could beat single coverage. The oline could beat the defense's front seven. Those teams' offense relied on man to man our guy would beat their guy every time. And rarely did this fail. Example given, Erik Williams vs Reggie white both when he was a Eagle and as a Packer. Erik's job was to go out there and eliminate the Reggie White, and he did it in several games and playoffs. Another example, Kevin Smith vs. Jerry Rice. We basically told Kevin Smith to stop Jerry Rice

Garret needs to understand 2 very important things.
1. That team was built right before FA and the salary cap. 92, 93, and 94 we were 3 deep at every position. FA took those teams away (and Switzer didn't help either). This is a different Era of of football. Jimmy Johnson was not successful in this era of football when he coached the dolphins. George Seifert (coach of the '94 niners that beat us) never coached another team after FA. The NFL nowadays is not about your guy beating the guy across from him in a straight up. With FA and salary cap that type of roster and gameplan is gone. No team can do that.
2. I spent so much tyime on point 1 I forgot point 2. If I remember it I will post it later. But I am really happy with point number 1. No team can do what the Cowboys and the niners did in the early 90's. Just too much talent. NFL rosters now are too thin due to salary cap and FA. Garret please get with the times and ADJUST, ADJUST, ADJUST

Let me start off by saying that I like your post. I don't agree with it, in so far as, you can't win with that style of play any longer but I do appreciate the thought you put into your post. The problem with this post is that I don't think you can make this case with the injury situation being what it is. Garrett and this coaching staff are very limited in what they can actually do IMO. It's easy to forget that Cassel has really only been in this offense for less then 6 weeks. I'm willing to bet that there is a lot of the playbook that we can't run. I'm not saying that there are not some things this staff couldn't be doing better. Up till yesterday, our special teams were horrific. I do think that Garrett needs to take a few more chances (when the opportunity favors it) in order to try and get TDs as opposed to FGs. I do not, nor have I really ever, been a big fan of Linehan. I understand that Picks are now an accepted method of cheating in the NFL but even so, we play them horribly. We should really be able to play them a little better then we do.

All of these things and probably a few more, are faults of our Coaching Staff IMO. However, I think they have been saddled with a seriously bad situation and the product we are seeing out on the field is not, IMO, all on them. They are doing the best they can with what they have but the problem is that their best, even though I know that they have a seriously crappy hand, is just not good enough. At the end of the day, you have to find a way to win some games until Tony gets back. They aren't getting it done to this point and that's a problem.

 

[Rockport]

To quote Jerry, prior to the beginning of last season:

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[plymkr]

Let me start off by saying that I like your post. I don't agree with it, in so far as, you can't win with that style of play any longer but I do appreciate the thought you put into your post. The problem with this post is that I don't think you can make this case with the injury situation being what it is. Garrett and this coaching staff are very limited in what they can actually do IMO. It's easy to forget that Cassel has really only been in this offense for less then 6 weeks. I'm willing to bet that there is a lot of the playbook that we can't run. I'm not saying that there are not some things this staff couldn't be doing better. Up till yesterday, our special teams were horrific. I do think that Garrett needs to take a few more chances (when the opportunity favors it) in order to try and get TDs as opposed to FGs. I do not, nor have I really ever, been a big fan of Linehan. I understand that Picks are now an accepted method of cheating in the NFL but even so, we play them horribly. We should really be able to play them a little better then we do.

All of these things and probably a few more, are faults of our Coaching Staff IMO. However, I think they have been saddled with a seriously bad situation and the product we are seeing out on the field is not, IMO, all on them. They are doing the best they can with what they have but the problem is that their best, even though I know that they have a seriously crappy hand, is just not good enough. At the end of the day, you have to find a way to win some games until Tony gets back. They aren't getting it done to this point and that's a problem.

Thanks, that was probably the most respectful, thought provoking disagreement of as post I have ever received. I actually appreciate your respect and response. That's cool reading a disagreement post without any name calling.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Thanks, that was probably the most respectful, thought provoking disagreement of as post I have ever received. I actually appreciate your respect and response. That's cool reading a disagreement post without any name calling.

It's NP. I am actually better now. Yesterday, I would not have been able to post anything close to this. I was too busy being pissed off at all things alive. LOL........

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

in a 10-9 game...when your offense is struggling...you play conservative...you don't want to turn the ball over, on such a day....

Sometimes in a football game risky and gutsy plays need to be called for a chance to win. A coaching staff can't always play it too safe to the point that they can't get any TD's. Not a lot of games are going to be won in the NFL if the Offense can't score TD's, unless the team gets lucky enough to have the defense score a TD.

 

[dallasdave]

It doesn't matter, Bill Belichick won with Cassel.

And he won a lot of games !!

 

[CliffClaven19]

I think QB play is the issue. How is it Cassel can't throw to a receiver down field? Do we really believe they are covered every pass play or is it he just doesn't know the offense well enough? If we know Cassel n Weeden are going to loose the game why not try Moore, all he could do is get game experience and possible win, right? If he sucks it up then no need to keep him on the PS. You can send one of the other two losers down there.

 

[Idgit]

This thread is getting longer, not necessarily better.

There is plenty to be critical about re: the staff and the organization the last several years under Garrett. From my observation, no matter what's criticized, if it stops short of blaming the play calling or calling for a regime change completely, it just gets ignored and the people attempt to paint these posters as hopeless homers. i know I'ver personally criticized heavily everything from the defensive coaching staff mistakes to personnel shortcomings to the scheme to the game day play calling, and I'm still constantly having to dispute the impression that I won't be critical of Garrett. Mostly because I try to make a distinction between a play that doesn't work and a bad play call. Which seems crazy to me, because those two things are pretty obviously not at all the same things.

Regardless, this team has gotten better and deeper under Garrett and the organization has returned to being a lot more stable and just generally top-notch in a way it hasn't been since before the Parcels years. For such a tough job in such a tough market with such a challenging owner, he's done a great job. And people who are blaming the coaching staff right now for most of what's going on on game days just aren't looking at the problem deeply or carefully enough.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Regardless, this team has gotten better and deeper under Garrett and the organization has returned to being a lot more stable and just generally top-notch in a way it hasn't been since before the Parcels years. For such a tough job in such a tough market with such a challenging owner, he's done a great job. And people who are blaming the coaching staff right now for most of what's going on on game days just aren't looking at the problem deeply or carefully enough.

Not running for any kind of office are you? Talk like that won't win you any friends.

 

[Idgit]

Not running for any kind of office are you? Talk like that won't win you any friends.

I've got my friends. And then I've got my CZ friends. I mean, detractors. Secretly, we both know they love me, though.

It's not my fault if they're a bunch of bandwagon-hopping reactionaries. But they wear hats with stars on them, so they're like my little misguided brethren, flocking from one criticism to the next until Romo comes back and we start winning consistently. With Weeden gone, it's Garrett's turn this week. Next week? Jerry. Then maybe we'll get to Matt Cassel, but only if there's time.

 

[Rockport]

This thread is getting longer, not necessarily better.

There is plenty to be critical about re: the staff and the organization the last several years under Garrett. From my observation, no matter what's criticized, if it stops short of blaming the play calling or calling for a regime change completely, it just gets ignored and the people attempt to paint these posters as hopeless homers. i know I'ver personally criticized heavily everything from the defensive coaching staff mistakes to personnel shortcomings to the scheme to the game day play calling, and I'm still constantly having to dispute the impression that I won't be critical of Garrett. Mostly because I try to make a distinction between a play that doesn't work and a bad play call. Which seems crazy to me, because those two things are pretty obviously not at all the same things.

Regardless, this team has gotten better and deeper under Garrett and the organization has returned to being a lot more stable and just generally top-notch in a way it hasn't been since before the Parcels years. For such a tough job in such a tough market with such a challenging owner, he's done a great job. And people who are blaming the coaching staff right now for most of what's going on on game days just aren't looking at the problem deeply or carefully enough.

People either forgot or didn't watch the game. Especially that last series when we had a minute left and only needed a field goal to win. Everyone has been saying Garrett was playing not to lose. Well on that series that obviously wasn't the case and Cassel looked his worst. I just wish people would understand the game more before coming here and making themselves look stupid.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Sometimes in a football game risky and gutsy plays need to be called for a chance to win. A coaching staff can't always play it too safe to the point that they can't get any TD's. Not a lot of games are going to be won in the NFL if the Offense can't score TD's, unless the team gets lucky enough to have the defense score a TD.

well, think about it. up that point. the defense played a very good game. they had only given up 230 yards of offense. it was going to be a close game. given the offense had struggled, you take the points. that would give us the lead. so you get the lead and TRUST that your defense will hold them again. that's putting it on the line, but putting it on defense.