Why the massive dislike for Bosa?

[btcutter]

Prefer Lawson in a small trade down

You need a trading partner and get value. Much easier said then done. Would you pick Lawson at 4 if you get no offers for trade down then?

 

[btcutter]

yes he leads a weak draft of pass rushers and @ 4 we can do better with another player @ another position

Let say Tunsil, Ramsey and Wentz are gone like many projected. Who will you take then if you are STUCK at 4 with no takers for that pick. FO is unlikely taking Elliot so who do you take at #4. Jacks?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

yes he leads a weak draft of pass rushers and @ 4 we can do better with another player @ another position

Weak?

He's better than Fowler last year. Coples and Jordan's drafts come to mind. The year we drafted DLaw there were 3 edge prospects in the draft which is why we traded up for DLaw.

This year there is depth into the second round with Ogbah, Dodd, and Bullard to go along with Bosa, Spence, Buckner, and Lawson who are sure to go in the first.

I blame Brian Broaddus and the national good vs great narrative gone groupthink. I also blame the cottage industry that has to try and keep the process interesting.

There are better players in this draft than Bosa but not many. I think he is strong enough (28 reps) that he would manhandle mediocre RT like Moses and Pugh in the division. I want to see if Lane Johnson can block him.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Let say Tunsil, Ramsey and Wentz are gone like many projected. Who will you take then if you are STUCK at 4 with no takers for that pick. FO is unlikely taking Elliot so who do you take at #4. Jacks?

Goff.

 

[Alexander]

Goff.

Tiny hands. Skinny. Romo is going to play four more years, etc.

 

[Romotil45]

Jack is using his injury to make sure he slides down a bit. I think he's afraid Cleveland might not go the Qb route now that they have RG3 and take him he simply doesn't want to go to Cleveland. He is fine and will be a great player. For us though where does he play ? Does Lee switch back to Mike and he goes to Will ? Who plays Sam ? I'm ok with Jack or Bosa at 4 but I still say trade back if you can.

 

[Alexander]

Jack is using his injury to make sure he slides down a bit. I think he's afraid Cleveland might not go the Qb route now that they have RG3 and take him he simply doesn't want to go to Cleveland. He is fine and will be a great player. For us though where does he play ? Does Lee switch back to Mike and he goes to Will ? Who plays Sam ? I'm ok with Jack or Bosa at 4 but I still say trade back if you can.

I doubt his decisions are driven to make him slide in the draft. If anything, he is trying to preserve his film reputation and not have any workout numbers ruin that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Tiny hands. Skinny. Romo is going to play four more years, etc.

Pocket presence. Accuracy. TOSB.

 

[Alexander]

Pocket presence. Accuracy. TOSB.

Apparently you did not hear me. Small. Hands.

 

[starfrombirth]

I'm certainly not down on Bosa. I think his floor is a 5-8 sack a year guy and he could be a Watt like player very similar combine results build and frame. I'm going to say out loud what other are only thinking. Look at the best edge rushers historically in the modern game before Watt. Mostly black guys right. Also Watt is a one in a generation type player and Bosa is very very similar how likely is it that Bosa could be as good ? Unlikely but certainly possible. Due to this he is likely to fall if we don't take him at 4. We could trade back to 7 he might still be there. Don't think he would fall to 15 though.

No... they aren't they same. Watt put up those numbers 20 some pounds heavier.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/j.j.-watt?id=2495488

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/joey-bosa?id=2555249

 

[Alexander]

No... they aren't they same. Watt put up those numbers 20 some pounds heavier.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/j.j.-watt?id=2495488

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/joey-bosa?id=2555249

Bingo.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Apparently you did not hear me. Small. Hands.

They are growing before our eyes it seems.

 

[dogunwo]

One other thing about Bosa. He played on some extremely talented Ohio State teams, this past class in particular is just insane.

I know it sounds unfair to hold that against him, but there are plenty of examples where players from star-studded programs like that don't manage to find their fit in the NFL.

Bobby Carpenter is a good example of that.

 

[Alexander]

Bobby Carpenter is a good example of that.

That is the easy comparison of course. But loaded programs like Alabama have also illustrated that over time.

 

[waving monkey]

Weak?

He's better than Fowler last year. Coples and Jordan's drafts come to mind. The year we drafted DLaw there were 3 edge prospects in the draft which is why we traded up for DLaw.

This year there is depth into the second round with Ogbah, Dodd, and Bullard to go along with Bosa, Spence, Buckner, and Lawson who are sure to go in the first.

I blame Brian Broaddus and the national good vs great narrative gone groupthink. I also blame the cottage industry that has to try and keep the process interesting.

There are better players in this draft than Bosa but not many. I think he is strong enough (28 reps) that he would manhandle mediocre RT like Moses and Pugh in the division. I want to see if Lane Johnson can block him.

I read reports generated by the media and thats the take on the DE position.
The DTis strong but the rushers mainly pass gas.

 

[Rogerthat12]

If he is so good to which he required the attention of the opposing team to double and triple team him constantly that should free up his teammates to make plays. Doesn't that count as success. He still put up very good numbers despite being doubled and tripled teamed.

5 sacks are not good for a prospect at 4 regardless of the reason.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No... they aren't they same. Watt put up those numbers 20 some pounds heavier.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/j.j.-watt?id=2495488

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/joey-bosa?id=2555249

Watt was 22 when he came out too. Bosa has the best measurables of the class. He's in the top quarter of SPARQ's and the like even if he isn't Watt.

The way you guys carry on it would seem that Bosa is a below average athlete. That is clearly not the case. 3 cone and shuttle have the highest correlation to DE success and that is where he is best. No injuries, highly productive, athletic.

 

[Alexander]

I read reports generated by the media and thats the take on the DE position.
The DTis strong but the rushers mainly pass gas.

There is more than one way to generate a pass rush. The interior gets massive underrated by most people and they get all wrapped at looking at edge players. Even the best DEs are nothing until they learn how to generate an inside move. That is the best way to get to the QB.

 

[fishspill]

Watt was 22 when he came out too. Bosa has the best measurables of the class. He's in the top quarter of SPARQ's and the like even if he isn't Watt.

The way you guys carry on it would seem that Bosa is a below average athlete. That is clearly not the case. 3 cone and shuttle have the highest correlation to DE success and that is where he is best. No injuries, highly productive, athletic.

I honestly think I've taken crazy pills when I read all the disinterest in Bosa. If the team doesn't go QB at #4 I take him and it's not even a debate (not that this should impress anyone).

 

[Romotil45]

No... they aren't they same. Watt put up those numbers 20 some pounds heavier.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/j.j.-watt?id=2495488

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/joey-bosa?id=2555249

True Watt was 15-20 heavier but Bosa is younger than Watt was. They are basically the same player coming out. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Bosa is a lock to be a Watt 15-20 sack a year player that would be unlikely however no one though Watt was a 15-20 sack a year guy either coming or he would have gone in the top 5 not 11.