Star Wars Force Awakens SPOILER Thread - Don't Click If You Haven't Seen!

[HoustonSucks]

and can someone tell me how luke knew to be on that rock to meet who i think is his daughter?

the soap opera seems strong in this one...

Ummmmm.... he's a JEDI and he senses Force Sensitive people when they are near. How would he NOT know? If he didn't, I'd be worried about him.

 

[Dodger12]

Kylo Ren and cutting up the ship. Friggin stupid!!
His character was the weakest of the bunch. Hope he's dead. Although I know he is not.

Good point Red. Kylo Ren lacked that menacing persona and charisma that Vader had. Vader was that merciless, unstoppable force that added the "evil" element to the trilogy; Ren could barely beat Fin and then lost to Rey. Any plot/character momentum gained by Ren killing his father was lost when he laid an egg to a novice of the force with no Jedi training. I mean, even the Sith in Phantom Menace had that mystique and I thought the showdown at the end was well played.

I like that Star Wars is back and I had fun but it could have been a whole lot better.

 

[Dodger12]

I enjoyed it a lot. I don't really understand some of the disappointment in this thread but what do I know, I loved the prequel trilogy too and according to some they were absolutely terrible. Maybe I am just a sucker for anything Star Wars. Are there some things I might have done differently if I was in charge?? Sure, but come on people, we have yet another installment of the greatest movie series ever created with more to come!!!

Rant over!!!

I liked the prequels as well even though they had some issues and forgettable characters but I enjoyed them quite a bit. Don't get me wrong, I'm looking forward to the next movie but not with the kind of anticipation for the past ones.

 

[Rogah]

Those weren't extra planets; those were moons that were destroyed.

No, they were planets - and not even in the same system as the planet that everyone was standing on when they looked up in the sky and saw them destroyed. So you're kinda helping to prove my point about how ridiculously unclear the whole thing is.

And, much like Abrams's Star Trek, you have to ignore the fact that someone standing on one planet can witness (with the naked eye, no less) the destruction of another planet in another star system.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I think that was it. Basically the blue print was the same as episode 4.

Lonely character on a desolate planet who dreams of adventure, finds it by boarding the millennium falcon, mentor (although brief) sacrificed killed by main villain (Han/Obi Wan), finds the force.

Then basically the redo of the Death Star, a rescue mission on the Death Star, how the Death Star (or star killer, this round) was destroyed.

A lot of parallels that paid homage to the original film, but at some point you just want to see something original.

They can away with it for this one, but if they follow the same cycle over the next two movies this trilogy is going to be below the prequal trilogy

 

[darthseinfeld]

I enjoyed it a lot. I don't really understand some of the disappointment in this thread but what do I know, I loved the prequel trilogy too and according to some they were absolutely terrible. Maybe I am just a sucker for anything Star Wars. Are there some things I might have done differently if I was in charge?? Sure, but come on people, we have yet another installment of the greatest movie series ever created with more to come!!!

Rant over!!!

I never understood the hate of the prequels. They had there misses just like the original did but they were highly entertaining (thats the point right) and they succeeded in giving us a very good backstory for Darth Vader, Darth Sideous, Yoda, and Obi Wan

 

[HoustonSucks]

No, they were planets - and not even in the same system as the planet that everyone was standing on when they looked up in the sky and saw them destroyed. So you're kinda helping to prove my point about how ridiculously unclear the whole thing is.

And, much like Abrams's Star Trek, you have to ignore the fact that someone standing on one planet can witness (with the naked eye, no less) the destruction of another planet in another star system.

Well, I read that they were moons. I will try to find where I read this. But really this is all moot to me. I don't care about Star trek - never have; never will. And things like this s don't affect my enjoyment of a film. Emotion and characterization do that. I mean if you cant' suspend your disbelief for something like this then not sure you should be watching fantasy/sci-fi. lol. And for the record, I personally consider Star Wars more fantasy than Sci-fi...

 

[iceberg]

Ummmmm.... he's a JEDI and he senses Force Sensitive people when they are near. How would he NOT know? If he didn't, I'd be worried about him.

if he knew, why didn't he go to her? and what the hell does he eat on that planet?

 

[Stryker44]

Did Fin die at the end or was he still alive?

 

[HoustonSucks]

if he knew, why didn't he go to her? and what the hell does he eat on that planet?

Lol, I'm sure he jedi spears some fish and Jedi heats them up with his saber fire. And maybe he has a potato patch as it is technically Ireland.

 

[Stryker44]

Good point Red. Kylo Ren lacked that menacing persona and charisma that Vader had. Vader was that merciless, unstoppable force that added the "evil" element to the trilogy; Ren could barely beat Fin and then lost to Rey. Any plot/character momentum gained by Ren killing his father was lost when he laid an egg to a novice of the force with no Jedi training. I mean, even the Sith in Phantom Menace had that mystique and I thought the showdown at the end was well played.

I like that Star Wars is back and I had fun but it could have been a whole lot better.

Rey knew Ren was a Darth Vader wannabe.

At the end the "Supreme Leader" mentioned "finishing his training"

I wonder how this parlays into making him a more evil, scary character.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Quality perception wise, I think LOTR really hurt the prequel trilogy. Being from the same time as another episodic saga that was superior in quality hurt peoples perception of the prequels considering its a shared fanbase for the most part. Saying that the prequels competed very well for popularity VS LOTR. If they sucked so bad, they would have been almost irrelevant 2001-2003

 

[Dodger12]

Rey knew Ren was a Darth Vader wannabe.

At the end the "Supreme Leader" mentioned "finishing his training"

I wonder how this parlays into making him a more evil, scary character.

I hear you and I'm sure there's more coming in the way of Ren's character development. But I just don't think it'll be enough to overcome his defeat at the hands of a former scavenger with no Jedi training whatsoever. That was just real lame.......

And did Rey even know who Darth Vader was?

 

[HoustonSucks]

I hear you and I'm sure there's more coming in the way of Ren's character development. But I just don't think it'll be enough to overcome his defeat at the hands of a former scavenger with no Jedi training whatsoever. That was just real lame.......

And did Rey even know who Darth Vader was?

You don't know the whole story yet. Neither do I. But there is a possibility she WAS trained as a child. Maybe even along side him. Besides she was pretty awesome with her pole fighting or whatever that thing was in the beginning of the film. Luke trained for all of a day with Ben Kenobi and blew up the Deathstar. Yes, he trained with Yoda then faced Vader who was MUCH stronger than Ren. Ren is not completely trained. So to me it doesn't weaken his character at all. It intrigues me that he is flawed and screwed up and not the this all-encompassing Evil dude. Besides, he KILLED his father. I don't know... I'm continually amazed at how people have such different perceptions. Blows my mind.

 

[Nomad]

I don't know why but I think Rey might be Han/Leia's daughter too, they just handled her differently. When she said she never knew there was that much green in the galaxy Han made a sad/guilty face for her being ditched on that desert planet. And the father figure you never had comment. Also weird reason but it seems too obvious and unfair for Lukes kid to be good and Han/Leia's not. I don't know, I guess all that matters is they are all related.

Also I love how Kylo Ren is all insecure about never living up to Darth Vader, tempermental and immature. Fear leads to anger all that. Like Anakin. He's flawed like that which is why he gets all dark. It will be cool seeing him change over the next few movies become more formidable.

 

[Stryker44]

I hear you and I'm sure there's more coming in the way of Ren's character development. But I just don't think it'll be enough to overcome his defeat at the hands of a former scavenger with no Jedi training whatsoever. That was just real lame.......

And did Rey even know who Darth Vader was?

I think it was implied that Rey was able to get into his mind the way he was able to get into hers.

But yeah I agree, how can she be this strong?

 

[darthseinfeld]

I think Ren turns

 

[Rogah]

Well, I read that they were moons. I will try to find where I read this.

Well you didn't read it in the Star Wars Visual Dictionary because that's the book that says they were all planets.

But really this is all moot to me. I don't care about Star trek - never have; never will. And things like this s don't affect my enjoyment of a film. Emotion and characterization do that. I mean if you cant' suspend your disbelief for something like this then not sure you should be watching fantasy/sci-fi. lol. And for the record, I personally consider Star Wars more fantasy than Sci-fi...

I don't mind suspending disbelief, I just need it explained to me and ask that the movie not be incredibly misleading. When people look up at the sky and see planets explode, you get the impression those are planets in the same system or, as you believed, that they were moons. Instead, if you go by the map in that same publication, they were looking at planets in another star systems which lay thousands (millions?) of light years away.

 

[Rogah]

Did Fin die at the end or was he still alive?

He was alive. There was a heartbeat.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I don't know why but I think Rey might be Han/Leia's daughter too, they just handled her differently. When she said she never knew there was that much green in the galaxy Han made a sad/guilty face for her being ditched on that desert planet. And the father figure you never had comment. Also weird reason but it seems too obvious and unfair for Lukes kid to be good and Han/Leia's not. I don't know, I guess all that matters is they are all related.

Also I love how Kylo Ren is all insecure about never living up to Darth Vader, tempermental and immature. Fear leads to anger all that. Like Anakin. He's flawed like that which is why he gets all dark. It will be cool seeing him change over the next few movies become more formidable.

It's going to interesting how they do that with the kids. Who's kid is who's ?
Finn is lando's kid? Lol why not link everyone to everyone from past?

So, Ren is going to be immature like young Vader, I mean Anakin? I'm not digging it.


Ohhhh.... And did we really re-use blowing up a Death Star again... or whatever you call the BIGGER looking Death Star?

Again! Really??