Just say NO to QB at #4

[BrassCowboy]

And when Goff or Wentz turn out to be JAGS, not the answer at QB, will you still think the selection at 4 was the smart move? None of these guys were rated at the top of boards throughout the year. Almost every draft guru said that Goff and Lynch should have returned to school, that neither is ready. Now Wentz is the golden boy of the moment. You can be sure that reports Dallas scouts knew about him and were hoping he wouldn't blow up like this is because they were considering him at 34, not at 4.

I don't pretend to know much, but I have seen games of all three, and what I saw didn't remind me of the big time QBs we are used to seeing in the top 3-4 picks of the draft. These guys are not top 5 talent.

Sorry, but we spent the last twenty years trying to get that flash player right now and neglecting the future. Not getting a QB at #4 is like irresponsible IMO. One way I might be ok with not grabbing a QB at #4 is picking up Carson Wentz with 2nd rounder, but as others have stated, he might not drop that low. Your original thread suggested his collar bone was the sole reason we consider him getting "old". No, not just 3 collarbone breaks, but also 2 (TWO) back surgeries. We all hear 2 years left for Romo, sometimes 3, but he may not even make it another year.

We finally did a smart thing the past 3 years by grabbing quality Olinemen but unfortunately for Romo, it may be little too late for him. To neglect our teams future going elsewhere this draft is doing same ol same ol that we have been seeing for 20 years.

And I am not buying the few out there who say Lynch and Goff not ready, but if they aren't then they may have a little time to learn behind Romo in the meantime.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Makes perfect sense as I only said the draft "experts" still say Goff and Lych should have stayed in college. You don't have to agree, but it's all written record.

its only written in an opinion piece but you will find the same number of "experts" who will say differently. Need to leave it to the scouts.

 

[Chuck 54]

That is what everyone is missing. The cost to get back to where we are now is going to be much higher in the future.

We need a QB for the next decade. The time to get one is now.

It's up for debate, but the idea is that many think QBs like these can usually be had further down in round one when there are stronger QB classes.

 

[BrassCowboy]

It's up for debate, but the idea is that many think QBs like these can usually be had further down in round one when there are stronger QB classes.

what do you mean by further down in round 1 when there are stronger qb classes. Why not draft them qbs first? just saying....

 

[Chuck 54]

what do you mean by further down in round 1 when there are stronger qb classes. Why not draft them qbs first? just saying....

Sorry I was unclear....yes, we'd be happy to select a top QB at four, and any of these guys can surprise and be a top QB regardless of draft spot. I was responding to the idea that in another year we would have to give up multiple picks for a QB. If the three top QBs this year are actually guys who might be drafted 12-25 (Lynch) after the top guys in a better year for QBs, then maybe we'd get a QB similar to these guys in the teens in the next two years rather than at #4 this year. I'm not saying we would or could, just that teams tend to reach for QBs and pass rushers.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Sorry I was unclear....yes, we'd be happy to select a top QB at four, and any of these guys can surprise and be a top QB regardless of draft spot. I was responding to the idea that in another year we would have to give up multiple picks for a QB. If the three top QBs this year are actually guys who might be drafted 12-25 (Lynch) after the top guys in a better year for QBs, then maybe we'd get a QB similar to these guys in the teens in the next two years rather than at #4 this year. I'm not saying we would or could, just that teams tend to reach for QBs and pass rushers.

ok I understand what you are saying there.... I don't believe these qbs are as weak as you think, but yeah matter of opinion.

 

[Miller]

Sorry but I say Yes. The draft isn't perfect but the stats bear out that if there are QBs that succeed they are top guys in the 1st Round. I don't care what Tony tells the media, the fact that they consider a plate to strengthen an injury that usually heals on its own is a red flag. It's funny how people talk about Rodgers being such a smart move for Pack. They guy was considered 1A and 1B with Smith. Smith goes 1 and Rodgers drops like a rock. But he is now a HOFer. I haven't seen much in years that proves that 2nd and 3rd rounders are the answer. Now I'm not saying reach far but if you think the guy is a difference maker behind Tony, get it done. I honestly don't think a DE or DB at 4 will fix a myriad of issues we have...one being we can't survive when Romo goes down

 

[Frosty]

Sorry but I say Yes. The draft isn't perfect but the stats bear out that if there are QBs that succeed they are top guys in the 1st Round. I don't care what Tony tells the media, the fact that they consider a plate to strengthen an injury that usually heals on its own is a red flag. It's funny how people talk about Rodgers being such a smart move for Pack. They guy was considered 1A and 1B with Smith. Smith goes 1 and Rodgers drops like a rock. But he is now a HOFer. I haven't seen much in years that proves that 2nd and 3rd rounders are the answer. Now I'm not saying reach far but if you think the guy is a difference maker behind Tony, get it done. I honestly don't think a DE or DB at 4 will fix a myriad of issues we have...one being we can't survive when Romo goes down

Have to agree with you, Heard a stat the other day about drafting franchise QBs...they said 84% of Franchise QB's are drafted in the Top 10. That percentage severally gets worse in the later rounds. Its not impossible but teams have to get lucky to hit on a successful QB's like Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Dereck Carr.....more misses than success....If the Cowboys like one of these top QB's they need to pull the trigger.

 

[BAT]

But the problem is ... who was the staff given to "groom" ???

Garrett and Linehan had 2 seasons with former first rounder Brandon Weeden. They and Jerry talked him up all pre-season, but the guy could not win a single game as a starter. Not ONE game. And he goes to the Texans for less than half a season yet was able to help that team win out to get into the playoffs. There is no way Weeden was as familiar with Texans offense than he was with Cowboys, yet he was more successful.

Whether it was the game planning or the play calling, the staff failed to put ALL the backup QBs in positions for success. That's THREE different QBs. A single win in 12 games. Pathetic. It's not all on the players when the pattern is so blatant.

 

[BAT]

Jimmy Johnson nearly did something like that. When he drafted Aikman, he knew he was a rookie who was not ready and the team wasn't very good. He considered keeping Danny White and letting him start another year, but White was done due to a wrist injury that could not properly heal up. I remember Johnson's exact quote when asked about starting a rookie quarterback. He said, "We'll play the cards we have." He would have preferred a veteran for that first year, one that Aikman could have learned behind. Tom Landry drafted Roger Staubach, who, as a Heisman winner, certainly would have been one of the top five picks in the draft were it not for his Navy commitment. What did Landry do with this first-round talent? He sat him behind Craig Morton for two years. In Tampa Bay, Steve Young sat behind Steve DeBerg at first.

The team has the choice between picking up a free agent like Manziel or RG3 or of filling the position in the draft. Or we could hang on to Cassel. None of those prospects sound very good, IMO. Paxton Lynch is showing some good skills, albeit skills that need to be honed. There is no rule that says you can't draft a QB in the top 5 and then sit him at first. In fact, that's the old school way of doing it. It's only been relatively recently that guys like Andrew Luck and Ben Roethlisberger have come in to start immediately. If it's in the best interests of your team, you do it. Manziel, most of us agree, is a lousy prospect. RG3 I might be able to live with if he came in with a great attitude and worked hard. If the team went with him, I would want us to draft a marquee defensive player. But to me, Lynch or Goff look better than RG3. Is there a QB you want in the 2017 draft? I'm not saying your ideas are foolish -- we have respectful disagreement here. You must know the team can't continue kicking the can down the road indefinitely. At some point soon we need Romo's successor and not just a backup. I just want to understand your thought process. If not now, when does the team go after the successor?

Don't think Steve Young sitting behind DeBerg helps your argument. When Young finally started for Tampa he was absolutely horrible. The definition of bust. It was only after he became Walsh's reclamation project and had him sit behind Montana and learn Walsh's west coast offense did he truly become a franchise QB.

Without great coaching and system fit, even the most talented players will bust. Cowboys lack good coaching, never mind great coaching.

 

[LatinMind]

Incredibly short sighted and I disagree with most of it. The problem I have is the staff here gives me no confidence they can develop a QB. Biggest problem I have with this short sighted view point is that franchise QBs dont appear when you want them too. They have to be drafted and developed. Statistically speaking you find more franchise QBs in round one and decreases as you go to other rounds. Play the percentages.

i laugh when people say this team cant develop a QB but JG and Wilson have been with Romo all but one of the yrs he's started. Romo was a INT magnet but with 2012 disaster aside Romo has been good with the ball. In Romos first 3 yrs he threw 46 INTS and 21 fumbles 2 of them with Garrett and Wilson. IN the 7 yrs since he has 71 ints and 18 fumbles. 19 ints and 3 fumbles came in 2012. So 20% of that total since came in 1 yr. This coaching staff has developed one of the best QBs in this league.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Goff--Wentz--Lynch

Last year all three would have been drafted behind Winston and Marietta. Any of these guys could develop into a quality starting QB in 2-3 years. Any could be career backups. Time for the hype to end.

Romo is not old. According to reports and himself, his back and core are stronger than ever. A collar bone is a collar bone; I've never heard of a career ending due to a collar bone. Tony Romo's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

No one drafts a QB in the top five picks to sit behind a franchise QB for 2-3 years or longer. Even NE has planned twice to prepare for Brady's retirement, but never at the top. All this talk is just foolishness. Draft a super blue-chip defender at #4 or trade down for multiple picks and turn those into DL, LB, DB, and pick up a developmental QB, RB, and WR in middle rounds.

It's too early to pass on impact players who can help a legitimate playoff team with Romo and Dez healthy to take a talented, but developmental QB and sit him on the bench. Sorry, no way I'm buying that move. I hope the hype for all three QBs goes through the roof so that Dallas gets some great trade offers to think about vs a blue-chip defender.

Here is the problem bro, we have an offense that is extremely basic and simple in design. We exclusively win because of the talent level of the QB so we basically need a Jedi QB to win games.

Our Jedi got taken out by a Sith Lord last season and we had no other Jedi on the roster...........result was 1-11

So now we are in a pickle. We are worried that our Jedi is going to get taken out again by another Sith Lord and we still have no other Jedi on the roster. So we need another Jedi and there just happens to be 3 prospects in the local village. They might be Jedi, but we are not 100% sure. All 3 might be Jedi or none of the 3 might be Jedi, we really don't know for sure. What we do know is that our current Jedi is older than Yoda and probably will not survive another attack this year by a Sith Lord.

So that's where we are right now bro.

 

[Junglist]

And when Goff or Wentz turn out to be JAGS, not the answer at QB, will you still think the selection at 4 was the smart move? None of these guys were rated at the top of boards throughout the year. Almost every draft guru said that Goff and Lynch should have returned to school, that neither is ready. Now Wentz is the golden boy of the moment. You can be sure that reports Dallas scouts knew about him and were hoping he wouldn't blow up like this is because they were considering him at 34, not at 4.

I don't pretend to know much, but I have seen games of all three, and what I saw didn't remind me of the big time QBs we are used to seeing in the top 3-4 picks of the draft. These guys are not top 5 talent.

I'm Garrett-clapping for you. We should find a viable backup, keep building our garbage defense, and find a better QB than what this year's class has to offer next year.

 

[IrishAnto]

Goff--Wentz--Lynch

Last year all three would have been drafted behind Winston and Marietta. Any of these guys could develop into a quality starting QB in 2-3 years. Any could be career backups. Time for the hype to end.

Romo is not old. According to reports and himself, his back and core are stronger than ever. A collar bone is a collar bone; I've never heard of a career ending due to a collar bone. Tony Romo's demise has been greatly exaggerated.

No one drafts a QB in the top five picks to sit behind a franchise QB for 2-3 years or longer. Even NE has planned twice to prepare for Brady's retirement, but never at the top. All this talk is just foolishness. Draft a super blue-chip defender at #4 or trade down for multiple picks and turn those into DL, LB, DB, and pick up a developmental QB, RB, and WR in middle rounds.

It's too early to pass on impact players who can help a legitimate playoff team with Romo and Dez healthy to take a talented, but developmental QB and sit him on the bench. Sorry, no way I'm buying that move. I hope the hype for all three QBs goes through the roof so that Dallas gets some great trade offers to think about vs a blue-chip defender.

Who's the super blue-chip defender?

 

[rwalters31]

Just say yes to another 20 years of mediocrity due to negligent decision making.

That's basically what we're saying here.

OK, someone who knows that history does repeat itself. I'm too old to wait another 20 years for a SB. The next time we are at #4 in the pick could be next year if we do not pick a GOOD replacement this year. After the first 3 or 4 QBs in this draft the talent falls off pretty fast and hoping for a top tier QB when we have to have one could put us in search process that we saw until Romo came along.

Say YES to QB at #4

 

[Junglist]

Still awaiting a convincing argument these guys are the real deal.

All I keep reading is "They are QBs, draft them".

Yep. Exactly.

 

[Junglist]

No.. I do.. I like Wentz.. He is a freak talent and if you can't coach that into something then you don't belong in the NFL.

I don't want any of these other QBs. I'll pass on the rest.

Well, Garrett doesn't belong in the NFL, so there's that. I don't think Wade Wilson does, either.

 

[DandyDon52]

If you think Wentz, Lynch or Goff is a FRANCHISE QB, take them at 4. Otherwise wait. Lot of QB's in the draft. Hogan, Hackenberg, Brissett, Allen, Kessler, all QB's that should go in the 2nd round or later.

cowboys like wentz so it will probably be him regardless what you guys think.
he is big , smart, mobile,and can hit a mosquito at 40 yards, so not a bad choice.

 

[BAT]

i laugh when people say this team cant develop a QB but JG and Wilson have been with Romo all but one of the yrs he's started. Romo was a INT magnet but with 2012 disaster aside Romo has been good with the ball. In Romos first 3 yrs he threw 46 INTS and 21 fumbles 2 of them with Garrett and Wilson. IN the 7 yrs since he has 71 ints and 18 fumbles. 19 ints and 3 fumbles came in 2012. So 20% of that total since came in 1 yr. This coaching staff has developed one of the best QBs in this league.

Parcells, Payton, Lee and even Sporano were instrumental in Romo's development into an NFL QB. They sowed the field and planted the crop while Garrett/Wilson reaped the benefits.

And Romo is always improving himself each year. I have never heard Romo give Garrett Credit For His development. Lots of credit to Tuna, Lee and Payton though.

 

[LatinMind]

Parcells, Payton, Lee and even Sporano were instrumental in Romo's development into an NFL QB. They sowed the field and planted the crop while Garrett/Wilson reaped the benefits.

And Romo is always improving himself each year. I have never heard Romo give Garrett Credit For His development. Lots of credit to Tuna, Lee and Payton though.

Parcells didbt even want Romo on the team. He was going to be cut in 2004 but Carter turned out to be a crackhead. Thats documented by th way look it up.

Payton spent 2 yrs with Romo and i doubt spent much time with him because basically Romo was the 3rd and 4th QB on the team.

Sporano, really? lol

So you want to give credit to these 3 and non to Garrett and Wilson who have been with Romo his whole career. When the other 3 were with him for a couple? Garrett and wilson are more responsible than any coaches in Romo's development.