Ezekiel Elliott - An Overlooked Statistic...

[Hardline]

Except that he's a RB and we have the fourth pick in the 2016 NFL draft.

Failed logic.
Elite talent is elite talent no matter what the position is.
You will either believe me now or you will believe me later as I said in a different Elliott thread. You will either do one or the other. there is no other option available to you.I am damn glad you are not a scout for the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[CWR]

All those pining over Zeke better never have been those who hammered Jerry on liking shiny objects at the detriment to the Cowboys.

All those that hammer Jerry over liking shiny object are most likely hypocrites and also pretty damn inaccurate. When you draft offensive line in the first round 3 out of 4 years and are willing to trade down as Jerry is I think youve kind of proven there's more to your thought process than "shiny objects." Wether Jerry wanted Manziel or not we ended up with Martin and he had the power to ultimately take Manziel.

 

[CWR]

Failed logic.
Elite talent is elite talent no matter what the position is.
You will either believe me now or you will believe me later as I said in a different Elliott thread. You will either do one or the other. there is no other option available to you.I am damn glad you are not a scout for the Dallas Cowboys.

Yes hes a RUNNING BACK. A guy who touches the ball a measely 20x a game and is involved extensively in pass protection. It makes zero sense to have elite talent at such a position.

Which is why I drag race in my Ford Escort. It does the same thing as the Corvette. Come on man I still make it to the finish line every time!

 

[Alohawg1]

In 35 games at Ohio State, Ezekiel Elliott fumbled the football zero times.

Which means if Dallas drafts him he'll probably fumble like a drunk juggler on a water bed......That's a very impressive stat, no doubt, but I still like Chubb (Emmitt 2.0) better next year if at all doable.

 

[GroundZero1970]

Soooo everyone says EE is no AP right? Let's look at college numbers ( since EE hasn't played in the pros yet it fair to compare apples to apples).
Player 1 (from scrimmage)
772 total plays
4239 yards
5.5 avg
42 TDs

Player 2 (from scrimmage)
650 total plays
4410 yds
6.8 avg
44 TDs

Both players played 3 years....Player 2 has better stats. Less plays but more yds, better APC and more TDS.

Player 2 is Elliot. This is hard data so tell me again why EE is not in the same class as AP cuz I call bull. Our pick at 4 needs to be EE

 

[GroundZero1970]

Strictly rushing numbers AP had 156 more carries than EE yet only had 80 more rushing yds while EE had 1.3 yd better avg and 2 more TDS...

 

[Philmonroe]

Going after a rb at 4 is flash.

A guy who will score. Sell jerseys day 1. Be a fantasy football favorite is flash.

These online draft analyst I tell ya. Bet the majority of y'all wasn't on this no RB in the first junk just 10yrs ago. Now everybody is running backs in the first are nothing. Guess if AP was available we should bypass him too? If this guy helps us get a SB who cares if he was drafted fourth?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

In 35 games at Ohio State, Ezekiel Elliott fumbled the football zero times.

<----------->Man crush 4 Zeke

 

[Toruk_Makto]

These online draft analyst I tell ya. Bet the majority of y'all wasn't on this no RB in the first junk just 10yrs ago. Now everybody is running backs in the first are nothing. Guess if AP was available we should bypass him too? If this guy helps us get a SB who cares if he was drafted fourth?

You know...the world has changed a lot in a decade.

 

[RS12]

There is a lot to like but I dont see it at 4.

 

[Dhragon]

Going after a rb at 4 is flash.

A guy who will score. Sell jerseys day 1. Be a fantasy football favorite is flash.

You said Claiborne was flash? He doesn't score, would never be a fantasy football favorite, nor do DB jerseys usually sell a lot of jerseys - so how was he flash?

The guys who fit your criteria would pretty much need to be offensive skill position players. Maybe a great sack DE could be so maybe Ware could be flash but not Claiborne or Jones or most other defensive players we selected over the years in the first round. Again, with little results. We've tried the first round defender plenty of times, hardly ever really helping out the defense in any substantial way. I'm just a little tired of the waste personally. When a potential superstar in Zeke is there which will help out BOTH sides of the ball in substantial ways then get that guy - flash or not.

If he can sell a few jerseys as well, great for Jerry

 

[ConceptCoop]

Failed logic.
Elite talent is elite talent no matter what the position is.
You will either believe me now or you will believe me later as I said in a different Elliott thread. You will either do one or the other. there is no other option available to you.I am damn glad you are not a scout for the Dallas Cowboys.

There's an elite kicker in this draft too.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Soooo everyone says EE is no AP right? Let's look at college numbers ( since EE hasn't played in the pros yet it fair to compare apples to apples).
Player 1 (from scrimmage)
772 total plays
4239 yards
5.5 avg
42 TDs

Player 2 (from scrimmage)
650 total plays
4410 yds
6.8 avg
44 TDs

Both players played 3 years....Player 2 has better stats. Less plays but more yds, better APC and more TDS.

Player 2 is Elliot. This is hard data so tell me again why EE is not in the same class as AP cuz I call bull. Our pick at 4 needs to be EE

This is so silly. Using this logic, Melvin Gordon was a lot better prospect than both.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You said Claiborne was flash? He doesn't score, would never be a fantasy football favorite, nor do DB jerseys usually sell a lot of jerseys - so how was he flash?

The guys who fit your criteria would pretty much need to be offensive skill position players. Maybe a great sack DE could be so maybe Ware could be flash but not Claiborne or Jones or most other defensive players we selected over the years in the first round. Again, with little results. We've tried the first round defender plenty of times, hardly ever really helping out the defense in any substantial way. I'm just a little tired of the waste personally. When a potential superstar in Zeke is there which will help out BOTH sides of the ball in substantial ways then get that guy - flash or not.

If he can sell a few jerseys as well, great for Jerry

Big flashy trade up. For best defensive back in the draft.

It was the type of move people have killed Jerry for. Especially in this case because it didn't work.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Soooo everyone says EE is no AP right? Let's look at college numbers ( since EE hasn't played in the pros yet it fair to compare apples to apples).
Player 1 (from scrimmage)
772 total plays
4239 yards
5.5 avg
42 TDs

Player 2 (from scrimmage)
650 total plays
4410 yds
6.8 avg
44 TDs

Both players played 3 years....Player 2 has better stats. Less plays but more yds, better APC and more TDS.

Player 2 is Elliot. This is hard data so tell me again why EE is not in the same class as AP cuz I call bull. Our pick at 4 needs to be EE

Tim Tebow. One of the best prospects in decades by your analysis.

 

[GroundZero1970]

Not so on Tebow...Tebow had OBVIOUS throwing mechanics issues and Gordon had issues as well. What issues does Zeke have? Besides being a rumored but never proven partier. Bosa was suspended by Ohio state, it has also been said by experts that Ramsey is Byron Jones. I provided hard data that supports my argument what have you provided other than opinions and conjecture.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Not so on Tebow...Tebow had OBVIOUS throwing mechanics issues and Gordon had issues as well. What issues does Zeke have? Besides being a rumored but never proven partier. Bosa was suspended by Ohio state, it has also been said by experts that Ramsey is Byron Jones. I provided hard data that supports my argument what have you provided other than opinions and conjecture.

So stats only matter when they fit your narrative?

You want objective, hard data?

"At 3.11 years, running backs have the shortest careers in the league, and it’s not even close. "
http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/rasha...wice-as-long-as-the-average-nfl-running-back/

 

[ConceptCoop]

"Well, if we were to subscribe solely to an age-based hypothesis, it appears that a running back’s prime year is solely his age 20 season, and either 22 or 25 is their real drop-off in value. "

https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/4543/how-long-do-nfl-running-backs-careers-last

"RBs get hurt a lot. It's no wonder their careers tend to be the shortest of any position group, while OL stick around forever."

http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2010/7/7/1467728/which-nfl-position-groups-suffer

 

[GroundZero1970]

According to the NFLPA, the average career length of an NFL player is 3.3 years, where the NFL claims it's 6 years. Longevity is based on many variables. How long did Emmitt play, what about Dorsett, Bettis, Barry Sanders, E. James, Clinton Portis, Frank Gore, Marshall Faulk, Eric Dickerson.yada yada. Truth is longevity is a crap shoot but there are many cases of rbs lasting much longer than 3 years. We could draft Ramsey or Bosa and either could be permanently hurt in OTA'S so longevity is a variable than cannot be counted on much. By that criteria we should select Paxton Lynch at 4 given Romo's health concern and age. Point is the entire draft is a crap shoot and EE could be the next Dorsett or he may not but behind our line the former is more likely than Bosa being Watt or Ramsey being Charles Woodson. Risk versus reward

 

[ConceptCoop]

According to the NFLPA, the average career length of an NFL player is 3.3 years, where the NFL claims it's 6 years. Longevity is based on many variables. How long did Emmitt play, what about Dorsett, Bettis, Barry Sanders, E. James, Clinton Portis, Frank Gore, Marshall Faulk, Eric Dickerson.yada yada. Truth is longevity is a crap shoot but there are many cases of rbs lasting much longer than 3 years. We could draft Ramsey or Bosa and either could be permanently hurt in OTA'S so longevity is a variable than cannot be counted on much. By that criteria we should select Paxton Lynch at 4 given Romo's health concern and age. Point is the entire draft is a crap shoot and EE could be the next Dorsett or he may not but behind our line the former is more likely than Bosa being Watt or Ramsey being Charles Woodson. Risk versus reward

It's not a crapshoot. The trend is clear; RBs have a shorter shelf life and are hurt more often than other positions. Yes, there are outliers. But that doesn't discredit the data. There's a reason RBs get paid less than other positions; there's a reason RBs are drafted later than other positions. They take a beating and wear out sooner and are hurt more often because of that beating.